Stomach Yin Deficiency @hypothalamus

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine, Ed Lambert <moonlava@i...> wrote:

> > " victoria_dragon " <victoria_dragon@h...>

> > " Clinical manifestations

> > " No appetite, fever or feeling of heat in the afternoon,

constipation

> > (dry stools), epigastric " (upper middle abdomen, area of

> > stomach) " pain, dry mouth and throat especially in the afternoon,

> > thirst but with no desire to drink or desire to drink in small

sips,

> > feeling of fullness after eating.

>

> I'd like to present 6 element perspectives on this information.

It's another view.These functions above are all controled by the

hypothalamus; thirst, satiety after eating, body temp control,

sweating, resetting the body's thermostat for fevers

(prostaglandins), and regulating digestion. The hypothalamus is

governed by San Jiao and Pericardium. So there is a big gray area

between Stomach and SJ/Pc, where no clear distinctions are being made

by modern acupuncture.

>

> > " Aetiology

> > " The most common cause of Stomach-Yin deficiency is an irregular

diet

> > and eating habits,

>

> Irregular eating habits disrupt the homeostasis of the body. This

is basic. The body sets up and maintains specific rhythms.When we

have irregular patterns, this stresses the homeostatic patterns of

the body. Homeostasis is governed by SJ/Pc through the hypothalamus.

I say this to broaden the view of what is happening physiologically.

But then again the center for emotional control, anger and fear, is

also the hypothalamus.

>

> > " victoria_dragon " <victoria_dragon@h...>

> > " Clinical manifestations

> > " Swallow complexion, dull occipital or vertical headache,

insomnia,

> > dream-disturbed sleep, numbness of limbs, malar flush, dizziness,

dry

> > eyes,

> > blurred vision, propensity to outburst of anger, soreness of the

> > lower back,

> > dry throat, tinnitus, night sweating, feeling of heat of palms and

> > soles,

> > difficult-dry stools, nocturnal emissions, scanty menstruation or

> > amenorrhoea, delayed cycle, in women infertility. "

>

> Many of these are also controled by the hypothalamus. Most migraine

headaches arise from imbalances in the hypothalamus. I think the new

issue of Time or Newsweek mentions this in an article on migraines.

Anger is controled by hypothalamus. Body temp control as it relates

to night-sweating and five palmar heat.SJ/Pc are integrally connected

to Kd and Lv. In the meridian theory I use, the flow goes like this.

> Pc nourishes Kd and Lv. Kd then nourishes SJ and Lv. SJ then

nourishes Lv. So they are intimately all tied together.

>

> > " Pathology

> > " The Kidneys correspond to Water and should nourish the Liver,

> > which corresponds to Wood. Thus the Yin and Blood of the Liver

are

> > dependent on the nourishment of Kidney-Yin and Kidney-Essence. "

(This

> > is 5 Element theory.

>

> It is also 6 element theory. These same relationships are there

too. One difference is how 6 element theory explains the mediating

effect of SJ/Pc in between Water and Wood.It's the Essence (Kd), Qi

(SJ) and Blood (Lv) continuum. Qi mediates between Essence and Blood.

> Blood embodies Qi. Qi is rooted in Essence. Essence is the

foundation of both.

> As we live in adaptable harmony between Yin & Yang, Qi will

flourish and Blood will be healthy.

> Ed

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Connecting

western scientific terms

with

chinese medical terms

might

for some period of time

" obviously "

explain relationships.

 

but...

 

So there are big question marks regarding this and that chinese

functions.

Whoops we simply get some yet not well understood

western organs like the hypothalamus (or in another case : the spleen)

and assign our not-understood chinese functions to them.

 

 

In my xx years of wondering why certain chinese theories still

haven't entered the west, I assume this kind of westification of TCM

keeps building up a wall that gets stronger and stronger the more

people try to find mechanical explanations.

This sort of argumentation will keep the chinese treatment of

glaucoma and dental caries from entering the west, as for example the

relationship of complicated glaucoma and dental caries to the

hypothalamus

has yet not been detected/investigated.

I want to prevent people from thinking:

" oh, hypothalamus = SJ/Pc "

as this might get them in conflict in the future

 

 

I really wonder where your comments regarding the hypothalamus

stem from. The only source you presented was Time and Newsweek,

and I'd really like to get further information on the 'center for

emotional control, anger and fear, is also the hypothalamus. " -topic.

