Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 High, I found in a book about physical exercises oriented on TCM meridians an assertion saying that, sometimes, a painful shoulder (caused by shoulder articulation deformation) can be linked with Spleen disharmony. The only explanation I find is that a weak Spleen will probably imply a kind of Kidneys weakness (probably Yin Deficiency caused by a Spleen Yang Deficiency ???); in such a way Kidneys can not provide enough substance (Yin) for the bones. It's just a thought of someone really new in this field. Do you now something more about that ? Thanks, Bogdan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 Hi Bogdan, " articulation deformation " is that like bone spurs...in the shoulder?! ....or calcium deposits? I've never heard of it, personally. I think of painful shoulder as being related to muscles and ligaments ( & tendons?). That would be related to LIV. (Also, exogenous factors) And, they are not being properly nourished by the Blood. If you're talking about meridians, it is the SI, SJ, LI channels that go through the shoulder. The LI being important because it is a Yangming channel abundant in Qi and Blood. Specific useful points would be LI-14, SJ-14 & SI-10 (also ST-38). I don't think of the SP necessarily unless there is a Damp problem....which actually there probably is. Bi Syndrome = pain = Wind, Damp, Cold or Wind, Damp, Heat. Guess this is a jumping off point....there's alot of info you might want to look up further. LOL-Kit PS. Kidney usually shows up as weak, sore knees. At 12:01 PM 3/21/02 +0200, you wrote: High, I found in a book about physical exercises oriented on TCM meridians an assertion saying that, sometimes, a painful shoulder (caused by shoulder articulation deformation) can be linked with Spleen disharmony. The only explanation I find is that a weak Spleen will probably imply a kind of Kidneys weakness (probably Yin Deficiency caused by a Spleen Yang Deficiency ???); in such a way Kidneys can not provide enough substance (Yin) for the bones. It's just a thought of someone really new in this field. Do you now something more about that ? Thanks, Bogdan Sponsor Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 Bogdan Andone wrote: > > High, > > I found in a book about physical exercises oriented on TCM meridians an > assertion saying that, sometimes, a painful shoulder (caused by shoulder > articulation deformation) can be linked with Spleen disharmony. > > The only explanation I find is that a weak Spleen will probably imply a kind > of Kidneys weakness (probably Yin Deficiency caused by a Spleen Yang > Deficiency ???); in such a way Kidneys can not provide enough substance (Yin) > for the bones. It's just a thought of someone really new in this field. I think that your book is suggesting that if your digestion isn't working well, the fluids for the joints can become deficient. So the order might look more like a Spleen Qi deficiency leading to a Yin deficiency of the Kidney and then the Liver. Liver Yin lubricates the joints. Another possibility, and actually one that I suspect is more plausable is that dampness arises from a weak Spleen. Should the digestion be inefficient, dampness can accumulate in the body. This internal dampness doesn't usually end up in the joints, but dampness from the exterior environment can enter into the joints causing a wide variety of arthritic conditions, specifically those that are aggravated by damp weather. Even with the external type of dampness, a Spleen deficiency of some sort is often times assumed and even part of the acupuncture treatment principle for damp bi syndromes. (Bi means pain, damp bi means pain due to dampness in the channels) -- Al Stone L.Ac. <AlStone http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2002 Report Share Posted March 22, 2002 Thanks Al, In fact, the western medicine diagnostic for this kind of frozen shoulder was " scapulo-humeral periarthritis " . Talking about myself, I have some signs of Spleen Qi Deficiency (no appetite, loose stools, tiredness) and a kind of constant and dumb pain into the right shoulder, but I never made the connection. I was thinking that the cause is sleeping almost on the right side or a bad position at work (when my right hand handles a PC mouse many hours daily). As a plus, I discovered that some bones on the right back shoulder (I don't know the anatomical names) are not in the same position/shape as the left ones. Bogdan > I think that your book is suggesting that if your digestion isn't > working well, the fluids for the joints can become deficient. So the > order might look more like a Spleen Qi deficiency leading to a Yin > deficiency of the Kidney and then the Liver. Liver Yin lubricates the > joints. > > Another possibility, and actually one that I suspect is more plausable > is that dampness arises from a weak Spleen. Should the digestion be > inefficient, dampness can accumulate in the body. This internal dampness > doesn't usually end up in the joints, but dampness from the exterior > environment can enter into the joints causing a wide variety of > arthritic conditions, specifically those that are aggravated by damp > weather. Even with the external type of dampness, a Spleen deficiency > of some sort is often times assumed and even part of the acupuncture > treatment principle for damp bi syndromes. (Bi means pain, damp bi > means pain due to dampness in the channels) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2002 Report Share Posted March 22, 2002 Here's more on the two concepts of periarthritis of the shoulder: http://Acupuncture.com/Clinical/Shoulder.htm http://Acupuncture.com/Clinical/Bi.htm Bogdan Andone wrote: > > Thanks Al, > > In fact, the western medicine diagnostic for this kind of frozen shoulder was > " scapulo-humeral periarthritis " . > > Talking about myself, I have some signs of Spleen Qi > Deficiency (no appetite, loose stools, tiredness) and a kind of > constant and dumb pain into the right shoulder, but I never made the > connection. I was thinking that the cause is sleeping almost on the > right side or a bad position at work (when my right hand handles a > PC mouse many hours daily). As a plus, I discovered that some bones > on the right back shoulder (I don't know the anatomical names) are not in the > same position/shape as the left ones. > > Bogdan > > > I think that your book is suggesting that if your digestion isn't > > working well, the fluids for the joints can become deficient. So the > > order might look more like a Spleen Qi deficiency leading to a Yin > > deficiency of the Kidney and then the Liver. Liver Yin lubricates the > > joints. > > > > Another possibility, and actually one that I suspect is more plausable > > is that dampness arises from a weak Spleen. Should the digestion be > > inefficient, dampness can accumulate in the body. This internal dampness > > doesn't usually end up in the joints, but dampness from the exterior > > environment can enter into the joints causing a wide variety of > > arthritic conditions, specifically those that are aggravated by damp > > weather. Even with the external type of dampness, a Spleen deficiency > > of some sort is often times assumed and even part of the acupuncture > > treatment principle for damp bi syndromes. (Bi means pain, damp bi > > means pain due to dampness in the channels) > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2002 Report Share Posted March 24, 2002 > Here's more on the two concepts of periarthritis of the shoulder: > http://Acupuncture.com/Clinical/Shoulder.htm > http://Acupuncture.com/Clinical/Bi.htm Thanks, Al. I find the concept of Skin Bi especially interesting. " Skin Bi Numbness of the skin (sometimes with associated with a sensation of cold), neuritis of lateral cutaneous nerve of the thigh. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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