Guest guest Posted October 13, 2002 Report Share Posted October 13, 2002 I decided to forward this to the list because of a recent discussion about illnesses labeled as " stress " or " psychological " when they are not. This includes but is not limited to Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome, Gulf War Syndrome, and Multiple Chemical Sensitivity. I personally have had two close relatives who had their cancer misdiagnosed as " nerves " and " depression " , thus delaying proper treatment. They both died. In addition, I have known various people who have had the " all in their heads " diagnosis when the problem was a physical medical problem. In each case, proper treatment was delayed. TCM does not make a distinction between body-mind-emotions-spirit. It is understood that this is a holistic package, and illnesses which are primarily physical by Western definitions will have emotional, mental, and spiritual components. Likewise, condtions which are psychological or psychiatric by Western definitions will have physical components. To put this another way, I have never known a person who was severly mentally ill who also did not have some severe physical problems. In TCM terms, the same Root which is giving rise to the severe psychological problems also are giving rise to some severe physical problems. It's a holistic package. Unfortunately, in the U.S., " it's psychological " has become the easy and quick diagnosis for doctors who are too busy, too lazy, too incompetent, or too greedy to use their training to figure out what the real problem is. This by no means is all American doctors, but it is far too many. Aiding and abetting this sorry state of affairs are certain insurance companies which have campaigned to deliberately have certain conditions declared " psychological " because most disability policies have a clause that the company only has to pay for two years if the condition is psychological. The pharmaceutical companies also bear responsibility for this situation as psycho-active drugs are big money makers. The American Psychiatric Association which receives money from the pharmaceutical industry and which stands to in terms of money and power also benefits from having as many conditions as possible labeled as " psychiatric " . This is not to say that all psychologists or psychiatrists go along with this. I know several cases where both psychologists and psychiatrists have told regular doctors repeatedly that a patient's problems are not mental or emotional only to have the attending physician still insist that the patient's problems are psychological or psychiatric! This forwarded post is from Jim Mooney who runs the insurancejustice website. It concerns a piece called " Promises, Promises " which NBC Dateline may or may not run tonight. I have edited the email in order to remove non-pertinent information. Dr. Judy Morris was a Massachusettes emergency room doctor until she was stricken with CFIDS. She thought she was protected. She had disability insurance. Surprise! Victoria *************************** (name deleted), who is reliable, says she called the producer, who says the DATELINE story about " America's biggest disability insurer " is a go. It is called " Promises, Promises " and will air tomorrow evening at 7:00 PM EDT and 6:00 PM CDT. Now they didn't name the insurer, but there is only one that is the biggest. I've been getting static from some folks who say it's not on NBC's website. It was in their email announcement, but it disappeared from the website. They often do that with the shortest segment, but we'll take what we can get. Here is (name deleted)'s note: ========================================================== (name deleted) Hi Jim, Not too worry. I called Dateline and spoke to the Producer of the show. She informed me that Promises, Promises will air tomorrow evening at 7:00 PM EDT and 6:00 PM CDT. So let everyone know that the show is a go. <smile> ========================================================== So this is kinda in the bag and you should watch. I say " kinda " because I've dealt with journalists for five years and I don't bet my life on them until I see it in print or on the tube. If it doesn't turn up it has been delayed or pulled due to legal wrangling from an army of insurance company lawyers - which I've seen happen before. (snip) Yours, Jim Mooney, webmaster www.corporatecrimefighters.com (for Dr. Judy Morris) www.insurancejustice.com _____________ Judydoc mailing list Judydoc http://corporatecrimefighters.com/mailman/listinfo/judydoc_corporatecr imefighters.