 

What do you mean with 6-element theory?

[Guest guest]

> I really wonder where your comments regarding the hypothalamus

> stem from. The only source you presented was Time and Newsweek,

> and I'd really like to get further information on the 'center for

> emotional control, anger and fear, is also the hypothalamus. " -topic.

 

This is just some general info on the hypothalamus.

 

" The hypothalamus is interconnected by nerve fibers to the cerebral

cortex, thalamus, and other parts of the brain stem so that it can

receive impulses from them and send impulses to them. The

hypothalamus plays key roles in maintaing homeostasis by regulating a

variety of visceral activities and by serving as a link between the

nervous and endocrine systems.

 

" Among the many important functions of the hypothalamus are the

following:

 

" 1. Regulation of heart rate and arterial blood pressure.

 

" 2. Regulation of body temperature.

 

" 3. Regulation of water and electrolyte balance.

 

" 4. Control of hunger and regulation of body weight.

 

" 5. Control of movements and glandular secretions of the stomach and

intestines.

 

" 6. Production of neurosecretory substances that stimulate the

pituitary gland to release various hormones.

 

" 7. Regulation of sleep and wakefulness.

 

" Structures in the general region of the diencephalong also play

important roles in the control of emotional responses. For example,

portions of the cerebral cortex in the medial parts of the frontal

and temporal lobes are interconnected with the hypothalamus,

thalamus, basal ganglia, and other deep nuclei. Together these

structures comprise a complex called the limbic system.

 

" The limbic system can modify the way a person acts because it

functions to produce such emotional feelings as fear, anger,

pleasure, and sorrow. More specifically, the limbic system seems to

recognize upsets in a person's physical or psychological condition

that might threaten survival. By causing pleasant or unpleasant

feelings about experiences, the limbic system guides the person into

behavior that is likely to increase the chance of survival. " (Human

Anatomy and Physiology, 2nd. ed., John W. Hole, jr., p. 304.)

 

Sorry about the text being old, but it's the most basic explanation I

have at hand for other readers who may want to follow this debate but

are unfamiliar with the hypothalamus.

 

In the past 10 years, research into Chronic Fatigue Immune

Dysfunction Syndrome (CFIDS) has increasingly looked at the

Hypothalamus-Pituitary-Adrenal axis. CFIDS is a condition of

extremes. PWCs often will exhibit extremes in each of the listed 7

major functions of the hypothalamus: Insomnia or needing to sleep all

the time, lower than normal body temperature or constant low-grade

fever, lack of appetite or ravenous appetite, weight gain or weight

loss, edema or dehydration, hypo- and hyper-glandular states, etc.

It's not uncommon for individuals with CFIDS to range from one

extreme to another. This is what has caused increasing numbers of

researchers to look at a possible disorder of the hypothalamus in the

Western-defined medical condition CFIDS. Some of the more cutting

edge research into the hypothalamus probably will be found among

CFIDS researchers.

 

At this point no one knows for sure which Western glands or parts of

the brain, if any, correspond to TCM Organs. Some writers believe

the functions of the entire endocrine glandular system falls under

the Kidneys.

 

There are a number of professionals on the list. Sometimes debates

like this do come up. As long as the information is presented as

theory - which this was - I have no problem with it. These debates

may help unlock a door for figuring out better treatments for people

suffering from a variety of puzzling and debilitating symptoms.

 

I encourage new TCM students - including those who are licensed

Western doctors, nurses, chiroprators, etc. - to first learn basic

TCM. I encourage them to put aside for a while, any Western medical

ideas or definitions, and understand TCM within the framework of

TCM. For example, the functions of the adrenal glands, the condition

of the bones, the condition of the teeth, the condition of the ears

and hearing, etc. fall under the TCM concept of the Kidneys. The

Spleen plays a major role in the production of Blood. Etc. Without

first learning pure TCM, they will never be able to get the maximum

benefit from either TCM OR Western medicine.

 

Why do I include Western medicine? Because having a different

perspective often will enable a person to see things that otherwise

would not have occured to him or her. One example of this is the

failure of thyroid medication in fully treating all cases of

hypothyroidism. For many decades it was dogma in Western medicine

that if a person with hypothyroidism (underactive thyroid function)

took the thyroid pill - either the Armor natural thyroid of the

synthroid, that all the symptoms of hypothyroidism would disappear.

