Guest guest Posted September 21, 2002 Report Share Posted September 21, 2002 I was reading up on the purpose of an odd-looking acupuncture needle (A " three edged " needle) and discovered that it was primarily used for venipuncture and bloodletting. (http://www.geocities.com/altmedd/acupuncture/acupuncture_technique/TH REEEDGEDNEEDLE.htm) It mentioned things like clumpy pricking, " Prick around a small area or a reddened swelling, then press the skin to make the decayed blood escape. This method is mostly used for carbuncles, erysipelas, etc. " This sounds rather painful. Has anyone on this list experience with bloodletting from a TCM viewpoint? Mbanu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2002 Report Share Posted September 21, 2002 - > This sounds rather painful. Has anyone on this list experience with > bloodletting from a TCM viewpoint? Yes. You certainly feel the prick, but it's not painful after that. And, in my case, it was helpful. Jeri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2002 Report Share Posted September 21, 2002 I do it on myself whenever needed. And, might do it on a friend or a patient with who you have a good long-standing relation. It is discouraged as a practice at school (for later use in one's practice)for both legal and body fluid issues. Kit At 06:59 PM 9/21/02 +0000, you wrote: > > I was reading up on the purpose of an odd-looking acupuncture needle > (A " three edged " needle) and discovered that it was primarily used > for venipuncture and bloodletting. > > (<http://www.geocities.com/altmedd/acupuncture/acupuncture_technique/TH>ht > tp://www.geocities.com/altmedd/acupuncture/acupuncture_technique/TH > REEEDGEDNEEDLE.htm) > > It mentioned things like clumpy pricking, " Prick around a small area > or a reddened swelling, then press the skin to make the decayed blood > escape. This method is mostly used for carbuncles, erysipelas, etc. " > > This sounds rather painful. Has anyone on this list experience with > bloodletting from a TCM viewpoint? > > Mbanu > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2002 Report Share Posted September 21, 2002 Dear Mbanu, Bloodletting is great for draining heat and fire in the body. Especially on the apex of the ear for a high fever. The last time I was in Taiwan, I developed a damp-heat rash on my fingers from the heat and humidity there. A friend blood-let my jing3 points (spring points - one fen proximal to the corner of the nailbeds) on my small intestine meridian, shao ze, or SI-1. That combined with Zhao Hai -K-6, for some heat in my throat, and a few other points cleared the heat right up. Bloodletting at DaZhui with a cup is often used for high fever or external heat conditions. Bloodletting at WaiZhong UB-40 is great for lower back pain, especially if there are visible dark luo vessels on the back of their knees. It can also be used for other blood stasis problems. A teacher of mine told me that she once used it at TianZong SI-11, with a cup, when her patient had chronic shoulder pain after an injury several years ago. She said that the blood that came out was black (old static blood), and his shoulder pain got better. I've used it effectively to squeeze out nasty deep-seated white heads. Bloodletting formulas: Back pain - weizhong, kunlun Headaches - baihui, taiyang High blood pressure - quze, chize Extreme heat - shixuan (finger tips) and shierjing (12 spring points) The main therapeutic effects of blood letting (chu xue) are: - Draining heat - Stopping pain due to blood stasis - Forcefully calm the shen (mind) - Disolve swelling and disperse toxins - Open orfices - Transform stasis (blood stasis) Contraindications: Not at large arteries Blood diseases (leukemia, etc.) Blood deficiency Pregnancy During or after miscarriage or menstration Spleen deficiency Low blood pressure Acute contagious diseases Significant liver, heart, or kidney disease (according to Western medical diagnosis) As well as the lancet (three-edged needle), a plum blossom is also used for blood letting, or even just an ordinary needle. Amount of blood to let: Minute - one drop Small - 5-10 drops Moderate - 10 mL (100 drops) Large - 15-100 mL (150-1000 drops) Warm regards, Blaise p.s. Sorry for the Chinese point names, for those of you who don't know their names, but I don't know the numbers for them all. > " walmart_hurts " <jcc >Chinese Traditional Medicine >Chinese Traditional Medicine >[Chinese