Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 Victoria-- The problem with our circadian rhythm operating on 25 hours while the world around us operates on 24 hours really only comes into play when our routines are irregular or we try to sleep at times inconsistent with our biological rhythms. This is particularly true for shift workers or those who travel across different time zones. Dr. Ferber identifies a number of different methods for shifting one's sleep cycle in his book "Solve Your Child's Sleep Problems." The biggest factor is maintaining regularity--particulary maintaining consistent meal times. "A major advance in understanding and treating sleep disorders came when researchers began to view sleep and waking as a rhythm that had to act in harmony with other body rhythms, including body temperature, eating, hormone release, and activity." Penel-- As Dr. Ferber is not a Chinese medicine practitioner, no he did not use TCM's energy diagnosis methods. I would suggest that this might be an excellent opportunity for a TCM researcher to take the 25-hour-circadian rhythm and use the energy diagnosis methods, as you suggest, and work to find bridges between Eastern and Western medicine and theories. Hope I didn't ruffle your feathers... Peace, Jessica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 Did this psychologist Dr. Richard Ferber use TCM's energy diagnosis methods to track what was going on where whenever? I remind you that Shizuto Masunaga was a Western trained psychologist and his books would have us believe that it was he who brought the practice of Japanese shiatsu more in line with TCM meridian theory. What I've seen of Masuaga influenced shiatsu traditions and Japanese accupuncture in general, nothing is quite as arbitrary as it seems with current Chinese methods (that I know of). Points might never be exactly some place. Suggestions are made as to where they could be and its up to the practicioner to take it from there by doing an energetic reading. The same with Meridians. (I can't tell you how many times I've had someone with one big huge Stomach Meridian come walking into my shiatsu studio. Ahhh America!) The Organs might get a suggested two hours but when energetic balance becomes interesting the time of day might always seem to the client as if they are permanently stuck at midnight, early morning, late afternoon or whatever. Its nice when we can assist them to get back the rest of the 24 hour day into their life. Penel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 Ruffled feathers? Heavens no! The last time my teacher Ohashi was in Chicago he taught a class called something like Psycology of Touch which drew heavily from the teachings of Masunaga. I've been studying Ohashiatsu for 5 years now and it was the first time Ohashi has taught that particular class in Chicago. He mentioned he'd only taught it a couple of times in New York and, interestingly, that he'd actually put it together by request for his students in Germany where he's taught it several times. I personally had major experience monitoring " circadian rhythm " from an Eastern viewpoint last year when I'd accepted a mundane work position for a couple of months where the hours were from 11 PM to 7:30 AM. I'd worked nights in the past but never with a knowlege of or much less a way to diagnose by Asian 5 element/pathway Theory. It was quite interesting to watch my Liver manifest classic Eastern symptoms beyond the emotional to physical phenomena and I made it a major part of my personal practice to not let it get out of hand. The people I worked with on those nights this time were clueless of Asian medical theory and but were constantly remarking how " incredibly sane " I seemed to always be (though they did find it strange when they happened to catch me in hiding in a stairwell making energetic adjustments with asanas or in the parking lot during our 4 AM lunch period doing moxa ;-). I should add that in addition to working nights 40 hours a week I was going to school 2 mornings a week, carrying 5 clients a week in my personal practice and working in student clinic one 3 hour evening a week while still maintaining family, house and income property. Penel quite happy to have finished that experiment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 > The problem with our circadian rhythm operating on 25 hours while the world around us operates on 24 hours really only comes into play when our routines are irregular or we try to sleep at times inconsistent with our biological rhythms. Thanks. Another reason for maintaining a regular schedule. Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 Am I the only one that finds this 25 hour cycle hard to believe? How did we evolve to be out of synch with the world around us? And if evolution is true, what positive value does a 25 hour cycle in a 24 hour world give us? Bryon victoria_dragon [sMTP:victoria_dragon] Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:08 PM Chinese Traditional Medicine [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Dr. Ferber stuff > The problem with our circadian rhythm operating on 25 hours while the world around us operates on 24 hours really only comes into play when our routines are irregular or we try to sleep at times inconsistent with our biological rhythms. Thanks. Another reason for maintaining a regular schedule. Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2002 Report Share Posted July 11, 2002 " Brandt, Bryon " <bebrandt wrote: RE: <<Am I the only one that finds this 25 hour cycle hard to believe? How did we evolve to be out of synch with the world around us? And if evolution is true, what positive value does a 25 hour cycle in a 24 hour world give us?>> This might go in the category of way out there, but I've heard of the 25 hour cycle before and it was attributed to our planet having a different orbit. The theory goes that a big chunk of the exploded planet formerly between Saturn and Jupiter knocked Earth out of its original orbit where the daily revolution was 25 hours long. Also, another theory that Earth is slowing down; if it's been doing so for several thousand years, that could explain it as well. I have no proof of these ideas, they're just what I've read. sue Sign up for SBC Dial - First Month Free http://sbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 > This might go in the category of way out there, but > I've heard of the 25 hour cycle before and it was > attributed to our planet having a different orbit. The > theory goes that a big chunk of the exploded planet > formerly between Saturn and Jupiter knocked Earth out > of its original orbit where the daily revolution was > 25 hours long. Also, another theory that Earth is > slowing down; if it's been doing so for several > thousand years, that could explain it as well. I have > no proof of these ideas, they're just what I've read. > > sue well, it does make a good story. Penel who has always felt in her gut that most everyone else wasn't really from this planet ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 Ah-ha! The Earth is slowing down! That now explains why life has sped up!!! ;-) Kit At 11:20 PM 7/11/02 +0000, you wrote: > This might go in the category of way out there, but > I've heard of the 25 hour cycle before and it was > attributed to our planet having a different orbit. The > theory goes that a big chunk of the exploded planet > formerly between Saturn and Jupiter knocked Earth out > of its original orbit where the daily revolution was > 25 hours long. Also, another theory that Earth is > slowing down; if it's been doing so for several > thousand years, that could explain it as well. I have > no proof of these ideas, they're just what I've read. > > sue well, it does make a good story. Penel who has always felt in her gut that most everyone else wasn't really from this planet ;-) Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 Chinese Traditional Medicine, Kit <kitcurtin@e...> wrote: > Ah-ha! > The Earth is slowing down! That now explains why life has sped up!!! > ;-) Kit <G> Well, it might.... The vibrational frequency of the earth has increased, however; maybe explains why so many people can't do without their lattes! sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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