They do in some cases, but not in all. Some doctors have recognized

that this is fairly common, but don't know what to do when the person

still complains of cold, still has slowed responses, etc. even after

the replacement therapy brings the blood level of thyroid hormones up

to normal. A Western doctor who also has training in TCM would

recognize that many of the symptoms of hypothyroidism are also

symptoms of Kidney Yang Deficiency. The doctor successfully has

treated the hypothyroidism, but not the Kidney Yang Deficiency. It

too will have to be addressed. But this increased understanding

because of having learned a different perspective also works the

other way. There was some posts on here about a case of Yang

Deficiency did not respond fully until a Western doctor addressed a

need for thyroid hormone.

 

Sometime pure TCM is best, sometimes pure Western medicine is best,

but sometimes the sum of the combined total is greater than the sum

of the parts. For example, some serious blood disorders like

leukemia respond best to a combination of Western medicine and TCM.

(A Handbook of Chinese Hematology, Simon Becker.)

 

Let's get back to the hypothalamus. The most popular theory as to

why the homeostasis of the hypothalmus becomes disordered is that

there is a viral infection or toxin attacking the hypothalamus. Some

researchers have theorized that parts of the hypothalamus have even

been destroyed - even though there has never been any evidence of

this. But I would offer another *theory* - something else to

consider - as to why the hypothalamus fails to maintain homeostasis

in *some* cases. Blood Stasis.

 

Why do I consider this possiblity? Because I'm familiar with the

work of Austratian researcher L.O. Simpson, M.D., into higher than

normal percentages of nondiscocytes (misshapen, inflexible red blood

cells) in various medical conditions. The highest percentages of

nondiscocytes are found in people with CFIDS. Nondiscocytes have

trouble making it through the smaller capillaries because they are

misshapen and rigid. The hypothalamus is particularly rich in these

very small capillaries. The vitamin B12 tends to promote the

formation of healthy red blood cells. Calcium tends to stiffen red

blood cells.

 

Does this mean that all cases of higher than normal percentages of

nondiscocytes correspond totally or even partially to Blood Stasis?

Not at all. TCM dianoses are made on the basis of TCM criteria.

Blood Stasis is only diagnosed if the symptoms and signs of Blood

Stasis are present. Higher than normal percentages of nondiscocytes

is only diagnosed by those with training and licensing in Western

medicine. But an individual with training and licensing in both TCM

and Western medicine is qualified to research questions like " are

there substances in some (not all) of the Herbs that Invigorate Blood

that promote blood cells being more flexible. An individual with

training in both fields is going to think to ask questions that no

one else would think of asking. Some of the questions will not pan

out; others will bear fruit, and new and better approaches to healing

will be discovered.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

> " tayfx " <aajohansen

> -------------------------

> I want to prevent people from thinking:

> " oh, hypothalamus = SJ/Pc "

> as this might get them in conflict in the future

 

You make a good point. Even though SJ/Pc are strongly connected to the

hypothalamus, the wholistic nature of Qi dynamics allow for other meridians to

influence it. Keeping those wholistic connections in mind is important.

 

> I really wonder where your comments regarding the hypothalamus

> stem from. and I'd really like to get further information on the 'center for

> emotional control, anger and fear, is also the hypothalamus. " -topic.

 

Victoria wrote a wonderful response for the hypothalamus. I can add that from my

physiology book, it also receives all the impulses from sound, taste and smell

receptors. It continually monitors osmotic pressure, certain hormone

concentrations and the temperature of blood. I don't know if Victoria said this,

but it also regulates our thirst by monitoring the osmotic pressure of

extracellular fluid.

 

> What do you mean with 6-element theory?

 

I would refer you to my web site on

this;http://www.ilhawaii.net/~moonlava/6elements.htm

This theory helps clarify more of the intracacies that are being revealed about

how homeostasis works in the body. Homeostasis is critical to our health, and

for the most part, it is taken for granted in the world today. We can push

homeostasis only so far before it breaks.

Depression, Chronic Fatigue Synd., mania, and other emotional disorders all seem

to point to a disorder of the homeostatic power of the hypothalamus as Victoria

was pointing out. Lifestyles in this world are pushing it beyond its ability to

cope with the chaos around us. - Ed

[Guest guest]

> " victoria_dragon " <victoria_dragon

>

> This is just some general info on the hypothalamus.

 

Victoria, I so appreciate your professionalism in opening up understanding about

this.

