OT Mining Heavy Metals (was Question about Zhu Sha/Cinnabar and mercury)

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Chinese Traditional Medicine, Kit <kitcurtin@e...> wrote:

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> > " toxicity " is almost always an

> > " issue of " too much "

> >certain level of mercury which must be present in the

> >body,

>

> Hi Hugo,

> Maybe, at this point in time, consideration is with the

> miners that are exposed to dangerous levels ( " too much " ) to

> supply a demand. ....remove the demand.... provide safety for

> this number of human beings.....

>

> Kit

 

Well, heavy metals are used in many, many industrial applications

besides Chinese medicine. The miners would continue to mine one way

or another. Besides, on the same hand, it is the miners' livelyhood.

Many would not appreciate it if it was taken away.

 

Mbanu

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> Tue, 22 Oct 2002 17:48:17 -0500

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> Kit

> Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] OT Mining Heavy Metals (was Re: Question about

> Zhu Sha/Cinnabar and mercury)

>

> >miners' livelyhood.

> >Many would not appreciate it if it was taken away.

>

> Hi Mbanu,

> It seems the topic changed from mercury to heavy metals.

> I will return it to the original topic of mercury.

> Mercury is a banned substance and no longer mined in the US.

> All end products containing mercury have a limited ppm.

>

> I realize about the above statement. I thought about including it

> myself but don't buy into the inflexibility and unresourcefulness

> of human beings.  People will do whatever it takes...unless they

> have very limited vision....which, of course, many do.  

> Not that it is not a hardship.  

> I knew for certain that somebody would be bring it up.

> Kit

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> At 05:07 PM 10/22/02 +0000, you wrote:

>>

>> Chinese Traditional Medicine, Kit <kitcurtin@e...> wrote:

>> >

>> > > " toxicity " is almost always an

>> > > " issue of " too much "

>> > >certain level of mercury which must be present in the

>> > >body,

>> >

>> > Hi Hugo,

>> > Maybe, at this point in time, consideration is with the

>> > miners that are exposed to dangerous levels ( " too much " ) to

>> > supply a demand.   ....remove the demand.... provide safety for

>> > this number of human beings.....

>> >

>> > Kit

>>

>> Well, heavy metals are used in many, many industrial applications

>> besides Chinese medicine. The miners would continue to mine one way

>> or another. Besides, on the same hand, it is the miners' livelyhood.

>> Many would not appreciate it if it was taken away.

>>

>> Mbanu

>

>

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This is very on-topic. Mercury and heavy metals do destroy health.

There are important concerns about the toxicity and wisdom of use of

some substances listed in the Chinese Material Medica. Some shipments

of herbs from China (and other countries) are contaminated with toxic

substances. This is not limited to heavy metals but also includes

various insecticides as well as fungicides as well as prescrpition

drugs!

 

Concerns about miners' health also are on topic. While it's true that

some of the very people being hurt the most will fight against the

loss of their jobs, can one in good conscience participate in

creating a demand for a toxic substance? There are no easy answers

that fit all cases. But just because there are no easy or black and

white answers that fit all situations, this is no excuse for not

grappling with the issue and trying to do the right, the best thing.

 

Ethical, morality, and spiritual concerns are very much a part of

healing. Not only of clients, but of healers themselves. When people

participate in things that go against what they believe or even know

deep down inside to be right, the effects on their health and lives

can be devastating. I interviewed quite a few people like this when I

interviewed staff and former staff of an abusive for-profit

psychiatric hospital. So many of them reported that the longer they

stayed on the job, the worse their lives and in some cases health

became. Fights with spouses and children kept increasing, so did

insomnia, so did headaches and other problems, etc. They didn't like

themselves very much because of some of the things they were

participating in or standing by and watching done to others. Just as

soon as the former staff quit or got fired, their personal lives and

health started to improve. When they came forward to blow the

whistle, that's when many of them were able to start liking

themselves again.

 

The money and jobs issues were raised in regard to this facility.

Joyce Simo, who started the support group, got quite a few nasty

phone calls accusing her of single-handedly taking away people's

livelihoods and wrecking the economy of Sierra Vista. It was pointed

out over and over and over how much money the hospital pumped into

the local economy. That was a joke. As it turned out, after a few

years of being in operation, few if any local merchants would extend

credit to the facility because of the difficulty of getting paid. As

for the jobs the place supposedly was providing, the facility was

chronically short-staffed and claimed staff it did not have. In the

final days of the facility, the owner canceled insurance on employees

without telling them. They found out about only when they or a

family member went to the doctor and were told they had no

insurance. By this time, the only employees left were those we

called " the fanatical inner circle " . These were the employees that

stayed with the hospital even after the death of the 13-year-old girl

whose complaints of not being able to breathe were ignored for over

an hour before she died. The death of that child was the watershed

for many employees who could no longer look the other way or

participate in what was going on. Quite a few quit. They were the

fortunate ones because right after this was when the insurance of the

reamaining employees was canceled. This is also when the owner

stopped paying the remaining employees their full salaries. They

would work two weeks (80 or more hours) and only get paid for part of

those hours. Half if they were lucky. The owner kept promising them

that if they just stayed with him, eventually they would get paid.

The last I heard they never got their money.

 

No one is owed a job or business that hurts others.

 

Sometimes moral, ethical, and spiritual issues will come up in a

healing. For example, some cases (not all by any means) will have a

component of guilt. That guilt will have to be worked with and

resolved if the person is ever to heal. Sometimes this means asking

forgiveness and making restitution. Sometimes this means recognizing

that the guilt is undeserved.

 

Sometimes the spiritual component will be that the person is not

being true to him/herself. The classic example is someone slaving

away in a job s/he is unsuited for because the pay is good or at

least adequate. The core person is withering away on the inside

because it is not being expressed.

 

Sometimes a person literally will die rather than face some very

painful and scary realizations.

 

Victoria

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine, Kit <kitcurtin@e...> wrote:

> sorry list....I sent this privately, but Mbanu's ISP was unable to

deliver

> it......