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2002 Report Share Posted October 13, 2002 >Unfortunately, in the U.S., " it's psychological " has become the easy >and quick diagnosis for doctors who are too busy, too lazy, too >incompetent, or too greedy to use their training to figure out what >the real problem is. This by no means is all American doctors, but >it is far too many. >Aiding and abetting this sorry state of affairs are certain insurance >companies which have campaigned to deliberately have certain >conditions declared " psychological " because most disability policies >have a clause that the company only has to pay for two years if the >condition is psychological. The pharmaceutical companies also bear >responsibility for this situation as psycho-active drugs are big Hi Victoria, I'd guess that most on this list recognize the evils of the AMA/pharmaceutical machine. I, too, have a condition that many don't recognize and has for so long been considered " psychological " . I was dx'd with FMS/CFS this past January....although it looks like I have had it for 15-20 years. I actually was the first to dx it and then had it verified. I, mostly, have not had health insurance for the past 30 years. This is because I, mostly, have not believed in the medical community for that long (longer since my mother was an RN and, mostly, didn't like doctors.) I have handled most of my problems alternatively and out-of-pocket. Gladly, this leaves me free-and-clear of the AMA...and more willing to do what it took to stay healthy since I was the payee, not insurance. But, I digress.... One thing I can say is that stress plays a big part in this syndrome as does, I believe, other psychological issues. I, recently, purchased a book by Sunny Cooper, " Fibromayalgia and Chronic Fatigue: Acutherapy and Holistic Approaches " . I'm only halfway thru the preface (school, work & life, ya know). But I thought that she made a very interesting observation. She began by saying that, historically, there have been health issues in different eras that brought about societal changes. Such as diseases that brought about sanitation, later, vaccines and still later antibiotics and " miracle drugs " . Then she goes on to speak of a " new echelon of functional diseases " , such as FMS/CFS, chronic pain syndromes, and autoimmune diseases. And, what can we " personally and collectively " learn from these new 'diseases'? Her answer was (and most on the list proabably recognize this, too) " personal responsibility " . This is in regards to " our behaviors, our lifestyle choices, our emotional responses, our spiritual practices, and the ways we take care of our physical bodies. " While this may be true of many conditions...... FMS and CFS " are exquisite examples of disharmonies in which the client is the key determinant of improvement. There is no single approach or therapy or practice which reverses these disharmonies. Nobobdy can " fix " a person who has these disharmonies, or take away their illness. Each person must develop his or her own healing path. These two syndromes challenge the person to re-evaluate lifestyle choices, relationships belief system, and self-concept. Illness is an invitation to transformation; those who accept the invitation and show up for the party tend to do very well in their recovery, and this often leads to personal evolution of a kind they never would have achieved without the challenge of chronic pain and fatigue. " BTW/abit OT: We have some great " STOP " sign philophers in my town....people that paint or post sickers below the word " STOP " . I saw a good sticker (maybe sad, too) that read STOP " Our National Health Care Plan....Stay Healthy " ....! ;-P Kit PS. Personally speaking, I prefer CFS to CFIDS....seems that too many people confuse it with an autoimmune disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2002 Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 > One thing I can say is that stress plays a big part in this syndrome as > does, I > believe, > other psychological issues. Stress can play a big part in the condition, but not always. Very often, PWCs tell themselves that if they just didn't have that 7:30 am class, just didn't have that carpool, just didn't have that Tuesday night meeting, etc., they would be fine. They're just a little overworked and tired. What generally happens is that as the person gets sicker and drops more and more of those " stressful " things s/he didn't like doing anyway, and one day the person is left with the realization that s/he can't do the things s/he loves, and s/he is really sick. This can be a very traumatic moment of truth for the individual. A watershed moment. If the person had any ideas that this is just psychological or stress, they are stripped away in that awful moment of realizing s/he can't do the things she loves to do and is really sick. Do I recommend meditation, relaxation exercises, and visualization for PWCs? Definitely. Because these are taking stress off the individual and aiding in healing. But I also recognize that many PWCs find it hard to relax and meditate. Very often PWCs are Yin Deficient, and this can make it much harder if not impossible until the Yin Deficiency is brought under some control. Also it's often easier to learn to meditate when one is in relative remission or well than when one is sick. I also recommend getting plenty of rest (again, difficult if the PWC is Yin Deficient), and following a very good