 

> At this point no one knows for sure which Western glands or parts of

> the brain, if any, correspond to TCM Organs. Some writers believe

> the functions of the entire endocrine glandular system falls under

> the Kidneys.

 

For me, the main gland, the hypothalamus, is governed by SJ/Pc. This

understanding comes clear from 6 element theory.

 

> These debates

> may help unlock a door for figuring out better treatments for people

> suffering from a variety of puzzling and debilitating symptoms.

 

That is a wonderful perspective to take.

 

> But I would offer another *theory* - something else to

> consider - as to why the hypothalamus fails to maintain homeostasis

> in *some* cases. Blood Stasis.

 

Blood stasis for me would mostly be the result of Qi stagnation. " Qi moves

blood. " " Qi flows in blood. "

For me, maintaining homeostasis in the body is what Qi is.

When we are in perfect homeostatic balance, Qi thrives and flourishes. When

homeostasis is not in harmony for whatever reason, our Qi begins to crumble and

fade away. The power of our blood; its temperature, its hormonal concentrations,

its fluid balance and more are all monitored and regulated by the hypothalamus.

To diagnose a state of 'Blood Stasis', I feel that the harmony of homeostasis in

one's body has to be taken into consideration. For me, homeostasis is the power

of Qi. So I look to SJ/Pc, and their connection to the hypothalamus, as the

basis of Qi and as a clue to whether homeostasis is in harmony or not.

For example, Pc6 is used for motion sickness, because the divergent of Pc flows

to the inner ear where balance is monitored. Pc6 resolves stress in the Pc

channel at the inner ear. Right next to the inner ear is the hypothalamus where

other expressions of balance are monitored. - Ed

[Guest guest]

> Depression, Chronic Fatigue Synd., mania, and other emotional

disorders all seem to point to a disorder of the homeostatic power of

the hypothalamus as Victoria was pointing out. Lifestyles in this

world are pushing it beyond its ability to cope with the chaos around

us.

 

I need to stress here that Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, aka Chronic

Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome, is not an emotional or

psychological illness. Depression can be a part of it - especially

if there is an active viral infection such as Epstein Barr or

Cytomegalovirus (CMV), but it's very much primarily a physical

condition with a lot of abnormal physical findings in the immune

system, the blood, the neural system, etc.

 

If a healer thinks of it as a psychological condition (instead of a

physical condition with possible psychological overlays - as all

physical illnesses are), the healer is apt to miss some of the most

important dynamics of the condition and prescribe treatments that not

only do not help but actually make the person sicker.

 

The reason it has been labeled a psychological condition by some is

that governments and the insurance industry do not want to have to

pay the disability claims. There is a clause in most disability

insurance policies that if a condition is psychological, the insurer

only has to pay for two years. Thus, the insurance industry in

particular has been actively campaigning - even with disinformation -

to convince doctors and the public that it is psychological. Also,

there are some other industries such as the chemical and

pharmaceutical industries that fear that recognition of CFIDS as a

physical instead of a psychological condition could open them up to

lawsuits. (At this time no one knows exactly what causes CFIDS, but

most PWCs became sick following surgery, a viral infection, and/or

exposure to certain chemicals, in particular tung oil. It is

believed that it is not the surgery per se that can trigger CFIDS in

susceptible individuals, but the use of certain anesthesias, the

histamine-releasing ones. A hectic lifestyle and poor diet can cause

a person to be more susceptible to developing CFIDS.)

 

For more information on the role of the insurance industry in

labeling CFIDS a psychological condition, see the website

insurancejustice. com. (I think that's the correct address. I'll

check.) Also check out the website of the CFIDS Association of

America for more information on the roles of the U.S. and British

governments in trying to label CFIDS as psychological. BTW, the same

individuals involved in doing this to CFIDS are the same individuals

who are pushing to label Gulf War Syndrome as a psychological

and " stress " condition in spite of the higher than normal percentages

of GW veterans who have developed cancers, had children with genetic

defects, etc.

 

The sad thing is that all that money and effort being expended to

label CFIDS and other conditions as psychological are money and

effort that could be going into research and into developing and

getting treatments that do work to people who are sick. CFIDS is

treatable, especially if identified early and proper treatment began.

