Dampness and Yin Deficiency

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In a message dated 04/12/2002 4:13:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

subincor writes:

 

<< That depends on whether she has yin-deficiency signs. If she does, then

she is yin-deficienct. If she doesn't, then she is not. Either way, treatment

must focus on draining / drying dampness and tonifying the spleen, right?

 

This is my understanding (student perspective). Victoria asked awhile back

if anyone had ideas of herbs that can be used for Yin Deficiency under these

circumstances. I forgot about one that I use alot ... ligustrum (privet

fruit). A couple of my sources say that both ligustrum and eclipta help to

replace fluids without creating Dampness in the Spleen as easily as most

others.

 

I can use ligustrum as long as I combine it with astragalus or white

attractylodes ... eclipta is quite cooling and too cool for me ... but ... I

still need to use equal parts or less ligustrum, even when Yin Deficiency

seems to predominate (I flip back and forth from Yin and Yang Deficiency

signs predominating).

 

> > I see many (if not more) women in daily life that fit the bill of Liver

congestion than Deficiency regardless of whether they may or may not actually

be Yin Deficient.

 

I should have been more specific ... I was referring to people I

see/meet/talk to ... not actually evaluate. But Spleen Damp is usually very

obvious ... this will hamper the flow of Qi in the Liver and it seems like

it's where much of the Liver congestion would stem from ....

 

<< Why do you think that is? We know that liver congestion can be aggravated

by liv blood/yin def and that liver blood/yin deficiency can aggravate liver

congestion. In your experience does the congestion come first?

 

Just a student here ... but if I were to take an educated guess ... I would

think the congestion would come first if it's diet related ... and then if it

continued for a time without resolution .... the deficiencies of Blood and

Yin would arise as a result .... If it stems from emotion/stress, I could

see where one could develop the Liver congestion without necessarily having

the Spleen Damp involvement.

 

<< I wonder because of the standard diet we see, which is certainly not

conducive to keeping the liver soft and it seems to me that the dietary

damage starts

before stress becomes the adult issue we know it to be, i.e. when the child

is very very young. Does that make any sense to you? >>

 

My view ... just from paying attention to what people eat ... what's in their

grocery carts ... diet would be a major contributing factor and is worthy of

serious consideration and adjustment when it comes to treatment.

 

Lynn