Kidney Yang Deficiency / Hypothyroid

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I used to think I had hypothyroid, but I was tested by an MD and all my thyroid

hormone levels were normal.

It certainly sounds like I have Kidney Yang deficiency. It describes my symptoms

very well - even down to sleeping in " fetal position " - that's the only way I

can sleep. Thank you so much for the information!

 

What explains the " plum stone qi " or " peach pit sensation " (lump in throat)? I

was told it was a liver problem. Could kidney yang deficiency lead to this?

 

Thanks,

Vincent

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>I used to think I had hypothyroid, but I was tested by an MD and all my

>thyroid

>hormone levels were normal.

 

I have been hypothyroid off and on since I was a child. Once, I was hyper.

In my particular case the thyroid problems are tied in with bouts of mono

and mono-like illnesses.

 

When I did have to take the medication, it was very frustrating for the

symptoms only to be lessened at best and be told by doctors that I shouldn't

be having any problems because the blood levels of everything were up to

normal.

 

I didn't really warm up until I discovered TCM and got the correct treatment

for Kidney Yang Deficiency. I had a lot of different imbalances, but that

one was the standout by far. As he was mixing up the bags of herbs I was to

prepare into teas and drink, he broke off a piece of dried ginger and had me

chew it. It was one of the few times when I knew right away that a

supplement was something I needed. I ended up drinking a lot of cups of

ginger tea.

 

But the herbs that Warm the Interior (which dried ginger is classified as)

is only part of the solution. A person who is Yang Deficient also is going

to need Yang tonic herbs. One of my favorites is Epimedium, aka Horny Goat

Weed.

 

For people without access to a TCM apothecary, epimedium usually is one of

the ingredients in those capsules advertised as For Men or as " Herbal

Viagra " . Those capsules tend to be loaded with Yang tonic herbs. And

they're not just for men, but for women who are Yang Deficient. (Just like

Dong Quai, a Blood tonic herb, is not just for women but for men with Blood

Deficiency.) Likewise, the " For Men " capsules are NOT for all men, just the

ones who happen to have Yang Deficiency. I hate the way they are marketed

as though all men need them and like they're just for sex. There are side

effects when people consume these herbs who are not Yang Deficient and who

do not really need them. Over- and inappropriate consumption of Yang tonic

herbs can trigger Yang Excess and a lot of very unpleasant problems to put

it mildly. Besides, when a person is severely Yang Deficient, loss of

libido tends to pale in comparisson to some of the other symptoms like not

being able to warm up, not having the energy to do anything, and especially

to the breathing problems if the person also suffers from Kidneys Refusing

to Receive Qi.

 

I was warned that Kidney Yang Deficiency can take a long time to treat. It

did. One may start getting some relief right away, but it can take months

or even years for everything to be corrected. The longer the Yang

Deficiency has been present, the longer it will take for it to resolve

completely.

 

One of the milestones for me was being able to feel warmth when I touched my

face. That may not sound like a big deal, but it was a big milestone for

me.

 

There are a number of imbalances that can cause fatigue, but the fatigue of

Kidney and Spleen Yang Deficiency is the worst there is. AT one point

before treatment, I didn't even have the energy to sit up. I was pushing

myself each time I did. (The Yang Deficiency in my case was very severe and

had been going on, steadily worsening for many years.

 

>What explains the " plum stone qi " or " peach pit sensation " (lump in

>throat)? I

>was told it was a liver problem. Could kidney yang deficiency lead to this?

 

" Plum stone qi " - feeling like a lump or stone is stuck in the throat can be

a classic symptom of Liver Qi Stagnation. (It doesn't always manifest like

this, but in many people it does. Some people also may have trouble

swallowing or trouble with food and liquids going down because of it.)

 

The number one cause of Liver imbalances is emotional - in particular

long-term feelings of anger, frustration, and resentment. Not being able to

do what one wants to do because of the fatigue and other problems of Kidney

Yang Deficiency can be frustrating to put it mildly. Very frustrating. I

learned to make jokes about my irritability and to warn loved ones that it's

not them I'm angry at but the illness. I got really good at making jokes

about how irritable I was, and what usually happened was we all would end up

laughing at some description of gave of how irritable I was. Laughter can

be a good antidote.

 

Also, the Kidneys play a key role in Fluid physiology. When the Kidneys and

Spleen are not moving Fluids properly, they can collect as Dampness, and

Dampness can interfere with the smooth flow of Qi.

 

Cold is a biggie for interfering with Qi flow and causing Qi Stagnation.

That analogy of the stream freezing again.