I've had it for over 28 years. At the worst, I couldn't use a

computer, couldn't read, couldn't follow the most mindless sitcom on

TV. Also was having to crawl to the bathroom at night. Quite a turn-

around. I'm not cured, still can't do a lot of things, but this is

great compared to what was. And the longer I stay on TCM treatment,

the more I learn, the more I'm able to finetune treatment, the better

I do. Please keep in mind that I was sick over 20 years before I

discovered TCM. The longer one is sick, the longer it takes to

correct problems. Also, I came down with this 10 years before the

outbreak in Incline Village, Nevada first began to bring what would

become known as CFIDS to the attention of the medical establishment

and the public. It was very much trial and error in those days.

 

Through the years, I did discover some Western alternative things

that did help. They were not effective enough. Also, because I did

not know what I was working with, I did not know how critical it was

that I maintain a good diet and get plenty of rest.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine, " victoria_dragon " <victoria_dragon@h...>

wrote:

 

> I need to stress here that Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, aka Chronic

> Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome, is not an emotional or

> psychological illness.

 

Victoria, I'm sorry for including it in a list of emotional disorders.

My bad. It's not. It's a condition that emanates from the biochemistry

of the body. I appreciate all the knowledge you share about it.

 

To me the ancients lived long lives because they lived according to

homeostasis and minimized the stresses in their lives. As such their

health became optimum.

Can I ask you from your experience how CFIDS might be some kind of

imbalance to homeostasis?

Ed

[Guest guest]

> Victoria, I'm sorry for including it in a list of emotional

disorders.

> My bad.

 

It's not your fault given the concerted effort by selfish interest to

label

it that way and convince the public and doctors that it is. Follow

the

money trail.

 

> Can I ask you from your experience how CFIDS might be some kind of

> imbalance to homeostasis?

 

CFIDS is a condition of extremes. This is one of the main things

that early

researchers missed when looking at it. They would spot one side of the

extreme and then be confused when other PWCs manifested different

symptoms,

often the oppostite. They didn't realize that the clinical picture

is not

one particular extreme but that PWCs are hitting extremes. Often,

over the

course of the condition a particular PWC will cycle from one extreme

to

another (though not always).

 

For example, sleep disturbance. Insomnia and/or sleeping all the

time. Lack

of appetite and/or ravenous appetite. Weight gain and/or weight loss.

Low

blood pressure and/or high blood pressure. Hypo-glandular states

(especially

thyroid), and/or hyper-glandular states. Lower than normal body

temperature

and/or constant low grade fever. It's not unusual for a particular

PWC to

cycle back and forth between every pair listed at various times in the

course of the condition. Feeling too cold most of the time and having

trouble warming up and/or feeling hot most of the time and having

trouble

cooling down.

 

This tendency to extremes also shows up in lab work. Lower than

normal

white blood cell counts and/or higher than normal white blood cell

counts.

(The latter, along with the joint pains, bruising, and extreme

fatigue is

why leukemia has to be ruled out in some PWCs.) Lower than normal

red blood

cell counts and/or higher than normal red blood cell counts. (The

higher

than normal red blood cell counts may or may not be polycytemia vera.)

Lower than normal blood sedimentation rate and/or higher than normal

sedimentation rate. Lower than normal level of cortisol and/or

higher than

normal level of cortisol. The thing is, anyone, over a course of a

lifetime,

can hit extremes. For example, a person might have a lower than

normal

white blood cell count way back in 1985 due to one type of infection

and

years later, say in 1995, have an elevated white blood cell count due

to a

different infection. What distinguishes CFIDS is that the lab values

are so

seldom within the normal range. And the changes are occuring over a

relatively short time span. The cortisol thing has been especially

confusing

to some researchers. Some test groups of PWCs will show the higher

than

normal, some groups will show significant numbers having lower than

normal

cortisol, and some groups will average out. The common denominator

is not

if it's high or if it's low but that it is one or the other in so

many PWCs

so much of the time. The same thing with the other pairs.

 

A typical comment of someone with CFIDS is, " I never know how I'm

going to

feel from one minute to the next. " Symptoms wax and wane in

severity, and

come and go. This not only has been confusing to healers but to PWCs

as

well.

 

Another typical comment is, " I have to rest up to do things, and then

rest

up afterwards to recover. " The latter is not surprising. SPET scans

have

revealed that when PWCs over-do, blood flow to the brain is

diminished and

may take several days or even weeks to return to normal. (The sicker

the

PWC is, the longer the recovery time from over-doing.)

