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Chinese Traditional Medicine, Linda Husband <linda_husband> wrote:

I wonder if you can tell me what is the TCM cause of clubbed fingers.

>

> Many thanks

> Linda

 

Here is alist of the ommon western causes of clubbing:

 

congenital heart disease (cyanotic type)

-tetralogy of Fallot

-tricuspid atresia

-transposition of the great vessels

-total anomalous venous return

-truncus arteriosus

-atrial myxoma; left

-atrial myxoma; right

cystic fibrosis

emphysema

tuberculosis

bronchiectasis

Crohn's disease

celiac disease

chronic active hepatitis

cirrhosis

lymphoma, Hodgkin's disease

 

I don't know, but from the list of western causes,

it would seem the TCM cause will be just as varied.

IE. heart qi deficency, lung qi deficency, phlegm obstructing channels.

But I have only seen this in an emphysema Px, even though I know it is

common with heart conditions.

 

Michael

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Hi Linda,

 

You might want to look at a book called Chinese Medical Palmistry

by Xiao-fan Zong & Gary Liscum

 

I could not find clubbed but, looking at the drawings, I think this would

correlate to " spoon shaped " . It says that it " is usually seen in large or

tall

 

dividuals....shows moderate health with a tendency for a quick temper.

Hypertension and diabetes are likely, esp. when thick, blue veins appear

on the dorsal metacarpal surface. "

 

.....or similarly but different " drumstick finger " ... " the finger tip gradually

increases

in size and thickness after the person has become ill. The digital root is

relatively

small. The palm is thinner and weaker. It is seen in primary heart disease,

circulatory problems due to heart disease, and in the late stage of pulmonary

TB.

Fingers this shape usually indicate chronic respiratory disease (TB), lung

cancer,

pulmonary abscess, pulmonary/heart disease, congenital heart disease, or

circulatory

system disease caused by heart disease. In TCM terms, this shape finger

indicates lung

qi depression and lockage or heart qi not reaching or extending "

 

Does this sound like it fits?

 

Kit

 

 

 

At 10:50 AM 10/22/02 -0700, you wrote:

>

> Hello,

> I'm a new member to this group --studying acupuncture

> in England.  I wonder if you can tell me what is the

> TCM cause of clubbed fingers.

>

> Many thanks

> Linda

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Thanks, Kit.

 

For those new to TCM, this illustrates just how carefully a TCM

healer will be observing you. Things that you may not recognize as

symptoms - like thick, blue veins - are recognized symptoms in TCM.

Throughout their history, the Chinese have been excellent observers.

 

Victoria

 

> You might want to look at a book called Chinese Medical Palmistry

> by Xiao-fan Zong & Gary Liscum

>

> I could not find clubbed but, looking at the drawings, I think this

would

> correlate to " spoon shaped " . It says that it " is usually seen in

large or

> tall

>

> dividuals....shows moderate health with a tendency for a quick

temper.

> Hypertension and diabetes are likely, esp. when thick, blue veins

appear

> on the dorsal metacarpal surface. "

>

> ....or similarly but different " drumstick finger " ... " the finger tip

gradually

> increases

> in size and thickness after the person has become ill. The digital

root is

> relatively

> small. The palm is thinner and weaker. It is seen in primary heart

disease,

> circulatory problems due to heart disease, and in the late stage of

pulmonary

> TB.

> Fingers this shape usually indicate chronic respiratory disease

(TB), lung

> cancer,

> pulmonary abscess, pulmonary/heart disease, congenital heart

disease, or

> circulatory

> system disease caused by heart disease. In TCM terms, this shape

finger

> indicates lung

> qi depression and lockage or heart qi not reaching or extending "

>

> Does this sound like it fits?

>

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Thanks, Michael. You've done quite a bit of research into possible

Western causes of clubbing.

 

Victoria

 

> Here is alist of the ommon western causes of clubbing:

>

> congenital heart disease (cyanotic type)

> -tetralogy of Fallot

> -tricuspid atresia

> -transposition of the great vessels

> -total anomalous venous return

> -truncus arteriosus

> -atrial myxoma; left

> -atrial myxoma; right

> cystic fibrosis

> emphysema

> tuberculosis

> bronchiectasis

> Crohn's disease

> celiac disease

> chronic active hepatitis

> cirrhosis

> lymphoma, Hodgkin's disease

>

> I don't know, but from the list of western causes,

> it would seem the TCM cause will be just as varied.

> IE. heart qi deficency, lung qi deficency, phlegm obstructing

channels.

> But I have only seen this in an emphysema Px, even though I know it

is

> common with heart conditions.

>

> Michael

> http://www.healthcentral.com/mhc/top/003282.cfm

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Dear Kit and Michael,

Thanks so much for your replies! The lady I am asking

about is a real puzzle in this regard to me--she has

spleen qi Xu with damp, spleen failing to raise qi,

and a pile of liver problems: liver blood xu, liver

yin xu, liver yang rising, and of course liver qi

stagnation. These are all built on a foundation (!)

of kidney xu.

 

I can see how all her other symptoms fit into those

patterns--she has regular periods 28 days apart but

bleeds heavily (changing her pad every two hours ) for

the first two days, she passes small clots and her

loss ranges from red to darkish red (the clots are

dark). She has breast lumps--and she suffers from

migraines too.

 

But just where the clubbed fingers fit in I cannot

tell--as far as I know she doesn't have a lung problem

and her pulse doesn't indicate one. And as far as I

know there is no heart disease--so your suggestions

that I look at that book is very helpful--as is the

list of possible western pathologies that might give

me a lead.

 

i really appreciate your time and trouble.

 

With kind regards

Linda

 

 

 

--- chinesemedicineman <chinesemedicineman

wrote:

> Chinese Traditional Medicine, Linda Husband

> <linda_husband> wrote:

> I wonder if you can tell me what is the TCM cause

> of clubbed fingers.

> >

> > Many thanks

> > Linda

>

> Here is alist of the ommon western causes of

> clubbing:

>

> congenital heart disease (cyanotic type)

> -tetralogy of Fallot

> -tricuspid atresia

> -transposition of the great vessels

> -total anomalous venous return

> -truncus arteriosus

> -atrial myxoma; left

> -atrial myxoma; right

> cystic fibrosis

> emphysema

> tuberculosis

> bronchiectasis

> Crohn's disease

> celiac disease

> chronic active hepatitis

> cirrhosis

> lymphoma, Hodgkin's disease

>

> I don't know, but from the list of western causes,

> it would seem the TCM cause will be just as varied.

>

> IE. heart qi deficency, lung qi deficency, phlegm

> obstructing channels.

> But I have only seen this in an emphysema Px, even

> though I know it is

> common with heart conditions.

>

> Michael

> http://www.healthcentral.com/mhc/top/003282.cfm

>

>

>

>

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