Guest guest Posted September 30, 2002 Report Share Posted September 30, 2002 I was wondering about the potential benefits and what problems their may be in drinking soy on a daily basis. Can anyone recommend good soy products? I have also heard that milk is not really a necessity for an adult. I am not a TCM practitioner or student. Thank you. Erik Aponte New DSL Internet Access from SBC & http://sbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2002 Report Share Posted September 30, 2002 Chinese Traditional Medicine, erik aponte <thurneisser> wrote: > I was wondering about the potential benefits and what > problems their may be in drinking soy on a daily > basis. Can anyone recommend good soy products? > I have also heard that milk is not really a necessity > for an adult. You may want to check Dr. Mercola's website for articles about soy. There are some serious concerns about soy products. Milk is good for some adults, not good for others. Some adults can handle cheese and especially yogurt ok, but not milk. Some adults can handle goat milk products but not cow milk products. It depends on the individual. From a TCM standpoint, dairy is contraindicated if there are Dampness problems and/or a weak Spleen. Dairy is one of the most Damp- engendering foods there is. (Wheat also is Damp-engendering, but not as bad as dairy.) Some milk and wheat " allergies " are not actual allergies at all but the result of the Spleen being weak and Dampness having accumulated. (One of the things the Spleen Qi does is to transport and transform Fluids in the body. If it's weak, it can't perform this function adequately, and Dampness accumulates. One of the primary indicators of Dampness problems is that the arms and legs will feel heavy - like weights are attached to them. There usually is edema somewhere in the body (though not necessarily uniform throughout the body). The thinking may be " foggy " . The tongue coating is sticky. The tongue may be swollen. The pulse is slippery. It's a good idea to forego dairy when one has a cold or flu. There already is too much mucus. Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2002 Report Share Posted September 30, 2002 > From a TCM standpoint, dairy is contraindicated if there are Dampness > problems and/or a weak Spleen. Dairy is one of the most Damp- > engendering foods there is. (Wheat also is Damp-engendering, but not > as bad as dairy.) Some milk and wheat " allergies " are not actual > allergies at all but the result of the Spleen being weak and Dampness > having accumulated. (One of the things the Spleen Qi does is to > transport and transform Fluids in the body. If it's weak, it can't > perform this function adequately, and Dampness accumulates. One of > the primary indicators of Dampness problems is that the arms and legs > will feel heavy - like weights are attached to them. There usually > is edema somewhere in the body (though not necessarily uniform > throughout the body). The thinking may be " foggy " . The tongue > coating is sticky. The tongue may be swollen. The pulse is slippery. > > It's a good idea to forego dairy when one has a cold or flu. There > already is too much mucus. > > Victoria Great post. One thing to keep in mind is that the effects of milk listed in materia medicas are most likely for fresh raw milk. Pasteurized and homogenized milk acts slightly differently. Chinese Dietary Therapy by Liu Jilin, has a few things to say about the effects of these on milk: " The pasteurization process, and particularly the UHT heat treatment used in long-life milk, appear to greatly increase the tendency to cause Phlegm in those who are susceptible (probably by making it more difficult for those with weak Stomach and Spleen to transform it). " " [in Homogenization of milk]…the fat particles are smaller, [and] they are more readily absorbed by the small intestine and may thus bypass a natural barrier in sensitive individuals. Whole milk does not present this problem. " Mbanu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2002 Report Share Posted September 30, 2002 Thanks, Mbanu. > Chinese Dietary Therapy by Liu Jilin, has a few things to say about > the effects of these on milk: > > " The pasteurization process, and particularly the UHT heat treatment > used in long-life milk, appear to greatly increase the tendency to > cause Phlegm in those who are susceptible (probably by making it more > difficult for those with weak Stomach and Spleen to transform it). " > > " [in Homogenization of milk]…the fat particles are smaller, [and] > they are more readily absorbed by the small intestine and may thus > bypass a natural barrier in sensitive individuals. Whole milk does > not present this problem. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 > > Hi Mbanu, I am really impressed by all that you have learned since joining this list. I appreciate your passing it on!! I have learned much that I didn't know. THANKS!!!!!!! Kit PS. And, as always I appreciate your joining into any discussion, Victoria.....as an 'official' student my education is much richer by the postings here. Double-thanks!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 > I am really impressed by all that you have learned since joining > this list. I appreciate your passing it on!! I have learned much > that I didn't know. > > THANKS!!!!!!! > > Kit I enjoy sharing. I only hope that what I share is as accurate as possible. I try to encourage people to check for themselves on the things which I post. I'm still learning too, y'know. Mbanu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 >I only hope that what I share is as accurate as >possible. I try to encourage people to check for themselves on the >things which I post. I'm still learning too, y'know. So far, you are referencing your material nicely.... that's all that we can/should expect..... good work.... Kit At 06:14 PM 10/1/02 +0000, you wrote: > > > I am really impressed by all that you have learned since joining > > this list. I appreciate your passing it on!! I have learned > much > > that I didn't know. > > > > THANKS!!!!!!! > > > > Kit > > I enjoy sharing. I only hope that what I share is as accurate as > possible. I try to encourage people to check for themselves on the > things which I post. I'm still learning too, y'know. > > Mbanu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 Chinese Traditional Medicine, " victoria_dragon " <victoria_dragon@h...> wrote: > You may want to check Dr. Mercola's website for articles about soy. > There are some serious concerns about soy products. I don't use soy milk. It gives me a scratchy throat after-effect which I don't like; I use rice milk instead... it's great on granol or cereal. sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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