Guest guest Posted May 24, 2002 Report Share Posted May 24, 2002 Victoria....would you elaborate on the magnesium treatments, I am a licensed acupuncturist and find that many of my patients fall in the category of magnesium deficiency....fatigue....muscle aches and cramps...as I am not a nutritionist, I feel out of my arena prescribing magnesium...I have just been telling them in increase their current dosage (if they are on any) according the directions on the label.....any info or links would be greatly appreciated....helen - " victoria_dragon " <victoria_dragon <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Friday, May 24, 2002 12:31 PM [Chinese Traditional Medicine] CFIDS > > I have had something like moderate CFS / adrenal fatigue for over 5 > > years. Gradual onset of symptoms. The worst are sensitivity to cold, > > insomnia, fatigue, sinus and nasal swelling/irritation and excessive > > worry. > > Hi John, > > Do a search in the message base for CFIDS (Chronic Fatigue Immune > Dysfunction Syndrome). I'm one of those PWCs who refuses to call it > CFS because that title makes it sound like we're only tired instead > of conveying how many systems in the body are affected. You might > also want to search for cold and for Yang Deficiency. > > > I've been to the usual collection of healthcare providers, > > looking for help. Most recently, I was going to a TCM practitioner > > locally. Initially, one of the herbal formulas they gave me boosted > > my energy and appetite. > > This is common in PWCs. With few exceptions it's not that the herbs > (or magnesium or B12 or whatever) have stopped working. It's that > something else is needed in addition to what's working. PWCs tend to > have so much wrong with them that it's only with improvement in one > area that the PWC realizes that other things have to be attended to > also. To put this another way, back when I was the sickest, pain > wasn't a big problem for me. The nausea, extreme fatigue and > weakness, and the breathing problems were so overwhelming that they > sort of blotted out awareness of other problems. Plus, I wasn't > moving around much. It was only after I improved to the point where > I could move around some that I realized I had pain problems. It > wasn't that the things I was doing for nausea and for breathing > problems had stopped working. It's that I needed something else. > > Plus, in TCM it's understood that formulas will be changed as the > clinical picture and the needs of the client change. Your healer may > want to keep you on the herbs which have been working and add some > things for other problems which are becoming apparent now that you're > feeling better and are more active. > > > But that stopped working, and the acupuncture > > treatments actually started making me more fatigued. I don't > tolerate > > the adaptogens (ginseng, astragalus, ashawanga) well. They boost me > > up and tire me out, like caffeine. > > Also a common reaction in PWCs. Your healer may want to cut back the > dose. I had to cut back the dose when I first started on magnesium > shots. I compared it to putting high octane gas in an old clunker > that desperately needs a tune-up. I had to let my body heal overall > to the point where I could take the extra energy from the full dose. > > The Qi tonic herbs may be tiring you out because the Yin Deficiency > problems need addressing. Also, there may be some Qi Stagnation > problems. > > A lot of PWCs don't do that well on ginseng. Usually astragalus is > well tolerated and very helpful to PWCs. > > More in the future. I still don't have Internet service and am > having to use the computer at the library - when I can find the time > to go to town. > > Victoria > > > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2002 Report Share Posted May 24, 2002 > I have had something like moderate CFS / adrenal fatigue for over 5 > years. Gradual onset of symptoms. The worst are sensitivity to cold, > insomnia, fatigue, sinus and nasal swelling/irritation and excessive > worry. Hi John, Do a search in the message base for CFIDS (Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome). I'm one of those PWCs who refuses to call it CFS because that title makes it sound like we're only tired instead of conveying how many systems in the body are affected. You might also want to search for cold and for Yang Deficiency. > I've been to the usual collection of healthcare providers, > looking for help. Most recently, I was going to a TCM practitioner > locally. Initially, one of the herbal formulas they gave me boosted > my energy and appetite. This is common in PWCs. With few exceptions it's not that the herbs (or magnesium or B12 or whatever) have stopped working. It's that something else is needed in addition to what's working. PWCs tend to have so much wrong with them that it's only with improvement in one area that the PWC realizes that other things have to be attended to also. To put this another way, back when I was the sickest, pain wasn't a big problem for me. The nausea, extreme fatigue and weakness, and the breathing problems were so overwhelming that they sort of blotted out awareness of other problems. Plus, I wasn't moving around much. It was only after I improved to the point where I could move around some that I realized I had pain problems. It wasn't that the things I was doing for nausea and for breathing problems had stopped working. It's that I needed something else. Plus, in TCM it's understood that formulas will be changed as the clinical picture and the needs of the client change. Your healer may want to keep you on the herbs which have been working and add some things for other problems which are becoming apparent now that you're feeling better and are more active. > But that stopped working, and the acupuncture > treatments actually started making me more fatigued. I don't tolerate > the adaptogens (ginseng, astragalus, ashawanga) well. They boost me > up and tire me out, like caffeine. Also a common reaction in PWCs. Your healer may want to cut back the dose. I had to cut back the dose when I first started on magnesium shots. I compared it to putting high octane gas in an old clunker that desperately needs a tune-up. I had to let my body heal overall to the point where I could take the extra energy from the full dose. The Qi tonic herbs may be tiring you out because the Yin Deficiency problems need addressing. Also, there may be some Qi Stagnation problems. A lot of PWCs don't do that well on ginseng. Usually astragalus is well tolerated and very helpful to PWCs. More in the future. I still don't have Internet service and am having to use the computer at the library - when I can find the time to go to town. Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2002 Report Share Posted May 30, 2002 >Victoria....would you elaborate on the magnesium treatments, I am a >licensed >acupuncturist and find that many of my patients fall in the category of >magnesium deficiency....fatigue....muscle aches and cramps...as I am not a >nutritionist, I feel out of my arena prescribing magnesium...I have just >been telling them in increase their current dosage (if they are on any) >according the directions on the label.....any info or links would be >greatly >appreciated....helen Check the website of the CFIDS Association of America for more info on Mg. Also do a search for Mildred Seelig, MD, of I believe the American College of Nutrition. I believe she's one of the foremost authorities on Mg deficiency. I got some help from the pills but got even more from the IM injections. I was so bad off that I couldn't absorb enough from the pills - not even with malic acid (which increases Mg absorption). A lot of PWCs have this problem. After a few years on the injections I improved to the point where I could use the pills. If the person requires Mg injections, a licensed doctor will have to prescribe those. The doctor I saw allowed my husband to give them to me, but some doctors require patients to come in twice a week for the injections from a nurse. In any event, the first injection will have to be given in the doctor's office in case there is a reaction. The shots have to go in the butt, and one's butt does get lumpy from them. They also sting. I encourage everyone to do research into Mg deficiency. There is a long list of conditions which can be due to or aggravated by Mg deficiency - asthma, insomnia, muscle spasms, fatigue, arterosclrosis (sp), one type of kidney stone, one type of high blood pressure, nervousness, a tendency to form fatal blood clots, etc. The pills helped my breathing some. The injections helped even more. When I started on the injections I lost the feeling that weighs were attached to my arms and legs. I also gained energy and was in less pain. My muscles no longer were as weak as they had been. BTW, Mg deficiency is one of the possible reasons why chiropratric or DO treatments do not last in some individuals. Muscles need Mg in order to be able to relax. When there is not enough Mg, the muscles will tend to stay contracted, and this can pull the spine back out of alignment in some individuals. Muscles staying contracted also contributes to fatigue. Victoria _______________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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