Guest guest Posted June 19, 2002 Report Share Posted June 19, 2002 Hello, i am new to this board, so be kind, i am interested in any information/experience you here in this forum have had with various herbs/tonics that are found in Chinese/oriental medicine ( i have used oriental simply because some of the remdies/tonics i have come across are from other cultures...). Let me give you some background so that you know why i am asking this, i am a martial artist. I do various conditioning and strength excercises that involve the use of various herbs, medicines, tonics. I have a limited knowledge of the properties of these herbs, only the experience that comes with the use of them, unfortunately i am no longer satisfied with the answer of " it works therefore use it, don't worry why it works " explanation......now, i am going to provide you with some of the names that i know of these herbs, and maybe you can explain to me how they " fit in " with TCM (traditional chinese medicine??) and why these herbs when mixed together (in and yo, ying and yang properties) help not only to heal bruises, sprains and such, but how they work as far as cultivating things such as chi/qi. Warrior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2002 Report Share Posted June 19, 2002 In a message dated 6/19/02 6:13:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, victoria_dragon writes: in and yo, ying and yang properties In Yo is the Japanese Yin Yang is the Chinese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2002 Report Share Posted June 19, 2002 Heya, SW, We meet again. : ) Here's an article you might find interesting: http://www.Acupuncture.com/Herbology/pain.htm -al. samurai_warrior_2002 wrote: > > Hello, i am new to this board, so be kind, i am interested in any > information/experience you here in this forum have had with various > herbs/tonics that are found in Chinese/oriental medicine ( i have > used oriental simply because some of the remdies/tonics i have come > across are from other cultures...). Let me give you some background > so that you know why i am asking this, i am a martial artist. I do > various conditioning and strength excercises that involve the use of > various herbs, medicines, tonics. I have a limited knowledge of the > properties of these herbs, only the experience that comes with the > use of them, unfortunately i am no longer satisfied with the answer > of " it works therefore use it, don't worry why it works " > explanation......now, i am going to provide you with some of the > names that i know of these herbs, and maybe you can explain to me how > they " fit in " with TCM (traditional chinese medicine??) and why these > herbs when mixed together (in and yo, ying and yang properties) help > not only to heal bruises, sprains and such, but how they work as far > as cultivating things such as chi/qi. > > Warrior > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2002 Report Share Posted June 19, 2002 greetings!! how are things? so, what what is your opinion on this subject? Warrior Chinese Traditional Medicine, Al Stone <alstone@b...> wrote: > Heya, SW, > > We meet again. : ) > > Here's an article you might find interesting: > http://www.Acupuncture.com/Herbology/pain.htm > > -al. > > samurai_warrior_2002 wrote: > > > > Hello, i am new to this board, so be kind, i am interested in any > > information/experience you here in this forum have had with various > > herbs/tonics that are found in Chinese/oriental medicine ( i have > > used oriental simply because some of the remdies/tonics i have come > > across are from other cultures...). Let me give you some background > > so that you know why i am asking this, i am a martial artist. I do > > various conditioning and strength excercises that involve the use of > > various herbs, medicines, tonics. I have a limited knowledge of the > > properties of these herbs, only the experience that comes with the > > use of them, unfortunately i am no longer satisfied with the answer > > of " it works therefore use it, don't worry why it works " > > explanation......now, i am going to provide you with some of the > > names that i know of these herbs, and maybe you can explain to me how > > they " fit in " with TCM (traditional chinese medicine??) and why these > > herbs when mixed together (in and yo, ying and yang properties) help > > not only to heal bruises, sprains and such, but how they work as far > > as cultivating things such as chi/qi. > > > > Warrior > > > > > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine@o... > > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine-@o... > > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine-@o... > > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner@o... > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2002 Report Share Posted June 19, 2002 Tell you what, ask a specific question and I'll do my best to answer. -al. samurai_warrior_2002 wrote: > > greetings!! how are things? so, what what is your opinion on this > subject? > > Warrior > Chinese Traditional Medicine, Al Stone <alstone@b...