diet (again, difficult because many PWCs also have Spleen weakness plus being too fatigued to cook proper meals. > Her answer was (and most on the list proabably recognize this, too) " personal > responsibility " . The prognosis for anyone suffering with any medical condition is always better for the person who learns all s/he can, asks questions, is assertive, and takes personal responsibility than for a person who passively waits for a healer to wave a magic wand. But, the flip side of this is that the prognosis also is better when one recognizes that one does not always have total responsibility. For example, the reason white bread is partially enriched today is because recruits at the beginning of WWII were too malnourished to pass the physical induction test. Were these recruits responsible back in the days when white bread was not even partially enriched with some of the nutrition refined out of it? And what about disabled or older people having to make choices between paying the rent or eating adequately? Sometimes personal responsibility also means demanding that others take responsibility when appropriate. > illness. Each person > must develop his or her own healing path. These two syndromes challenge the > person to re-evaluate > lifestyle choices, relationships belief system, and self-concept. Illness is > an invitation to transformation; > those who accept the invitation and show up for the party tend to do very well > in their recovery, and this often > leads to personal evolution of a kind they never would have achieved without > the challenge of chronic pain > and fatigue. " Very often you will find that PWCs who have been sick longer than 10 years are extremely strong people on the inside. They had to become stronger on the inside in order to survive. This includes learning to make better choices, learning to say " no " , learning what's important and what's not important, etc. I remember one PWC joking, " Keep up with the Joneses? I can't even keep up with the Simpsons. " (For those from other countries, " keeping up with the Joneses " is a way of describing a person running him/herself ragged in order to accumulate just as many material possessions as his/her neighbors have. The Simpsons is an animated cartoon about a dysfunctional family. I believe it's seen in several countries.) Yep, any chronic, debilitating health condition can have a way of teaching one what's important and what's not, if one is willing to learn. This is not to say that I don't have moments when I would trade all that inner strength for the strength and endurance to go out and make a lot of money.<G> Or even party hardy. Like a night out dancing. (This doesn't mean that just because I can't do this, some other PWC can't one day get to the point where s/he can - in moderation - like resting a lot between dances. The sooner CFIDS/CFS is diagnosed and the sooner proper treatment is begun, the better the chances for a full or at least near-full recovery. (The PWC will always have to be careful about getting enough rest, following a good diet, maybe remaining on supplements, etc.) > PS. Personally speaking, I prefer CFS to CFIDS....seems that too many people > confuse it with an > autoimmune disease. There are immune system irregularities in CFIDS/CFS, including (but not always) autoimmune problems. Chief among these are problems with the herpes family of viruses, part of the immune system being deficient and part being in over-drive, and deficiencies in both helper and suppressor T-cells but with suppressor cells being even lower than helper T-cells. (The only other conditions in which this higher helper to suppressor cells ratio is seen is certain lymphomas. Helper cells turn the immune response on; suppressor cells turn it off. (Simplified explanation.) If the immune system is not being turned off, this can be a factor in allergies. These immune system problems is why Gach in Acupressure's Potent Points recommends Triple Heater 5 and Pericardium 6 (helps to balance the immune system) in his chapter on Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. That chapter helped me a lot. Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2002 Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 After having seen it several times and not knowing what it means, I am finally going to ask. What does O.T. stand for? Thank You, Bryon victoria_dragon [sMTP:victoria_dragon] Sunday, October 13, 2002 4:14 AM Chinese Traditional Medicine [Chinese Traditional Medicine] O.T. Psycholgical? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2002 Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 > What does O.T. stand for? Off topic. So readers who just want the TCM posts know to skip it. Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 If the person had any ideas that this is just psychological or stress, they are stripped away in that awful moment of realizing s/he can't do the things she loves to do and is really sick. Hi Victoria, I think I might have been misread. I never said that is was just psychological. > > What generally happens is that as the > person gets sicker and drops more and more of those " stressful " > things s/he didn't like doing anyway, and one day the person is left > with the realization that s/he can't do the things s/he loves, and > s/he is really sick. This can be a very traumatic moment of truth > for the individual. A watershed moment. If the person had any ideas > > I believe this is where the re-evaluation, transformation, and self-concept > come into play. > > > But I also recognize that many > PWCs find it hard to relax and meditate. > I also recommend getting plenty of rest... > ....following a very good diet.... > > ...more of the same, plus lifestyle changes and taking care of the physical > body. > > But, the flip > side of this is that the prognosis also is better when one recognizes > that one does not always have total responsibility. > > Yes, of course,...again, I did not say total responsibility just personal > responsibility. One should only try to change oneself not the > world around them....goodness w/CFS that's hard enough in itself. > > The prognosis for anyone suffering with any medical condition is > always better for the person who learns all s/he can, asks questions, > is assertive, and takes personal responsibility than for a person who > passively waits for a healer to wave a magic wand. > > Yes, I acknowledged that the list would, surely, already know about this. > > The sooner CFIDS/CFS is diagnosed and > the sooner proper treatment is begun, the better the chances for a > full or at least near-full recovery. (The PWC will always have to be > careful about getting enough rest, following a good diet, maybe > remaining on supplements, etc.) > > Boy, I do know this one!! I certainly wish mine had come to my knowledge > 15 yrs previous. When, I'm feeling particularly whiney, I do 'boo-hoo' > over 'lost years'. Dangerous, tho, to do it for very long or take it > very seriously! > > > There are immune system irregularities in CFIDS/CFS, > > Yup, I know about immune issues & the other 'satellite' problems that go > with the syndrome incl. autoimmune like, say, Crohn's. > I was merely saying what I prefer because I am surprised > at the number of people who think that it is an autoimmune > syndrome. I'll resort to my analogy from long ago..... > all Catholics are Christians, not all Christians are > Catholics. I think that few FMS/CFS px have autoimmune issues... > > I don't see that we are in disagreement only reiterating the same in > different words. ... or translating. > > Take care, > Kit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 > I think I might have been misread. I never said that is was just > psychological. I posted for for others reading here. Some of the healers on here are going to be treating PWCs or already are. And some have been convinced that it is psychological. I am very concerned about that because the worst major flare-up I ever had came about because nobody could tell me what what wrong with me so I figured maybe it was psychological, so I decided to ignore how I was feeling and push on regardless. Hey! It works for others. I ended up the sickest I have ever been with this. Crawling to the bathroom at night, couldn't use a computer and eventually couln't read or write, felt like I was dying and probably was. Existing allergies got much worse, and I quickly was developing new ones. Everything I ate bothered my breathing. I reacted to just about every medication I was on, especially antihistamines, and with those worsening allergies, that was a major problem. PWCs may or may not be depressed. There's that viral thing, and there's also having to deal with being so sick. But, knowing how many PWCs are - self included - if it's not stressed that this is physical and physical steps need to be taken in addition to others, many PWCs are going to ignore symptoms like I did and end up sicker. CFIDS is NOT depression, though depression may be present in some PWCs some of the time. Because it is not depression, healers are dealing with clients who very much want to do things. When they finally do get enough energy to do something, many tend to overdo. Trying to make-up for lost time. Also, sometimes trying to deny to themselves that they are as sick as they are. I did such and such. I can't possibly be really sick. But the person is. CFIDS can be very cruel in that it doesn't rob people of the desire to do things (unless they are extremely sick); only the physical and cognitive means to do things. Also there has been a particular problem in Great Britain with young PWCs being taken away from their parents, sent to psychiatric hospitals, and forced to exercise. They are getting sicker as a result. Many are walking into the hospital under their own power, but having to leave in wheelchairs. One of the hallmarks of CFIDS is that aerobic exercise or over-doing does make it worse. From a TCM standpoint, one of the problems that PWCs have is they are Qi Deficient with weak