 

One of the hallmarks of CFIDS is that exercise - or any over-doing

physically - will make it worse. We're definitely looking at some weak

Spleen and Qi Deficiency issues here. As well as Kidney imbalance,

Liver

imbalance, and Heart imbalance. There may be other Organ imbalance

as well,

but Spleen, Kidneys, Liver, and Heart are the ones that show up the

most.

Sometimes the Kidney Yang Deficiency will predominate; sometimes the

Kidney

Yin Deficiency will predominate. Both are present, but one will

always

predominate. (This applies to anyone with K Yin or K Yang

Deficiency, not

just PWCs.)

 

In addition, some PWCs are stuck in one of the 6 stages of Cold-

Induced

Illnesses. For many PWCs the CFIDS was triggered by a viral

infection. Two

other common triggers are surgery and/or exposure to toxins and

chemicals,

in particular tung oil. In my own case 6 months after having gall

bladder

surgery I came down with mono-induced hepatitis and was never the

same after

that.

 

BTW, I suspect that the concept of the 6 stages of Cold-Induced

Illnesses

(along with the 4 Levels of Virulent Heat Evils) is going to be one

of the

most significant contributions of TCM to Western healers. The fact

that

people can become " stuck " in one stage of an infectious illness. The

lab

results may be normal (or as too often the case, what is believed to

be

normal), but the person is still having problems. What is happening

in many

of these cases is that the illness has not been completely cleared.

It has

been by Western standards, but not by TCM standards. Clearly

something more

is needed besides the antibiotic or the antiviral or the anti-fungal

drug.

Completely clearing an infection also includes setting back some of

the

changes the body that the infection triggered.

 

A little about infection and depression. Some viruses, in particular

some

of those in the herpes family of viruses (like Epstein Barr and

cytomegalovirus, the two leading causes of mononucleosis) will trigger

depression. It has to do with increased cytokline production as part

of the

immune response. Antidepressants and talk therapy are useless (and

can even

hurt) when depression has a viral base. The way to get rid of the

depression in these cases is to get rid of the infection. In many

ways this

depression is " protective " in nature. Just as fever (as long as it

is not

extreme) is protective in that it helps to fight infection. Just

like pain

in an injured leg can keep a person off the leg until it heals. What

this

depression can help to do is to cause the person to get the rest that

is

needed to help the body to recover. Very often the client will need

to be

told or reminded that the feelings of depression are coming from the

effects

of the virus and that as the infection improves, the spirit will lift.

 

> To me the ancients lived long lives because they lived according to

> homeostasis and minimized the stresses in their lives. As such their

> health became optimum.

 

Stressful, irregular lifestyles definitely weaken people and make

them more

susceptible to a host of medical problems. Eventually the members of

society

are going to have to demand that things slow down and become both more

regular and more satisfying if overall public health is going to

improve.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine, " victoria_dragon " <victoria_dragon@h...>

wrote:

 

> Also, I came down with this 10 years before the

> outbreak in Incline Village, Nevada first began to bring what would

> become known as CFIDS to the attention of the medical establishment

> and the public. It was very much trial and error in those days.

 

What year was it that outbreak of CFIDS in was discovered? I lived in

Incline for 5 years in the late 70s. Did they ever figure out what the

trigger was for it there?

 

Thanks,

sue

 

PS - tried sending this directly to your mail; came back with the

notice that your mailbox is full...

[Guest guest]

> What year was it that outbreak of CFIDS in was discovered? I lived

in

> Incline for 5 years in the late 70s.

 

1984.

 

> Did they ever figure out what the

> trigger was for it there?

 

Not to my knowledge. There were some concerns about the ventilation

at the high school if I'm remembering correctly. I believe several

of the faculty that got sick shared the same cramped office space.

The one person who shared this office who did not get sick was (I

believe) a man who ate his lunch in his truck instead of in the

office. He spent little time in the office.

 

Osler's Web by Hillary Johnson (sp?) is an excellent book about CFIDS

and the failure of the government and medical system to deal with it

honestly and constructively. I recommend it for anyone wishing more

info on what's wrong with the medical system in the U.S. The

government isn't just failing in the area of CFIDS but a host of

other conditions as well. Among other things, the CDC (Centers for

Disease Control) has been caught not only using funds earmarked by

congress for CFIDS research on certain " pet " projects and other

things, but also funds earmarked for researching Huanta (sp?) virus,

Lyme disease, and breast cancer.

 

Victoria