Guest guest Posted May 5, 2001 Report Share Posted May 5, 2001 > > > how come everytime somebody posts to the group it shows up 1 or 5 days later > > also make sure that you aren't receiving daily or weekly " digests " . Check with the " groups " site where you . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 For what it's worth, my bachelor's degree was in Psychology from UW-Madison. I enjoy finding parallels between the study of the mind, the body, and the study of both through TCM. Dr. Richard Ferber, a psychologist renowned for his work with children's sleep disorders, determined that the human biological clock actually functions on 25-hours. The fact that our bodies operate on 25 hours, while the planet is on 24 hours, is believed to contribute to some of the disorders seen in psychological avenues. Just an interesting 2 cents to plug into this thread... Peace, Jessica - bonmotSarah Chinese Traditional Medicine Tuesday, July 09, 2002 4:31 PM Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Digest Number 575 Hello Marcos,I meant that the TCM observation of exact two hour cycles for body organs, as is taught by many schools, is arbitrary (body organs probably roughly follow this system, but I doubt if there is a stop watch in the body which is precise down to the minute and second). In other words, this twelve hour organ clock is a way of organizing what has been observed by some ancient TCM practitioners to treat illness with some sort of precision, but I do not believe it can be precise down to the minute and second for each body organ. In this sense I feel that just as the hours, minutes and seconds are assigned to a twenty-four hour day by human observation of the earth's rotation, this too, is an arbitrary way of assigning some sort of order and meaning to that which might otherwise be confusing and chaotic ( it allows us to organize our lives into some kind of meaningful albeit linear sense). Anyway, even the way we have organized time is not exactly precise--therefore we have a leap year as a way of keeping this 24 hour day system running smoothly. Just as we now are gaining an understanding of time as truly being nonlinear, I feel that what Al is sharing here is another way of understanding TCM treatment which is somehow layered over the twelve hour meridian clock, but does not necessarily exclude its usefulness. Sarah :)As written by:Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:09:55 -0300 (ART) marcos lacerda <ishk18The times of the organs are from the astronomy/astrology part ofTCM. and have to do with the correspondence of the Yin and Yangpredominating during the day/night. It's not arbitrary at alland was made through observation and experience.Marcos Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 Hello Marcos, I meant that the TCM observation of exact two hour cycles for body organs, as is taught by many schools, is arbitrary (body organs probably roughly follow this system, but I doubt if there is a stop watch in the body which is precise down to the minute and second). In other words, this twelve hour organ clock is a way of organizing what has been observed by some ancient TCM practitioners to treat illness with some sort of precision, but I do not believe it can be precise down to the minute and second for each body organ. In this sense I feel that just as the hours, minutes and seconds are assigned to a twenty-four hour day by human observation of the earth's rotation, this too, is an arbitrary way of assigning some sort of order and meaning to that which might otherwise be confusing and chaotic ( it allows us to organize our lives into some kind of meaningful albeit linear sense). Anyway, even the way we have organized time is not exactly precise--therefore we have a leap year as a way of keeping this 24 hour day system running smoothly. Just as we now are gaining an understanding of time as truly being nonlinear, I feel that what Al is sharing here is another way of understanding TCM treatment which is somehow layered over the twelve hour meridian clock, but does not necessarily exclude its usefulness. Sarah As written by: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:09:55 -0300 (ART) marcos lacerda <ishk18 The times of the organs are from the astronomy/astrology part of TCM. and have to do with the correspondence of the Yin and Yang predominating during the day/night. It's not arbitrary at all and was made through observation and experience. Marcos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 Dr. Richard Ferber, a psychologist renowned for his work with children's sleep disorders, determined that the human biological clock actually functions on 25-hours. The fact that our bodies operate on 25 hours, while the planet is on 24 hours, is believed to contribute to some of the disorders seen in psychological avenues. Just an interesting 2 cents to plug into this thread... Thanks, Jessica. Does he have any suggestions for correcting the imbalance? Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 Dear Victoria and all, I don't think this is an imbalance. This seemingly physiological cycle was found in healthy grownups in experiments, where people stayed for a while in underground rooms without clocks and away from daylight. They could sleep, wake, do whatever they wanted (away from daylight) within their own time - don't know whether they interacted much with each other. But in the end they more or less leveled in on a 25 hour " day " . Still, the fact that lots of us with a regular life style tend to wake up 5 minutes before the alarm clock suggests that we somehow managed to adapt to our earth turning once in a cycle we count in 24 hours... Just my 1 1/2 pence. Best regards from Germany Rebecca > Dr. Richard Ferber, a psychologist renowned for his work with > children's sleep disorders, determined that the human biological > clock actually functions on 25-hours. The fact that our bodies > operate on 25 hours, while the planet is on 24 hours, is believed to > contribute to some of the disorders seen in psychological avenues. > Just an interesting 2 cents to plug into this thread... > > Thanks, Jessica. Does he have any suggestions for correcting the > imbalance? > > Victoria > > > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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