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I was wondering about the potential benefits and what

problems their may be in drinking soy on a daily

basis. Can anyone recommend good soy products?

I have also heard that milk is not really a necessity

for an adult.

 

I am not a TCM practitioner or student.

 

Thank you.

 

Erik Aponte

 

 

 

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Chinese Traditional Medicine, erik aponte <thurneisser> wrote:

> I was wondering about the potential benefits and what

> problems their may be in drinking soy on a daily

> basis. Can anyone recommend good soy products?

> I have also heard that milk is not really a necessity

> for an adult.

 

You may want to check Dr. Mercola's website for articles about soy.

There are some serious concerns about soy products.

 

Milk is good for some adults, not good for others. Some adults can

handle cheese and especially yogurt ok, but not milk. Some adults

can handle goat milk products but not cow milk products. It depends

on the individual.

 

From a TCM standpoint, dairy is contraindicated if there are Dampness

problems and/or a weak Spleen. Dairy is one of the most Damp-

engendering foods there is. (Wheat also is Damp-engendering, but not

as bad as dairy.) Some milk and wheat " allergies " are not actual

allergies at all but the result of the Spleen being weak and Dampness

having accumulated. (One of the things the Spleen Qi does is to

transport and transform Fluids in the body. If it's weak, it can't

perform this function adequately, and Dampness accumulates. One of

the primary indicators of Dampness problems is that the arms and legs

will feel heavy - like weights are attached to them. There usually

is edema somewhere in the body (though not necessarily uniform

throughout the body). The thinking may be " foggy " . The tongue

coating is sticky. The tongue may be swollen. The pulse is slippery.

 

It's a good idea to forego dairy when one has a cold or flu. There

already is too much mucus.

 

Victoria

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> From a TCM standpoint, dairy is contraindicated if there are

Dampness

> problems and/or a weak Spleen. Dairy is one of the most Damp-

> engendering foods there is. (Wheat also is Damp-engendering, but

not

> as bad as dairy.) Some milk and wheat " allergies " are not actual

> allergies at all but the result of the Spleen being weak and

Dampness

> having accumulated. (One of the things the Spleen Qi does is to

> transport and transform Fluids in the body. If it's weak, it can't

> perform this function adequately, and Dampness accumulates. One of

> the primary indicators of Dampness problems is that the arms and

legs

> will feel heavy - like weights are attached to them. There usually

> is edema somewhere in the body (though not necessarily uniform

> throughout the body). The thinking may be " foggy " . The tongue

> coating is sticky. The tongue may be swollen. The pulse is

slippery.

>

> It's a good idea to forego dairy when one has a cold or flu. There

> already is too much mucus.

>

> Victoria

 

Great post. :) One thing to keep in mind is that the effects of milk

listed in materia medicas are most likely for fresh raw milk.

Pasteurized and homogenized milk acts slightly differently.

 

Chinese Dietary Therapy by Liu Jilin, has a few things to say about

the effects of these on milk:

 

" The pasteurization process, and particularly the UHT heat treatment

used in long-life milk, appear to greatly increase the tendency to

cause Phlegm in those who are susceptible (probably by making it more

difficult for those with weak Stomach and Spleen to transform it). "

 

" [in Homogenization of milk]…the fat particles are smaller, [and]

they are more readily absorbed by the small intestine and may thus

bypass a natural barrier in sensitive individuals. Whole milk does

not present this problem. "

 

Mbanu

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Thanks, Mbanu.

 

> Chinese Dietary Therapy by Liu Jilin, has a few things to say about

> the effects of these on milk:

>

> " The pasteurization process, and particularly the UHT heat

treatment

> used in long-life milk, appear to greatly increase the tendency to

> cause Phlegm in those who are susceptible (probably by making it

more

> difficult for those with weak Stomach and Spleen to transform it). "

>

> " [in Homogenization of milk]…the fat particles are smaller, [and]

> they are more readily absorbed by the small intestine and may thus

> bypass a natural barrier in sensitive individuals. Whole milk does

> not present this problem. "

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> Hi Mbanu,

 

 

I am really impressed by all that you have learned since joining

this list. I appreciate your passing it on!! I have learned much

that I didn't know.

 

THANKS!!!!!!!

 

Kit

 

PS. And, as always I appreciate your joining into any discussion,

Victoria.....as an 'official' student my education is much richer

by the postings here. Double-thanks!!!

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> I am really impressed by all that you have learned since joining

> this list. I appreciate your passing it on!! I have learned

much

> that I didn't know.

>

> THANKS!!!!!!!

>

> Kit

 

I enjoy sharing. :) I only hope that what I share is as accurate as

possible. I try to encourage people to check for themselves on the

things which I post. I'm still learning too, y'know. ;)

 

Mbanu

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>I only hope that what I share is as accurate as

>possible. I try to encourage people to check for themselves on the

>things which I post. I'm still learning too, y'know. ;)

 

So far, you are referencing your material nicely.... that's all that

we can/should expect..... good work....

 

Kit

 

 

 

 

 

 

At 06:14 PM 10/1/02 +0000, you wrote:

>

> > I am really impressed by all that you have learned since joining

> > this list.   I appreciate your passing it on!!   I have learned

> much

> > that I didn't know.

> >

> > THANKS!!!!!!!

> >

> > Kit

>

> I enjoy sharing. :) I only hope that what I share is as accurate as

> possible. I try to encourage people to check for themselves on the

> things which I post. I'm still learning too, y'know. ;)

>

> Mbanu

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Chinese Traditional Medicine, " victoria_dragon " <victoria_dragon@h...>

wrote:

 

> You may want to check Dr. Mercola's website for articles about soy.

> There are some serious concerns about soy products.

 

I don't use soy milk. It gives me a scratchy throat after-effect which

I don't like; I use rice milk instead... it's great on granol or

cereal.

 

sue

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