3 Yangs - 3 Yins

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Can someone explain in simple words what the 3 Yang - Tai Yang, Yang

Ming, Chao Yang, and 3 Yin - Tai Yin, Tchue Yin and Chao Yin are about ?

 

Thank you

Frederic

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Chinese Traditional Medicine, frederic <fredlecut@e...> wrote:

> Can someone explain in simple words what the 3 Yang - Tai Yang, Yang

> Ming, Chao Yang, and 3 Yin - Tai Yin, Tchue Yin and Chao Yin are

about ?

 

There are 12 main meridians (pathways of Qi flow). Tai Yang, Yang

Ming, Shao/ Chao Yang, etc. are pairs of meridians. For example Tai

Yang is the Bladder and Small Intestine.

 

Usually you'll see the terms used in talking about the 6 stages of

Cold-Induced Evils (feverish conditions - common cold, etc.). The Tai

Yang Stage is the least serious stage, followed by Shao (Chao) Yang,

followed by Yang Ming, followed by the Yin stages. As the illness

progresses from Tai Yang to Shao Yang to Yang Ming, etc., the

condition gets more and more Interior and more and more serious.

(I'll explain what Exterior and Interior are later.)

 

Treatment will vary according to what stage the illness is in. For

example, what is appropriate for the Tai Yang stage - inducing

sweating so the Evil can be driven out - is totally inappropriate for

other stages and can make the person sicker.

 

In the past writers have applied the terms mainly to Cold-Induced,

feverish conditions (infections), but more and more articles are

appearing on other Perncious Evils (Heat, Damp, Dryness, Wind)

invading the body and following the Tai Yang to Shao Yang to Yang

Ming, etc. sequence as they move deeper and deeper into the body.

(I'm forwaring in one of these articles for the students on the list.)

 

The Tai Yang stage is totally Exterior. In the Shao Yang stage the

Evil is starting to invade the Interior of the body. The illness has

gone still deeper into the Interior in the Yang Ming stage. The

Exterior is compised of the skin, muscles, head, neck, arms, legs,

and meridians. The Interior is the trunk of the body. (There is a

very early post that goes into more detail about Exteior and

Interior.)

 

At first the Exterior Evil will affect only the Exterior of the body -

the head (as in headaches, runny and congested nose), sore and

aching mucles, stiff neck, etc. But as the Evil moves deeper into

the body, the trunk of the body and the Organs will begin to be

affected. The horrible headaches I used to have were due to Exteior

Evil invading the body - in my case Wind, Cold, and sometimes Damp.

They started out with just the head hurting and neck muscles

stiffening. But as they progressed (Evil moved into the Interior),

the nausea would start. I not only learned to stop the headaches

(something a shot of Demerol in the Emergency Room couldn't do), I

decreased the tendency to the headaches with acupressure. In my case

most of the appropriate points were on the Bladder and Small

Intestine meridians. (Note: The Bladder and Small Intestine meridians

are the Tai Yang meridians, the most Exterior of the meridians as

well as stages.) If the Evil had invaded to the Stomach, I had to add

other points to get rid of the nausea and drive the Evil completely

out. (Note: Not all headaches are due to Evil Invading the body.

Different headaches have different Roots and treatments. Books can

and have been written just on the subject of different causes of

headaches and the appropriate treatments for each.)

 

Arthritis is an example of Exterior Evils (Cold, Wind, and/or Damp)

invading the body. Interesting, when I was still a teenager, a

Western M.D. told me that the headaches I already had been suffering

for several years were due to arthritis in the neck.

 

Herbs also can be used to get rid of Evils which have invaded the

body and are moving/ have moved to the Interior.

 

The exact sequence of the stages and meridians will differ according

to if Cold-Induced Evils or other things are being discussed.

Sometimes stages are skipped - for example moving straight from Tai

Yang into Yang Ming. Sometimes the illness will move backward and

forward through stages. Sometime, the Evil will get stuck in the Shao

(Chao) Yang stage, partly Exterior, partly Interior. The important

thing to remember is that treatment will vary according to which

stage the Evil is in, and what helps in one stage can make a person

sicker in another.