> wrote: > > Heya, SW, > > > > We meet again. : ) > > > > Here's an article you might find interesting: > > http://www.Acupuncture.com/Herbology/pain.htm > > > > -al. > > > > samurai_warrior_2002 wrote: > > > > > > Hello, i am new to this board, so be kind, i am interested in any > > > information/experience you here in this forum have had with > various > > > herbs/tonics that are found in Chinese/oriental medicine ( i have > > > used oriental simply because some of the remdies/tonics i have > come > > > across are from other cultures...). Let me give you some > background > > > so that you know why i am asking this, i am a martial artist. I do > > > various conditioning and strength excercises that involve the use > of > > > various herbs, medicines, tonics. I have a limited knowledge of > the > > > properties of these herbs, only the experience that comes with the > > > use of them, unfortunately i am no longer satisfied with the > answer > > > of " it works therefore use it, don't worry why it works " > > > explanation......now, i am going to provide you with some of the > > > names that i know of these herbs, and maybe you can explain to me > how > > > they " fit in " with TCM (traditional chinese medicine??) and why > these > > > herbs when mixed together (in and yo, ying and yang properties) > help > > > not only to heal bruises, sprains and such, but how they work as > far > > > as cultivating things such as chi/qi. > > > > > > Warrior > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine@o... > > > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine-@o... > > > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine-@o... > > > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner@o... > > > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2002 Report Share Posted June 19, 2002 Hi samurai_warrior, There are plenty of people on this list new to TCM as well as students and professionals. So I'm going into some basics here for all those new to TCM. You already may know some of this. TCM herbs are classified according to the main property of the herb. For example, there are Qi tonic herbs. A tonic herb is one which will provide or engender what the person is Deficient in - such as Qi, Blood (Xue), Yin, or Yang. Most Qi tonic herbs target the Spleen and the Lungs because these are the most important systems in Qi. The Spleen extracts the Qi from the food you eat (Grain Qi) and carries it to the Lungs where it mixes with Air Qi. If either the Spleen or Lungs is weak and unable to perform this job properly, the person becomes Qi Deficient. (Not the only possible cause of Qi Deficiency, but the main one. Note: The TCM definition of the Spleen, the Lungs, (the Kidneys, the Heart, the Stomach, etc.) is different from the anatomical organs in Western physiology. That's why the words are capitalized. To alert readers to this difference.) Another classification of herbs is those that Regulate the Blood. Subdivisions of this class of herbs are Herbs That Stop Bleeding and Herbs That Invigorate the Blood. The latter are used in cases of Blood Stasis. One cause of Blood Stasis is trauma to the body - like blows to the body. Some of the other classifications of herbs include Herbs That Clear Heat, Herbs That Drain Dampness, Herbs That Dispel Wind-Dampness, Herbs That Regulate Qi (get it moving properly in cases of Qi Stagnation), Herbs That Warm the Interior and Expel Coild, Yin Tonic Herbs, Blood Tonic Herbs, and Yang Tonic Herbs. There are other classes besides these. >now, i am going to provide you with some of the > names that i know of these herbs, and maybe you can explain to me how > they " fit in " with TCM (traditional chinese medicine??) and why these > herbs when mixed together (in and yo, ying and yang properties) help > not only to heal bruises, sprains and such, but how they work as far > as cultivating things such as chi/qi. Do you mean Yin? Yin cools and calms the body. Without enough Yin, people are agitated. It's hard for them to meditate - if they can manage it at all. They also feel too hot. Yang warms and activates the body. Without enough Yang, people are fatigued and feel too cold. The Kidneys supply the Yin and Yang for the rest of the body. Therefore, most Yin tonic and Yang tonic herbs target the Kidneys. Ying also is called Nutritive Qi. This is the Qi that circulates deep within the body and nourishes. Wei, aka Protective Qi, circulates at the surface of the body and gives protection against Exterior Evils like Wind, Dampness, Hot, Cold, and Dryness (weather sensitivity) and some infectious diseases. I'm not familiar with yo. The TCM Materia Medica (list of healing substances used) also tells what the termal energy of the herb is - hot, warm, neutral, cool, or cold. This can be very important in choosing an herb or formula. For example, if someone is too Hot, one would not give the person an herb with hot or warm energy which will cause the