Spleens. Over-doing - be it physical or mental work - can harm the Spleen, weakening it further. The more the person over-does, the weaker the Spleen gets and the more Qi Deficient the person becomes. BTW, the British psychiatrist who is responsible for pushing exercise as the treatment for CFS is the same psychiatrist who several years ago was given a large grant by the U.S. Pentagon to " prove " that Gulf War Syndrome was just stress. Something people who are researching the medical literature on CFS need to be aware of is that even though Great Britain signed an international agreement to use the CDC (U.S. Centers for Disease Control) criteria for CFS research, this psychiatrist does not use the CDC criteria. Instead, he came up with his own criteria and put the CFS label on them. This creates a lot of confusion. His criteria are so board as to include just about anyone who has ever been fatigued. > > What generally happens is that as the > > person gets sicker and drops more and more of those " stressful " > > things s/he didn't like doing anyway, and one day the person is left > > with the realization that s/he can't do the things s/he loves, and > > s/he is really sick. This can be a very traumatic moment of truth > > for the individual. A watershed moment. If the person had any ideas This can be a real difficult time. Sometimes, if a healer will just say, " Oh. This happens in CFIDS/ CFS. It will pass, " this can be soothing to some PWCs. Just to know that others have gone through it, and it's " normal " for CFIDS. BTW, the truer the person can be to his or her self, the better the person is going to cope. By inclination and training, I am an engineer. See the problem, analyze the problem, solve the problem. (Or at least make the situation better.) Except when I was the sickest, I didn't stop being an engineer. The inclination and training got switched over analyzing and solving my health problems. I love to garden, so when I got well enough to do some limited gardening, I was very happy. I have to rest a lot even today, but I'm still getting to do something I love to do. As a general rule, people in the healcare professions tend to have an advantage in dealing with CFIDS. Except when they are the sickest, they don't stop being healers. I frequently have told PWCs who are healthcare professionals that for a while their job is going to be medical research on themselves. And they do tend to come up with things that not only help themselves but others. One PWC I knew was a businessman who belonged to service organizations and civic clubs. When he got well enough, he still gave speeches, but now they are about CFIDS. The truer one can be to one's self, the better. CFIDS does not have to rob anyone of having quality of life. It won't be the life that any of us planned for, but it can be very satisfying nevertheless. If the person can get enough help. This includes disability if the person needs it. > > I believe this is where the re-evaluation, transformation, and self-concept > > come into play. Yep. > > ...more of the same, plus lifestyle changes and taking care of the physical > > body. Wish I had known about the lifestyle changes way back when. The triggers for CFIDS for me was gall bladder surgery followed by coming down with mono-induced hepatitis. But the fact that I also was going to school and working played a role. Eventually I was able to go into partial remission. So what did I do. I went back to school and work, though at least that time I wasn't working full-time. Eventually I had major flare-up #2. This time I was sicker than before, and it took a lot more to get me into partial remission. And I never fully regained what was lost with each major flare-up until I discovered TCM. Wish I had known about TCM back then. > > Yes, of course,...again, I did not say total responsibility just personal > > responsibility. One should only try to change oneself not the > > world around them....goodness w/CFS that's hard enough in itself. Sometimes insisting on and working for change in the outer world is the healthiest thing a person can do. >> > Boy, I do know this one!! I certainly wish mine had come to my knowledge > > 15 yrs previous. When, I'm feeling particularly whiney, I do 'boo-hoo' > > over 'lost years'. Dangerous, tho, to do it for very long or take it > > very seriously! I have a teddy bear that I take to bed with me when I'm feeling particularly bad physically and emotionally. It definitely helps. It's soothing. Sometimes I have a good cry. Sometimes I punch a pillow. Then I'm fine. > > I was merely saying what I prefer because I am surprised > > at the number of people who think that it is an autoimmune > > syndrome. I'm always delighted and shocked when someone realizes it's not psychological. <G> But seriously, my personal preference is CFIDS because CFS makes it sound like we're just a little bit tired. Sort of like calling diabetes " Chronic Urinating Syndrome " or pneumonia " Chronic Coughing Syndrome. Descriptive of only one symptom and doesn't