 

Victoria

 

 

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--- " Vincent J. S. " <vjs wrote:

> I used to think I had hypothyroid, but I was tested

> by an MD and all my thyroid

> hormone levels were normal.

 

Hypothyroid can be said to be a subset of the TCM

pattern " kidney yang deficiency " .

 

> What explains the " plum stone qi " or " peach pit

> sensation " (lump in throat)? I

> was told it was a liver problem. Could kidney yang

> deficiency lead to this?

 

Yes, but there's no need to make a big link here. The

main hting is to get your yang up and running. You may

find that once your energy is up the plumpit will

diappear.

I also wanted to throw in a few comments.

I don't eat any meat or dairy, no bread or pasta

(have lost my craving for them) and am quite healthy.

Not- eating-meat is a dietary choice that requires

discipline, and can easily lead to kidney / spleen

yang deficiency etc if handled improperly. However, it

can also lead to a better world and a long, clear life

is handled properly.

Make sure that you do not have an excess of raw or

sweet foods in your diet since chinese medicine states

that excess amounts of cold and sweet things will

damage the spleen, and eventually the spleen and

kidney yang.

Also consider practicing some sort of energy-building

exercise, such as a particular style of qi gong or

yoga etc.

Write back if you'd like more info or would like to

discuss this further.

Bye!

Hugo =]

 

> Thanks,

> Vincent

>

>

 

 

 

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Chinese Traditional Medicine, " Vincent J. S. " <vjs@t...> wrote:

> I used to think I had hypothyroid, but I was tested by an MD and

all my thyroid

> hormone levels were normal.

> It certainly sounds like I have Kidney Yang deficiency. It

describes my symptoms

> very well - even down to sleeping in " fetal position " - that's the

only way I

> can sleep. Thank you so much for the information!

>

> What explains the " plum stone qi " or " peach pit sensation " (lump in

throat)? I

> was told it was a liver problem. Could kidney yang deficiency lead

to this?

>

> Thanks,

> Vincent

 

Hi Vincent,

 

I just would like to add this to the excellent reply (about

hypothyroid disease) to you from Victoria: it is possible to have

normal blood tests from a Western doctor and still have hypothyroid

disease. The trick is finding a doctor who will treat symptoms

instead of numbers. Many doctors are now discovering that a TSH

level above 2 which also has concommitand hypothyroid symptoms is

probably a case of subclinical hypothyroid disease. Sympathetic

doctors will now trial thyroid medications until the find the right

one for the patient. Perhaps TCM alone will help your symptoms, but

if your symptoms do not completely resolve with TCM then it is

possible that you could be one of the many unrecognized hypothyroid

patients.

 

Sarah

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Plum seed (Mei Ke Qi) makes you think about phlegm (Re Tan) which usually

happens linked with Liver qi stagnation and Fire, although it may apear is

some Yang Xu. It may not be conected with hypothyroid.

I think that a TCM healer must do a TCM diagnosis for all pacients and do

not acept a wester diagnosis to star treatment.

For those who works with auriculotherapy too, bleeding apex and helix 4 and

5 in many cases in enought to stop Mei Ke Qi when you find Re Tan.

I apologize for my english.

Roberta

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baidanwu34 <bonmotSarah

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Monday, March 18, 2002 8:16 PM

[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Kidney Yang Deficiency / Hypothyroid

 

 

> Chinese Traditional Medicine, " Vincent J. S. " <vjs@t...> wrote:

> > I used to think I had hypothyroid, but I was tested by an MD and

> all my thyroid

> > hormone levels were normal.

> > It certainly sounds like I have Kidney Yang deficiency. It

> describes my symptoms

> > very well - even down to sleeping in " fetal position " - that's the

> only way I

> > can sleep. Thank you so much for the information!

> >

> > What explains the " plum stone qi " or " peach pit sensation " (lump in

> throat)? I

> > was told it was a liver problem. Could kidney yang deficiency lead

> to this?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Vincent

>

> Hi Vincent,

>

> I just would like to add this to the excellent reply (about

> hypothyroid disease) to you from Victoria: it is possible to have

> normal blood tests from a Western doctor and still have hypothyroid

> disease. The trick is finding a doctor who will treat symptoms

> instead of numbers. Many doctors are now discovering that a TSH

> level above 2 which also has concommitand hypothyroid symptoms is

> probably a case of subclinical hypothyroid disease. Sympathetic

> doctors will now trial thyroid medications until the find the right

> one for the patient. Perhaps TCM alone will help your symptoms, but

> if your symptoms do not completely resolve with TCM then it is

> possible that you could be one of the many unrecognized hypothyroid

> patients.

>

> Sarah

>

>

>

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