Guest guest Posted October 22, 2002 Report Share Posted October 22, 2002 Hello, I'm a new member to this group --studying acupuncture in England. I wonder if you can tell me what is the TCM cause of clubbed fingers. Many thanks Linda Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2002 Report Share Posted October 22, 2002 Chinese Traditional Medicine, Linda Husband <linda_husband> wrote: I wonder if you can tell me what is the TCM cause of clubbed fingers. > > Many thanks > Linda Here is alist of the ommon western causes of clubbing: congenital heart disease (cyanotic type) -tetralogy of Fallot -tricuspid atresia -transposition of the great vessels -total anomalous venous return -truncus arteriosus -atrial myxoma; left -atrial myxoma; right cystic fibrosis emphysema tuberculosis bronchiectasis Crohn's disease celiac disease chronic active hepatitis cirrhosis lymphoma, Hodgkin's disease I don't know, but from the list of western causes, it would seem the TCM cause will be just as varied. IE. heart qi deficency, lung qi deficency, phlegm obstructing channels. But I have only seen this in an emphysema Px, even though I know it is common with heart conditions. Michael http://www.healthcentral.com/mhc/top/003282.cfm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 Hi Linda, You might want to look at a book called Chinese Medical Palmistry by Xiao-fan Zong & Gary Liscum I could not find clubbed but, looking at the drawings, I think this would correlate to " spoon shaped " . It says that it " is usually seen in large or tall dividuals....shows moderate health with a tendency for a quick temper. Hypertension and diabetes are likely, esp. when thick, blue veins appear on the dorsal metacarpal surface. " .....or similarly but different " drumstick finger " ... " the finger tip gradually increases in size and thickness after the person has become ill. The digital root is relatively small. The palm is thinner and weaker. It is seen in primary heart disease, circulatory problems due to heart disease, and in the late stage of pulmonary TB. Fingers this shape usually indicate chronic respiratory disease (TB), lung cancer, pulmonary abscess, pulmonary/heart disease, congenital heart disease, or circulatory system disease caused by heart disease. In TCM terms, this shape finger indicates lung qi depression and lockage or heart qi not reaching or extending " Does this sound like it fits? Kit At 10:50 AM 10/22/02 -0700, you wrote: > > Hello, > I'm a new member to this group --studying acupuncture > in England. I wonder if you can tell me what is the > TCM cause of clubbed fingers. > > Many thanks > Linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 Thanks, Kit. For those new to TCM, this illustrates just how carefully a TCM healer will be observing you. Things that you may not recognize as symptoms - like thick, blue veins - are recognized symptoms in TCM. Throughout their history, the Chinese have been excellent observers. Victoria > You might want to look at a book called Chinese Medical Palmistry > by Xiao-fan Zong & Gary Liscum > > I could not find clubbed but, looking at the drawings, I think this would > correlate to " spoon shaped " . It says that it " is usually seen in large or > tall > > dividuals....shows moderate health with a tendency for a quick temper. > Hypertension and diabetes are likely, esp. when thick, blue veins appear > on the dorsal metacarpal surface. " > > ....or similarly but different " drumstick finger " ... " the finger tip gradually > increases > in size and thickness after the person has become ill. The digital root is > relatively > small. The palm is thinner and weaker. It is seen in primary heart disease, > circulatory problems due to heart disease, and in the late stage of pulmonary > TB. > Fingers this shape usually indicate chronic respiratory disease (TB), lung > cancer, > pulmonary abscess, pulmonary/heart disease, congenital heart disease, or > circulatory > system disease caused by heart disease. In TCM terms, this shape finger > indicates lung > qi depression and lockage or heart qi not reaching or extending " > > Does this sound like it fits? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 Thanks, Michael. You've done quite a bit of research into possible Western causes of clubbing. Victoria > Here is alist of the ommon western causes of clubbing: > > congenital heart disease (cyanotic type) > -tetralogy of Fallot > -tricuspid atresia > -transposition of the great vessels > -total anomalous venous return > -truncus arteriosus > -atrial myxoma; left > -atrial myxoma; right > cystic fibrosis > emphysema > tuberculosis > bronchiectasis > Crohn's disease > celiac disease > chronic active hepatitis > cirrhosis > lymphoma, Hodgkin's disease > > I don't know, but from the list of western causes, > it would seem the TCM cause will be just as varied. > IE. heart qi deficency, lung qi deficency, phlegm obstructing channels. > But I have only seen this in an emphysema Px, even though I know it is > common with heart conditions. > > Michael > http://www.healthcentral.com/mhc/top/003282.cfm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 Dear Kit and Michael, Thanks so much for your replies! The lady I am asking about is a real puzzle in this regard to me--she has spleen qi Xu with damp, spleen failing to raise qi, and a pile of liver problems: liver blood xu, liver yin xu, liver yang rising, and of course liver qi stagnation. These are all built on a foundation (!) of kidney xu. I can see how all her other symptoms fit into those patterns--she has regular periods 28 days apart but bleeds heavily (changing her pad every two hours ) for the first two days, she passes small clots and her loss ranges from red to darkish red (the clots are dark). She has breast lumps--and she suffers from migraines too. But just where the clubbed fingers fit in I cannot tell--as far as I know she doesn't have a lung problem and her pulse doesn't indicate one. And as far as I know there is no heart disease--so your suggestions that I look at that book is very helpful--as is the list of possible western pathologies that might give me a lead. i really appreciate your time and trouble. With kind regards Linda --- chinesemedicineman <chinesemedicineman wrote: > Chinese Traditional Medicine, Linda Husband > <linda_husband> wrote: > I wonder if you can tell me what is the TCM cause > of clubbed fingers. > > > > Many thanks > > Linda > > Here is alist of the ommon western causes of > clubbing: > > congenital heart disease (cyanotic type) > -tetralogy of Fallot > -tricuspid atresia > -transposition of the great vessels > -total anomalous venous return > -truncus arteriosus > -atrial myxoma; left > -atrial myxoma; right > cystic fibrosis > emphysema > tuberculosis > bronchiectasis > Crohn's disease > celiac disease > chronic active hepatitis > cirrhosis > lymphoma, Hodgkin's disease > > I don't know, but from the list of western causes, > it would seem the TCM cause will be just as varied. > > IE. heart qi deficency, lung qi deficency, phlegm > obstructing channels. > But I have only seen this in an emphysema Px, even > though I know it is > common with heart conditions. > > Michael > http://www.healthcentral.com/mhc/top/003282.cfm > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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