begin to convey how serious the condition is. > > I don't see that we are in disagreement only reiterating the same in > > different words. ... or translating. I'm going into detail for readers who aren't familiar with CFIDS/CFS. BTW, if a healer can treat CFIDS/CFS, s/he becomes more proficient at treating other things as well. There are literally dozens of symptoms that can manifest in CFIDS. For example, hypoglycemia, glandular problems Mitral Valve Prolapse, blood pressure problems, digestive problems, allergies, arthritic pains,and headaches to name just a few. Sometimes it's important to know what to concentrate on first. The most pressing problems often are digestive problems and allergies. If the person can't take the herbs (and/or supplements) or the digestive system is not absorbing, the person can't get what s/he needs to heal as easily as a person whose digestive system isn't as messed up or whose allergies aren't so severe. Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 Hi Victoria, This is obviously a very sensitive and loaded issue for you. I have not had the same misfortune. I am way too obstinate to believe someone when they tell me something is all in my head yet I am feeling physical symptoms. Anyway, since you were using the words in my post, I took it as an anwer to me, obviously since posted, for the benefit of others. I don't have anything more to say, so you can make your point without the interference of my experiences. All the best and I hope you feel better soon, Kit At 04:47 AM 10/15/02 +0000, you wrote: > > > I think I might have been misread. I never said that is was just > > psychological. > > I posted for for others reading here. Some of the healers on here are > going to be treating PWCs or already are. And some have been > convinced that it is psychological. I am very concerned about that > b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 I came in late on this discussion, so forgive me if I misunderstand the issues, but what struck me is the references to "it's psychological". What paradigm are we using that would have "psychological" be any less important or different or separate from the physical in ANY disease? I am concerned that even with alternative healing such as TCM that people are still being trapped by old ideas that say something which is psychological should be dismissed as somehow not being real or valid. As healers, are we according less credibility to people sufferering with real pain who cannot "prove" a physical cause by lab tests or imaging? Why? Do they suffer less? Are they only imagining that they suffer? My personal thinking is that all disease states very probably involve the mental, spiritual, emotional and physical elements and that the lines between each are quite fuzzy indeed, if even a line exists at all. Pain or discomfort is a message that something in the person's life is wrong. For true healing to occur on all levels, it would be prudent for the person to investigate all possibilities and not dismiss any "cause" as unworthy of attention. IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 What paradigm are we using ..... Hi IYHO, ....the current western med one, where symptoms are dismissed or ignored as imaginery due to them being " all in one's head " or " just psychological " . I believe, the rest of what you say is right on.....thus, my previous posts. Kit At 10:36 AM 10/15/02 -0700, you wrote: > > I came in late on this discussion, so forgive me if I misunderstand the > issues, but what struck me is the references to " it's psychological " . What > paradigm are we using that would have " psychological " be any less important > or different or separate from the physical in ANY disease? I am concerned > that even with alternative healing such as TCM that people are still being > trapped by old ideas that say something which is psychological should be > dismissed as somehow not being real or valid. As healers, are we according > less credibility to people sufferering with real pain who cannot " prove " a > physical cause by lab tests or imaging? Why? Do they suffer less? Are they > only imagining that they suffer? My personal thinking is that all disease > states very probably involve the mental, spiritual, emotional and physical > elements and that the lines between each are quite fuzzy indeed, if even a > line exists at all. Pain or discomfort is a message that something in the > person's life is wrong. For true healing to occur on all levels, it would be > prudent for the person to investigate all possibilities and not dismiss any > " cause " as unworthy of attention. IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 > I came in late on this discussion, so forgive me if I misunderstand the issues, but what struck me is the references to " it's psychological " . What paradigm are we using that would have " psychological " be any less important or different or separate from the physical in ANY disease? U.S. Instead of ordering the needed tests (which would cut into HMO