Guest guest Posted March 30, 2002 Report Share Posted March 30, 2002 >I have a general question that will probably be easy for you to >answer.... If a spleen is removed surgically, does that by default >lead to Spleen Qi deficiency? It seems like that is too straight >forward an answer, like it would be a given....so is that assumption >correct? The Spleen is more than the anatomical spleen. Some Western writers refer to it as the Spleen-pancreas as many of its functions sound more like the pancreas. Sometimes having an organ removed can alter TCM function. I have no gall bladder. When I saw a TCM herbalist he couldn't get a pulse in the Gall Bladder position. (When he did the pulse he didn't know I had had gall bladder surgery because he hadn't done the medical history part of the examination.) The names of TCM Organs are capitalized to indicate that they are not equivalent to the Western organs of the same name. > >To compensate for low/NO spleen would the ginseng tonics still work >to balance out the rest of the system? > >As you may have guessed , the place where my spleen was now has a >vacancy! Since the removal I've had occasional digestive issues, and >from my readings it seems to tie into spleen deficiencies... Sometimes when the spleen is removed a person will have symptoms and signs of Spleen Deficiency. You may want to do more research into Spleen tonic herbs and foods. Sometimes ginseng is not the best herb for an individual. Are there any signs and symptoms of Blood Deficiency? In addition to playing a key role in Qi available to the body, the Spleen also plays a key role in Blood production. (It's possible for a Western blood test to be normal but a person suffers from Blood Deficiency. Go by the TCM definition of Blood and Blood Deficiency, not the Western definitions and tests.) Victoria _______________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2002 Report Share Posted April 2, 2002 --- Judy Fitzgerald <victoria_dragon wrote: > >Worry ties into spleen as well? I'm not > ultra-stressed, but when > >things get on my mind they tend to stick....and I > occasionally > >overwork myself over issues..... hmmm.. Hi Curtis. There's a couple of different ways " worry " or pensiveness / overthinking can be expressed. In one way, we can say that the brain picks up a topic and doesn't let it go, and that the result is more annoying than anything else - for example, the song that won't leave your head. That is certainly a symptom of spleen weakness. This sort of worry can develop into something that interferes with your life: as a patient of mine put it recently, " I feel like I constantly have flashbulbs going off in my head, and although I have many thoughts, they are unclear and my mind is foggy " . Another way that the worry asserts itself is mroe emotional - the sort of worry that hits you in the pit of your stomach, and can also make you feel like your insides are falling down ( " downbearing " ). This worry is a definite anxiety which is centred in the stomach and it is coupled with repetitive thinking - obsession. Anxiety is usually associated with the heart - however, that type of anxiety is felt in the chest and is free of mental gymnastics or downbearing sensations, instead, it is usually associated with tightness of the chest, shortness of breath or palpitations etc. The result is often a panicked freeze, with an inability to think at all, unlike the spleen deficient person. I hope that's useful. Bye for now, Hugo =] Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2002 Report Share Posted April 2, 2002 Thanks, Hugo. > Another way that the worry asserts itself is mroe >emotional - the sort of worry that hits you in the pit >of your stomach, and can also make you feel like your >insides are falling down ( " downbearing " ). This worry >is a definite anxiety which is centred in the stomach >and it is coupled with repetitive thinking - >obsession. > > Anxiety is usually associated with the heart - >however, that type of anxiety is felt in the chest and >is free of mental gymnastics or downbearing >sensations, instead, it is usually associated with >tightness of the chest, shortness of breath or >palpitations etc. The result is often a panicked >freeze, with an inability to think at all, unlike the >spleen deficient person. _______________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2002 Report Share Posted May 16, 2002 In touch for health (applied kinesiology), excessive worry is due to excess energy in the spleen. The following solutions can be used: Using sedating points of the spleen meridian(metal shu point/ back shu point). EFT(emotional freedom technique), a type of energy meridian therapy can also be used, where the patient just taps can specific acupuncture, repeating the problem in his mind and the emotional charge will go away instantly. Chinese Traditional Medicine, " c_kozielec " <c_kozielec> wrote: > Hugo, > > Thanks for the response, it seems to make sense to me, also in terms > of some symptoms i'm having, I have an appointment this wednesday so > we'll see how it goes! > > Worry ties into spleen as well? I'm not ultra-stressed, but when > things get on my mind they tend to stick....and I occasionally > overwork myself over issues..... hmmm.. > > Judy, thanks for your response as well! > > -Curtis > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine, Hugo Ramiro <subincor> wrote: > > > that by default > > > lead to Spleen Qi deficiency? It seems like that is > > > too straight > > > forward an answer, like it would be a given....so is > > > that assumption > > > correct? > > > > Hi Curtis! > > I have a patient who had his spleen removed a long > > while ago. > > He had a tendency, from a fairly young age, to worry, > > and it grew to gigantic proportions immediately after > > his spleen was removed. Fortunately, it is not a > > deep worry, but rather a sort of constant superficial > > worry that doesn't really plague him. > > He benefits, as I believe any spleen-organ deficient > > person would, from spleen tonics. It does help his > > worrying too. > > It is still necessary to make a TCM diagnosis. > > > > Hope this hlps. > > Bye, > > Hugo > > > > > > > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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