 

Probably more info than you wanted, but I knew others would be

interested in the subject too.

 

Victoria

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Good Lord Victoria - this is exactly what I wanted - something a little

more clear than what you get in the big books !

So the disease progresses from Exterior to Interior in the order :

Tai Yang

Shao Yang

Yang Ming ...

But then, how do you know where the disease has reached ?

Frederic

victoria_dragon wrote:

Chinese Traditional Medicine, frederic <fredlecut@e...>

wrote:

> Can someone explain in simple words what the 3 Yang - Tai Yang,

Yang

> Ming, Chao Yang, and 3 Yin - Tai Yin, Tchue Yin and Chao Yin

are

about ?

There are 12 main meridians (pathways of Qi flow). Tai Yang, Yang

Ming, Shao/ Chao Yang, etc. are pairs of meridians. For example

Tai

Yang is the Bladder and Small Intestine.

Usually you'll see the terms used in talking about the 6 stages

of

Cold-Induced Evils (feverish conditions - common cold, etc.). The

Tai

Yang Stage is the least serious stage, followed by Shao (Chao)

Yang,

followed by Yang Ming, followed by the Yin stages. As the illness

progresses from Tai Yang to Shao Yang to Yang Ming, etc., the

condition gets more and more Interior and more and more serious.

(I'll explain what Exterior and Interior are later.)

Treatment will vary according to what stage the illness is in.

For

example, what is appropriate for the Tai Yang stage - inducing

sweating so the Evil can be driven out - is totally inappropriate

for

other stages and can make the person sicker.

In the past writers have applied the terms mainly to Cold-Induced,

feverish conditions (infections), but more and more articles are

appearing on other Perncious Evils (Heat, Damp, Dryness, Wind)

invading the body and following the Tai Yang to Shao Yang to Yang

Ming, etc. sequence as they move deeper and deeper into the body.

(I'm forwaring in one of these articles for the students on the

list.)

The Tai Yang stage is totally Exterior. In the Shao Yang stage the

Evil is starting to invade the Interior of the body. The illness

has

gone still deeper into the Interior in the Yang Ming stage. The

Exterior is compised of the skin, muscles, head, neck, arms, legs,

and meridians. The Interior is the trunk of the body. (There is

a

very early post that goes into more detail about Exteior and

Interior.)

At first the Exterior Evil will affect only the Exterior of the

body -

the head (as in headaches, runny and congested nose), sore and

aching mucles, stiff neck, etc. But as the Evil moves deeper

into

the body, the trunk of the body and the Organs will begin to be

affected. The horrible headaches I used to have were due to Exteior

Evil invading the body - in my case Wind, Cold, and sometimes Damp.

They started out with just the head hurting and neck muscles

stiffening. But as they progressed (Evil moved into the Interior),

the nausea would start. I not only learned to stop the headaches

(something a shot of Demerol in the Emergency Room couldn't do),

I

decreased the tendency to the headaches with acupressure.

In my case

most of the appropriate points were on the Bladder and Small

Intestine meridians. (Note: The Bladder and Small Intestine meridians

are the Tai Yang meridians, the most Exterior of the meridians

as

well as stages.) If the Evil had invaded to the Stomach, I had

to add

other points to get rid of the nausea and drive the Evil completely

out. (Note: Not all headaches are due to Evil Invading the body.

Different headaches have different Roots and treatments.

Books can

and have been written just on the subject of different causes of

headaches and the appropriate treatments for each.)

Arthritis is an example of Exterior Evils (Cold, Wind, and/or Damp)

invading the body. Interesting, when I was still a teenager, a

Western M.D. told me that the headaches I already had been suffering

for several years were due to arthritis in the neck.

Herbs also can be used to get rid of Evils which have invaded the

body and are moving/ have moved to the Interior.

The exact sequence of the stages and meridians will differ according

to if Cold-Induced Evils or other things are being discussed.