profits) or taking the time to ask questions and analyze (cuts into doctor's profits), many (not all doctors)in the U.S. will diagnose anything and everything as " psychological " and fob the patient off with either psycholactive drugs or a referral to a psychiatrist. Often, these patients are suffering from serious medical conditions like cancer and are not receiving appropriate treatment. I'll forward you a book review I did a few years ago on the book Making Us Crazy which goes into this problem in detail and why it has arisen in the U.S. >I am concerned that even with alternative healing such as TCM that people are still being trapped by old ideas that say something which is psychological should be dismissed as somehow not being real or valid. As healers, are we according less credibility to people sufferering with real pain who cannot " prove " a physical cause by lab tests or imaging? Why? Do they suffer less? Are they only imagining that they suffer? My personal thinking is that all disease states very probably involve the mental, spiritual, emotional and physical elements and that the lines between each are quite fuzzy indeed, if even a line exists at all. Actually, this is the TCM viewpoint. It's understood in TCM that all imbalances will have physical, mental, emotional, and physical aspects. I and others have posted on here about how sophisticated the TCM viewpoint is. It is understood in TCM that it is very much a two-way (or rather 4-way) street in which emotions will impact on physicial health but that physical imbalance will in turn make a person more prone to feeling certain emotions. The problem in the West is not just that the 2-way (or 4-way) relationship has been forgotten, recognizing only the 1-way emotions impacting on the body, but that as a result of this paradigm, all too often inappropriate treatment is being given and the patient is not receiving the proper treatment. I had two relatives who were misdiagnosed as being " stressed " and " depressed " when what was wrong with them was they had cancer. The appropriate treatment was delayed because of the misdiagnosis. Both died. Often when discussing this problem with Westerners, one usually has to classify illnesses as primarily psychological/ psychiatric or primarily physical in order to make sure the correct diagnosis and treatment is given. Some Western healers do recognize the problem with the current U.S. paradigm and diagnosing anything and everything as psychological, stress, depression, etc. An excellent book is Ill, Not Insane. (Sorry, forget the name of the two authors.) For example, patients with mild, undiagnosed, and untreated asthma frequently will appear anxious. In the current climate in the U.S., all too many doctors see the anxiety and automatically think tranquelizers and miss the asthma which goes untreated. Doctors and nurses in the West used to be trained to use emotions as guides to making the correct diagnosis. For example, patients who come across as angry often are in pain. Today, too many doctors automatically think behavioral/ personality disorders and either prescribe a psycho-active drug or fob the patient off to a psychiatrist for additional evaluation. BTW, there is a TCM basis to why people who are in pain often are angry. The Liver is the Organ which has the most to do with Qi Stagnation, and where there is Qi Stagnation, there is pain. The Liver is very vulnerable to anger. Once Liver imbalance occurs from whatever cause (viral, bacterial, toxin, injury, emotional, etc.) the person is going to be more prone to feeling anger. Many Western doctors see anger and think behavioral and psychological imbalance. The TCM healer sees anger and suspects Liver imbalance. BTW, I've heard some psychologists express frustration at doctors not listening to them when they tell the doctors that they (the psychologists) don't believe the patients' problems are psychological. Instead of listening to the psychologists and ordering the medical tests and digging deeper to arrive at the correct diagnosis, the doctors keep insisting that the problem is psychological even though the psychologists are telling them it isn't. I know of one case where a psychiatrist was frustrated because he knew that except for being skinny, a young patient had none of the symptoms of anorexia. He didn't have the training to be able to diagnose what the girl's problem was, but he knew it wasn't anorexia (he treated a lot of anorexics), but her primary doctors wouldn't listen to him and kept pushing the psychological diagnosis. Fortunately, he did know someone who did have the expertise to diagnose her correctly. It was a rare problem involving the splinter between the stomach and small intestine. Seems like the muscles were too thick or something and would not allow the passage to open correctly. Food stayed in her stomach. This psychiatrist was ethical and concerned for his patients. Not all are. Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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