Guest guest Posted July 5, 2002 Report Share Posted July 5, 2002 Hi. I'm on vacation right now and will be back July 29. Regards /Jan-Erik >>> Chinese Traditional Medicine 07/05/02 16:42 >>> Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine ------ There are 3 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Interior problems Lázaro Rodríguez <lrneninger 2. Re: Digest Number 570 bonmotSarah 3. Re: Interior problems " victoria_dragon " <victoria_dragon ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Thu, 4 Jul 2002 22:54:50 +0200 (CEST) Lázaro Rodríguez <lrneninger Re: Interior problems Although it is posible that an external factor like wind or cold invade our body , we prefer consider emotional factors as the main causes of internal deseases cause they affect directly energy , blood and fluid metabolism that is why they produce conditions sililars to those produce for external factors. they say rage make Qi regurgitate; joy make Qi armonious worry make Qi stagnate, sadness make Qi disipated, fear make Qi to sink. When we talk about internal wind most of time we talk of dampness for worry that stagnate Qi , then wood is unable to drain drain eath then regurgitation of qi take place. Remember if Qi is unable to circulate blood or fluid will not be able either. lrneninger ===== Dr.L Rodríguez Neninger Ballet Tv Cuba telef 537-797255Especialista en Medicina Holistica(Acupuntura,Masaje,Dieta,Herbologia chinas) Domicilio:Telef 537-95-4446 lrneninger _____________ Copa del Mundo de la FIFA 2002 El único lugar de Internet con vídeos de los 64 partidos. ¡Apúntante ya! en http://fifaworldcup./fc/es/ ______________________ ______________________ Message: 2 Thu, 4 Jul 2002 20:03:32 EDT bonmotSarah Re: Digest Number 570 Wow, Al, thank you so much for your lengthy reply. I find this way of looking at TCM very different, and it must be very challenging to form a newer understanding of TCM using an ancient text. I think I understand your time of day theory a little bit from your explanation, but since you are dividing the day up in to six parts, could you tell me how the hours of the day run using this particular theory? Does it go from 12-4 a.m., 4-8 a.m, 8 a.m.-12noon p.m., 12 p.m-4 p.m, 4 p.m-8 p.m., 8 p.m-12 a.m? I am pretty certain that this is all arbitrary and man made time imposed on the body, as indeed are the designations of hours and minutes themselves. I am all for new ideas and interpretations whenever they are backed up by clinical practice as you are doing. I think this is what attracts me to Chinese medicine as opposed to Western medicine, for it seem to me that much of TCM is based on clinical experience and observation rather than science and abstract theories. Unfortunately, TCM appears to be extremely murky, as if many of its practitioners deliberately hid their true meanings within their writings. I have begun to understand some of this thinking after seeing how this culture seems to enjoy intrigue and drama. I expect there was a certain amount of MSU, even in ancient China, if only to mislead rivals. I am not even going to get into the fact that current Western medicine probably does the same thing with just as much frequency. I wish that I could say I was getting all better with my practitioner, but I seem to languish about where I am now, with feet that get cold every night about 8 p.m. This lasts until I go to sleep and start to warm up with covers. I have been working on this off and on now for about two years. I plan to study your post at greater length, and I do thank you for the time you took to reply to me. The more I learn the more I learn that I need to learn more. Sarah ______________________ ______________________ Message: 3 Fri, 05 Jul 2002 11:47:09 -0000 " victoria_dragon " <victoria_dragon Re: Interior problems Chinese Traditional Medicine, Lázaro Rodríguez <lrneninger> wrote: > Although it is posible that an external factor like > wind or cold invade our body , we prefer consider > emotional factors as the main causes of internal > deseases cause they affect directly energy , blood > and fluid metabolism that is why they produce > conditions sililars to those produce for external > factors. Somewhere in some of my packed up books (I think one of the Maciocia texts) there is a good summation of factors that can trigger imbalance. These also include diet and herbs. For example, if someone eats too many foods and herbs with warming energy, the person can become too hot (Excess Heat - from the food and herbs). Some people are born with constitutional weaknesses. These include Western-defined genetic disorders as well as weak Jing, a tendency to certain TCM imbalances, etc. Physical deformities that an individual is born with also can incline a person toward certain imbalances. For example, a club foot, a crooked spine, etc. can interfere with the proper flow of Qi and Blood among other things. Trauma to the body from accidents, surgery, fights, etc. can produce Blood Stasis and Qi Stagnation which in time trigger other imbalances if left untreated. The ancient Chinese also recognized air quality as a factor in health and illness. They wrote of different " mists " and the effects that these can have. I know I'm forgetting some of the factors here, and hope others will jump in and finish the list. > we prefer consider > emotional factors as the main causes of internal > deseases cause they affect directly energy , blood > and fluid metabolism that is why they produce > conditions sililars to those produce for external > factors. They do. They affect Qi and Qi flow. (I'm emphasizing this for the readers who are new to TCM.) > they say > rage make Qi regurgitate; > joy make Qi armonious > worry make Qi stagnate, > sadness make Qi disipated, > fear make Qi to sink. An example of fear causing Qi to sink is someone who wets his or her pants when frightened. This is a dramatic example, but there are many more. For example, the loss of energy in a person who is sad, depressed, or grieving. When we observe someone who is sad or grieving, it's like something has gone out of the person. It has. The Qi is disipating. I want to caution readers - Americans in particular - that the TCM understanding of the role emotions play in health and illness is far, far more sophisticated than that of the West at present. In the United States (and some other countries) " it's psychological " all too often has become nothing more than a catch-phase for doctors who are too incompetent and/or lazy and greedy and uncaring to figure out what is really wrong with the patient and treat it appropriately. A lot of medical conditions that could be treated go untreated as a result. For example, both my father and sister were diagnosed as being " nervous and depressed " when they had cancer. As a result, proper treatment was delayed. An uncaring and greedy doctor can " see " a lot more patients and make a lot more money telling patients " it's psychological " than if s/he took the time to really listen and figure things out. (I'm not talking about all Western doctors. There are some fine Western doctors who do care and take time. But the greedy and incompetent ones far out-number the caring and competent ones these days. In fairness I also want to point out that some TCM practitioners are uncaring, incompetent, and greedy. The difference is that the medical establishment in the U.S. has de-evolved to the point where it actually favors and promotes lack of caring, the incompetence, and the greed. The framework of TCM does not.) I'll be posting more later on the sophisticated understanding of the mind-body(-emotion-spirit) connection in TCM. I want readers who have been hurt or had loved one who have been hurt by being fobbed off with " it's psychological " to know that the TCM understanding of this connection (and the treatments) is not the same as the sham that all too often is mispracticed (and malpracticed) in Western medicine. Victoria ______________________ ______________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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