Sometimes stages are skipped - for example moving straight from

Tai

Yang into Yang Ming. Sometimes the illness will move backward and

forward through stages. Sometime, the Evil will get stuck in the

Shao

(Chao) Yang stage, partly Exterior, partly Interior. The important

thing to remember is that treatment will vary according to which

stage the Evil is in, and what helps in one stage can make a person

sicker in another.

Probably more info than you wanted, but I knew others would be

interested in the subject too.

Victoria

 

 

 

 

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frederic wrote:

>

> Can someone explain in simple words what the 3 Yang - Tai Yang, Yang

> Ming, Chao Yang, and 3 Yin - Tai Yin, Tchue Yin and Chao Yin are about ?

 

Victoria has answered the question from the Shang Han Lun pathology

perspective. I'd like to pull back and look at the bigger issue a bit...

 

If you take yin and yang and split each into thirds, you have the following:

 

Shao Yin

Tai Yin

Jue Yin

Shao Yang

Tai Yang

Yang Ming

 

So, shao yin is little yin. Think of it as just a little bit of the

nightime, like early evening.

 

Tai yin is very night, in fact it would be hard to get any darker. This

is like midnight.

 

Jue Yin is the phase where ultimate yin becomes yang. This is the wee

hours of the morning up until the dawn.

 

Shao Yang means little yang and is associated with the morning time in a

natural sort of basis. (I'm not talking bout circadian rhythms or the

meridian clock which is somewhat different.)

 

Tai Yang means big yang (also, the word for " sun " in manderine is tai

yang). This would be around noon, when the sun is the most bright and dominant.

 

Yang Ming is the later afternoon where ultimate yang becomes yin. It is

the hottest part of the day and the part of the day that ultimately

gives way to dusk.

 

So, there are your six descriptions and the time of the day as a sort of

illustrations. In the human body we have yin channels and organs, and

we have yang channels and organs. The organs and channels are attached

obviously.

 

But the organs kind of resonate with these six differentiations of yin

and yang. Shao Yang organs and meridians include the San Jiao (Triple

burner) and the Gall Bladder. According to the Shang Han Lun,

pathologies of these organs can arise or be expasperated during the

morning hours.

 

The Tai Yang organ/channels are the Urinary Bladder, and Small

Intestine. Pathologies in these organs may be aggravated during the

mid-day time of the day.

 

The Yang Ming organ/channels are the Stomach and Large Intestine. The

energy in these meridians is strongest during the late afternoon. I

tell my IBS patients that if they need to eat things that are difficult

to digest such as raw vegies, that this is the best time of day to do so

since the heat energy of the day can help digest the cold food.

 

The Shao Yin part of the day is where we're going to see Kidney or Heart

problems manifest.

 

Tai Yin is for Lungs and Spleen.

 

Finally, Jue Yin is associated with the Liver and Pericardium. I find

it interesting that those with the Liver Blood deficiency or Liver Qi

stagnation type insomnia will awaken early but be unable to fall back to

sleep. They'll awaken during this Jue Yin part of the day and find

themselves planning out their day ahead instead of sleeping. Planning is

a very Livery activity.

 

Breaking up the 24 hour clock into 6 sections is, as I mentioned

earlier, not the usual way that this is taught. The usual meridian clock

gives each meridian two hours beginning with the Lungs at... what is it,

5 to 7 am? and going through each following meridian for two hours. I

don't find that method as resonant with nature such as I've described

above, and so when I hear of a pathology that is aggravated or made

better during a certain period of the day, I think about the nature of

that period of the day and which organ/meridians resonate with that nature.

 

--

Al Stone L.Ac.

<AlStone

http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com

 

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

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Chinese Traditional Medicine, frederic <fredlecut@e...> wrote:

> So the disease progresses from Exterior to Interior in the order :

> Tai Yang

> Shao Yang

> Yang Ming ...

 

Yes.

 

> But then, how do you know where the disease has reached ?

 

By the symptoms. For example, the Yang stages are characterized by

fever and/or feeling hot. Predominate feelings of cold is

characteristic of the Yin stages. This is not the alternating fever

and chills of the earliest stages when the Qi is still strong enough

to battle the invading Evil. When the Yin stages are reached, the

body is starting to give out.