person to be even hotter. At least not without mixing it with enough herbs with cool or cold energy to bring the thermal energy of the mixture as a whole down to neutral or cool. The Materia Medica also lists which Organs the herbs target. Herbs will have an affinity for specific Organs and meridians. Like in the case of most Qi tonic herbs specifically targeting the Spleen and Lungs. So what happens if the properties of a particular herb needs to be gotten to a System it doesn't target? One can mix the herb with another herb which is called a " guide " herb. Some " herbs " have the property of guiding other herbs to a specific Organ. For example, salt will direct properties of other herbs to the Kidneys.Bupleurium (chai hu) will " guide " the properties of other herbs to the Liver. Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2002 Report Share Posted June 20, 2002 > In Yo is the Japanese > Yin Yang is the Chinese Thanks. Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2002 Report Share Posted June 20, 2002 in and yo are (as far as i know) are the japanese translation of yin/yang energy, everything that you have stated here goes along with what little i do know in the sense that i understand that the tonics/linaments promote better blood flow, thus increasing faster healing...that the introduction of of the herbs through the skin allows for quicker absorbtion into the blood stream allowing for certain herbs to be distributed to prevent blood stagnation, bruising, strengthing ligaments, increasing bone density.....i have to get you guys some of the actual ingredient names in order to go further, your explanation has shed a lot of light, i think i am on the right track here, i will give you some more info later... Warrior Chinese Traditional Medicine, " victoria_dragon " <victoria_dragon@h...> wrote: > Hi samurai_warrior, > > There are plenty of people on this list new to TCM as well as > students and professionals. So I'm going into some basics here for > all those new to TCM. You already may know some of this. > > TCM herbs are classified according to the main property of the herb. > For example, there are Qi tonic herbs. A tonic herb is one which > will provide or engender what the person is Deficient in - such as > Qi, Blood (Xue), Yin, or Yang. Most Qi tonic herbs target the Spleen > and the Lungs because these are the most important systems in Qi. The > Spleen extracts the Qi from the food you eat (Grain Qi) and carries > it to the Lungs where it mixes with Air Qi. If either the Spleen or > Lungs is weak and unable to perform this job properly, the person > becomes Qi Deficient. (Not the only possible cause of Qi Deficiency, > but the main one. Note: The TCM definition of the Spleen, the Lungs, > (the Kidneys, the Heart, the Stomach, etc.) is different from the > anatomical organs in Western physiology. That's why the words are > capitalized. To alert readers to this difference.) > > Another classification of herbs is those that Regulate the Blood. > Subdivisions of this class of herbs are Herbs That Stop Bleeding and > Herbs That Invigorate the Blood. The latter are used in cases of > Blood Stasis. One cause of Blood Stasis is trauma to the body - like > blows to the body. > > Some of the other classifications of herbs include Herbs That Clear > Heat, Herbs That Drain Dampness, Herbs That Dispel Wind-Dampness, > Herbs That Regulate Qi (get it moving properly in cases of Qi > Stagnation), Herbs That Warm the Interior and Expel Coild, Yin Tonic > Herbs, Blood Tonic Herbs, and Yang Tonic Herbs. There are other > classes besides these. > > >now, i am going to provide you with some of the > > names that i know of these herbs, and maybe you can explain to me > how > > they " fit in " with TCM (traditional chinese medicine??) and why > these > > herbs when mixed together (in and yo, ying and yang properties) > help > > not only to heal bruises, sprains and such, but how they work as > far > > as cultivating things such as chi/qi. > > Do you mean Yin? > > Yin cools and calms the body. Without enough Yin, people are > agitated. It's hard for them to meditate - if they can manage it at > all. They also feel too hot. > > Yang warms and activates the body. Without enough Yang, people are > fatigued and feel too cold. > > The Kidneys supply the Yin and Yang for the rest of the body. > Therefore, most Yin tonic and Yang tonic herbs target the Kidneys. > > Ying also is called Nutritive Qi. This is the Qi that circulates deep > within the body and nourishes. Wei, aka Protective Qi, circulates at > the surface of the body and gives protection against Exterior Evils > like Wind, Dampness, Hot, Cold, and Dryness (weather sensitivity) and > some infectious diseases. > > I'm not familiar with yo. > > The TCM Materia Medica (list of healing substances used) also tells > what the termal energy of the herb is - hot, warm, neutral, cool, or > cold. This can be very important in choosing an herb or formula. > For example, if someone is too Hot, one would not