Traditional Medicine] bloodletting >Sat, 21 Sep 2002 18:59:44 -0000 > >I was reading up on the purpose of an odd-looking acupuncture needle >(A " three edged " needle) and discovered that it was primarily used >for venipuncture and bloodletting. >(http://www.geocities.com/altmedd/acupuncture/acupuncture_technique/TH >REEEDGEDNEEDLE.htm) > >It mentioned things like clumpy pricking, " Prick around a small area >or a reddened swelling, then press the skin to make the decayed blood >escape. This method is mostly used for carbuncles, erysipelas, etc. " > >This sounds rather painful. Has anyone on this list experience with >bloodletting from a TCM viewpoint? > >Mbanu > _______________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2002 Report Share Posted September 22, 2002 Thanks for all the information, especially the main therapeutic uses and the contraindications. Does anyone have a list of the Chinese names of the acupoints and the terms in English? Thanks, Victoria >Bloodletting formulas: >Back pain - weizhong, kunlun >Headaches - baihui, taiyang >High blood pressure - quze, chize >Extreme heat - shixuan (finger tips) and shierjing (12 spring points) > >The main therapeutic effects of blood letting (chu xue) are: >- Draining heat >- Stopping pain due to blood stasis >- Forcefully calm the shen (mind) >- Disolve swelling and disperse toxins >- Open orfices >- Transform stasis (blood stasis) > >Contraindications: >Not at large arteries >Blood diseases (leukemia, etc.) >Blood deficiency >Pregnancy >During or after miscarriage or menstration >Spleen deficiency >Low blood pressure >Acute contagious diseases >Significant liver, heart, or kidney disease (according to Western medical >diagnosis) > >Amount of blood to let: >Minute - one drop >Small - 5-10 drops >Moderate - 10 mL (100 drops) >Large - 15-100 mL (150-1000 drops) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2002 Report Share Posted September 23, 2002 Hi. I got a book from the College of Tradicional Acupuncture (London) which has the chinese name, several translations to english and some other informations. If you want something about it, just let me know. Roberta - Judy Fitzgerald <victoria_dragon <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Sunday, September 22, 2002 10:45 AM Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] bloodletting > Thanks for all the information, especially the main therapeutic uses and the > contraindications. > > Does anyone have a list of the Chinese names of the acupoints and the terms > in English? > > Thanks, > Victoria > > >Bloodletting formulas: > >Back pain - weizhong, kunlun > >Headaches - baihui, taiyang > >High blood pressure - quze, chize > >Extreme heat - shixuan (finger tips) and shierjing (12 spring points) > > > >The main therapeutic effects of blood letting (chu xue) are: > >- Draining heat > >- Stopping pain due to blood stasis > >- Forcefully calm the shen (mind) > >- Disolve swelling and disperse toxins > >- Open orfices > >- Transform stasis (blood stasis) > > > >Contraindications: > >Not at large arteries > >Blood diseases (leukemia, etc.) > >Blood deficiency > >Pregnancy > >During or after miscarriage or menstration > >Spleen deficiency > >Low blood pressure > >Acute contagious diseases > >Significant liver, heart, or kidney disease (according to Western medical > >diagnosis) > > > >Amount of blood to let: > >Minute - one drop > >Small - 5-10 drops > >Moderate - 10 mL (100 drops) > >Large - 15-100 mL (150-1000 drops) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2002 Report Share Posted September 23, 2002 Judy Fitzgerald wrote: > >Bloodletting formulas: > >Back pain - weizhong, UB 40 kunlun UB 60 > >Headaches - baihui, DU 20 taiyang Extra points at temples > >High blood pressure - quze, PC 3 chize Lu 5 > >Extreme heat - shixuan (finger tips) and shierjing (12 spring points) These would be the second point from the end of each meridian. (I believe there are no exceptions.. GB? Cant' recall offhand.) -- Al Stone L.Ac. <AlStone http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2002 Report Share Posted September 24, 2002 Dear Al, Sorry, the 12 jing points, are the " well " points, not the " spring " points, which are the ones on the tips of the toes and fingers. Blaise >Al Stone <alstone >Chinese Traditional Medicine >Chinese Traditional Medicine >Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] bloodletting >Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:19:26 -0700 > > > >Judy Fitzgerald wrote: > > > >Bloodletting formulas: > > >Back pain - weizhong, UB 40 kunlun UB 60 > > > >Headaches - baihui, DU 20 taiyang Extra points at temples > > >High blood pressure - quze, PC 3 chize Lu 5 > > >Extreme heat - shixuan (finger tips) and shierjing (12 spring points) >These would be the second point from the end of each meridian. (I believe >there are no exceptions.. GB? Cant' recall offhand.) > >-- >Al Stone L.Ac. ><AlStone >http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com > >Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. _______________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2002 Report Share Posted September 25, 2002 Yes, right. Though not actually at the tips, those are different, rather these are at the first (or last) point on each channel, which tends to be near the corner of the nails. Not much fun to have needled, but if you're in a coma, who's going to complain? -al. " Blaise T. Ryan " wrote: > > Dear Al, > > Sorry, the 12 jing points, are the " well " points, not the " spring " points, > which are the ones on the tips of the toes and fingers. > > Blaise > > >Al Stone <alstone > >Chinese Traditional Medicine > >Chinese Traditional Medicine > >Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] bloodletting > >Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:19:26 -0700 > > > > > > > >Judy Fitzgerald wrote: > > > > > >Bloodletting formulas: > > > >Back pain - weizhong, UB 40 kunlun UB 60 > > > > > >Headaches - baihui, DU 20 taiyang Extra points at temples > > > >High blood pressure - quze, PC 3 chize Lu 5 > > > >Extreme heat - shixuan (finger tips) and shierjing (12 spring points) > >These would be the second point from the end of each meridian. (I believe > >there are no exceptions.. GB? Cant' recall offhand.) > > > >-- > >Al Stone L.Ac. > ><AlStone > >http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com > > > >Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > > _______________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2002 Report Share Posted September 25, 2002 Take care about bloodleting the last points of the Yang channel of the legs (Stomach, Gall Blader and Blader. As the changes between Yin and Yang are very powerful on these points, by bleeding the Yang channel you can miss a lot of yang qi. Even in cases of extreme heat (fever or any kind of heat disturbing Shen, try another points nearby but avoid the last ones. There's no problem in doing it on the Yin channels, if it's necessary. In auriculotherapy bloodletting is much used in apex and the other helix points to relief pain, calm shen, relief asthma, fever, itching and much more. Roberta - Al Stone <alstone <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Tuesday, September 24, 2002 8:41 PM Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] bloodletting > Yes, right. Though not actually at the tips, those are different, rather > these are at the first (or last) point on each channel, which tends to > be near the corner of the nails. Not much fun to have needled, but if > you're in a coma, who's going to complain? > > -al. > > " Blaise T. Ryan " wrote: > > > > Dear Al, > > > > Sorry, the 12 jing points, are the " well " points, not the " spring " points, > > which are the ones on the tips of the toes and fingers. > > > > Blaise > > > > >Al Stone <alstone > > >Chinese Traditional Medicine > > >Chinese Traditional Medicine > > >Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] bloodletting > > >Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:19:26 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > >Judy Fitzgerald wrote: > > > > > > > >Bloodletting formulas: > > > > >Back pain - weizhong, UB 40 kunlun UB 60 > > > > > > > >Headaches - baihui, DU 20 taiyang Extra points at temples > > > > >High blood pressure - quze, PC 3 chize Lu 5 > > > > >Extreme heat - shixuan (finger tips) and shierjing (12 spring points) > > >These would be the second point from the end of each meridian. (I believe > > >there are no exceptions.. GB? Cant' recall offhand.) > > > > > >-- > > >Al Stone L.Ac. > > ><AlStone > > >http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com > > > > > >Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > > > > _______________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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