 

There are detailed lists of symptoms at each stage. Unfortunately I

can't trust my memory on this one, and most of my books still are

packed up. If memory serves, the Yang Ming (Bright Yang) stage is one

where there can be a lot of thrashing around from the fever and even

delirium. The lips may be black. The fever goes high. There is

damage to the Nutritive Qi. One does not want to induce sweating at

this stage because it will weaken the Qi too much.

 

In contrast, diaphoresis (sweating) is the treatment for the Tai Yang

and I believe the Shao Yang stage. Some texts will give the example

of a thief in the house. When a thief (Evil) is in your house (body),

you don't want to close and lock the doors and windows (pores). You

want those windows wide open so the thief can get out. If he's

trapped in the house, he can turn even more destructive. He can go

deeper into the house.

 

In general, Exterior conditions are less serious and easier to treat

than Interior conditions. The deeper an Evil has gone, the longer it

has stayed, the harder it is to treat and the longer it takes to

treat. But I caution people that just because something is at the

Tai Yang stage, this does not mean that it is not plenty debilitating

and extremely painful. Those headaches I used to have were very

crippling and very painful.

 

Victoria

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victoria_dragon wrote:

 

> There are detailed lists of symptoms at each stage. Unfortunately I

> can't trust my memory on this one, and most of my books still are

> packed up.

 

I can't trust my memory even when I *do* have access to my books. : )

 

> If memory serves, the Yang Ming (Bright Yang) stage is one

> where there can be a lot of thrashing around from the fever and even

> delirium. The lips may be black. The fever goes high. There is

> damage to the Nutritive Qi. One does not want to induce sweating at

> this stage because it will weaken the Qi too much.

 

This sounds a lot like the Ying stage heat of the four divisions (wen

bing) paradigm. I've seen Yang Ming disease characterized by the " Four

Bigs " which are big thirst, big fever, big pulse, and big sweating. Now

that's the Yang Ming channel heat. This heat can travel from the channel

into the Yang Ming organs as well. Specifically the Large Intestine

where it will manifest with the four big symptoms, plus constipation.

 

--

Al Stone L.Ac.

<AlStone

http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com

 

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Al.

 

> This sounds a lot like the Ying stage heat of the four divisions

(wen

> bing) paradigm. I've seen Yang Ming disease characterized by

the " Four

> Bigs " which are big thirst, big fever, big pulse, and big

sweating. Now

> that's the Yang Ming channel heat. This heat can travel from the

channel

> into the Yang Ming organs as well. Specifically the Large Intestine

> where it will manifest with the four big symptoms, plus

constipation.

 

Thanks for bringing up another point: There are subdivisions of some

the the stages based on meridian or Organ involvement. If the Organs

are involved, this is more severe and serious than if the meridian is

involved.

 

For those new to TCM, there are the 6 stages of Cold-Induced Evils

and the 4 divisions of the Virulent Heat Evil.

 

Over the centuries, Chinese medicine evolved to deal with new

problems. As China began to have more and more contact with others

outside of China, a new type of feverish condition was seen. The 6

stages of Cold-Induced Evil no longer was enough to explain what was

happening or why or how to treat it. This new Evil was so strong

that it could overwhelm a person with even strong Protective Qi.

Thus, the Virulent Heat Evil model was developed.

 

Sometimes there will be some overlap between the stages and the

divisions of the two. Adding to the confusion is that the experts

don't always agree on what a particular Western-defined infection

is. For example, I've seen mononucleosis (glandular fever) listed as

Cold-Induced in some writings and as Virulent Heat Evil in other

writings. Perhaps part of the confusion is due to there being more

than one virus that can cause mono. According to figures from the

NIH (National Institute of Health), 90% of the cases of mono are

caused by the Epstein Barr virus (EBV), and most of the remaining 10%

are due to Cytomegalovirus (CMV). CMV-induced mononucleosis can also

mimic symptoms of hepatitis (though not always). CMV is a

particularly nasty virus. It's what kills most transplant patients

who die as the result of transplant.

 

Victoria