give the person an > herb with hot or warm energy which will cause the person to be even > hotter. At least not without mixing it with enough herbs with cool > or cold energy to bring the thermal energy of the mixture as a whole > down to neutral or cool. > > The Materia Medica also lists which Organs the herbs target. Herbs > will have an affinity for specific Organs and meridians. Like in the > case of most Qi tonic herbs specifically targeting the Spleen and > Lungs. So what happens if the properties of a particular herb needs > to be gotten to a System it doesn't target? One can mix the herb > with another herb which is called a " guide " herb. Some " herbs " have > the property of guiding other herbs to a specific Organ. For > example, salt will direct properties of other herbs to the > Kidneys.Bupleurium (chai hu) will " guide " the properties of other > herbs to the Liver. > > Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2002 Report Share Posted June 21, 2002 >i have > to get you guys some of the actual ingredient names in order to go > further Please do because it will add to my knowledge. I know next to nothing about martial arts and the herbs used. But I know that a lot of what is used in martial arts is going to have applications in other situations. For example, bruising from other causes like falls. Thanks. Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2002 Report Share Posted June 21, 2002 lol, believe it or not the bruises rarely come from me falling down, mostly from the abuse i put my body through. Our group is a very physical lot, we have been all studying for years, myself i have been studying since the age of seven, i walk home with all kinds of neat bruises simply from being pummeled, then go down to my " conditioning " room to do some more. There is a lot that can be said about increasing the tolerance to pain, but the most important part that is stressed is also knowing what to do to recover from it. You can say my knowledge comes from several people....i learned basics with a gentleman who first introduced me to the art of accupressure, teaching me the various meridians, dantians, " pressure points " , and ultimately excercises built to increase chi. I do not know how many of you here actually practice, i have rarely never seen any person who studies chinese herbs and medicine who does not at least know of or at least practices tai chi, or ba gua, or hsing yi (sometimes written xing yi)....These are the very oldest of martial systems, two of which from my knowledge not only has what i consider health maitenance excercises, but conditioning as well. The way i was made to understand it was most of these masters back then were usually also the local physician, if you look deep enough into history in any martial art you will find this to be the case. I have found that along with knowing the properties of the herbs, that it was also important to know what kind of physical excercise, for lack of a better way to describe it i will use the term yoga, (now yoga has its own benefits that have nothing with what i do, but believe it or not it is quite similar in other aspects to what i do as my regimen everymorning, you could term it yoga, but with a twist) anyhow, after that i was introduced to herbs by another person, he explained to me basically the stuff all of you speak of here, that the herbs have properties and they assist in various things and effect certain organs....etc....now, i curentlly study with someone that has limited knowledge of herbs and their benefits, but is knowledgable in other areas, he stated that the herbs, excercises, and conditioning were all meant to be done at the same time, that is during the course of the day these were all a part of a martial artists regimen, the maintenance, or stretching/yoga like excercise,(many of them were also breathing excercises built to increase oxygen flow to the blood) then there was of course supplemental and diet issues where herbs, and certain foods are introduced, then was the conditioning where the tendons, ligaments, and bones were strengthend (the maintenance excercises were also designed to do that as well), and herbs, meditation also were introduced during conditioning, to promote chi/qi flow as well as blood flow. So that should give you a very basic idea of what i do, there is of course so much more (isn't there always?) do you in tcm promote excercise along with use of the herbs?? Warrior Chinese Traditional Medicine, " victoria_dragon " <victoria_dragon@h...> wrote: > >i have > > to get you guys some of the actual ingredient names in order to go > > further > > Please do because it will add to my knowledge. I know next to > nothing about martial arts and the herbs used. But I know that a lot > of what is used in martial arts is going to have applications in > other situations. For example, bruising from other causes like falls. > > Thanks. > > Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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