experienced, affordable practitioners in so. cal

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For a reduced rate. You can get treatments designed by experienced doc and delivered by competent students at your local TCM college.

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I hope I am not offending anyone by asking.

Does anyone know of experienced (5+ yrs), affordable (under

$50/treatment) practitioners in the Los Angeles area? The general theme

seems to be " Experienced, affordable - pick one " . I'm hoping someone

knows of an exception. I don't make good money, and I don't even have

medical insurance let alone insurance that would cover Acupuncture.

 

There was a time when I was making good money, and seeing a good

acupuncturist. The results were amazing. I was making very good

progress, but I've still got a long way to go. I can give you a list of

my symptoms if that will help.

 

I recently went to a " cheap " acupuncturist, who has only been practicing

one year, and they totally misdiagnosed me, gave me herbs that made me

worse, etc.

 

So - does anyone out there know of a good practitioner who is

affordable, or has a " sliding scale " payment, or barters ?

 

I really hope I haven't offended anyone by asking.

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You haven't offended me by asking.

 

What was the original diagnosis by the good acupuncturist, and what was the

diagnosis by the not-so-good one? What herbs were you given?

 

Go ahead and list your symptoms. Maybe some of the people on the list can

give you feedback. Please understand that no one can diagnose you via

email, and the information given is for educational and research purposes -

not only yours but students on the list too.

 

Victoria

 

 

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>For a reduced rate. You can get treatments designed by experienced doc and

>delivered by competent students at your local TCM college.

 

Thanks, good suggestion.

 

Some chiropractic schools also offer this.

 

Victoria

 

 

 

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Hi, do know someone in the Pasadena area that will charge between $30 and

$40. She is extremely flexible.

If that is not too far for you, will give you nbr.

 

 

Dianne Moody McLean

 

 

Vincent J. S [vjs]

Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:50 AM

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[Chinese Traditional Medicine] experienced, affordable practitioners in so. cal

 

I hope I am not offending anyone by asking.

Does anyone know of experienced (5+ yrs), affordable (under

$50/treatment) practitioners in the Los Angeles area? The general theme

seems to be " Experienced, affordable - pick one " . I'm hoping someone

knows of an exception. I don't make good money, and I don't even have

medical insurance let alone insurance that would cover Acupuncture.

 

There was a time when I was making good money, and seeing a good

acupuncturist. The results were amazing. I was making very good

progress, but I've still got a long way to go. I can give you a list of

my symptoms if that will help.

 

I recently went to a " cheap " acupuncturist, who has only been practicing

one year, and they totally misdiagnosed me, gave me herbs that made me

worse, etc.

 

So - does anyone out there know of a good practitioner who is

affordable, or has a " sliding scale " payment, or barters ?

 

I really hope I haven't offended anyone by asking.

 

 

 

 

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Thanks for the tip on going to the college - I hadn't thought of that.

 

In response to Victoria - I welcome advice :]

 

Here's what my symptoms are like:

- frequent " blacking out " . at least once a day. I've fainted a few

times. It

happens after standing up, doesn't really matter how long I've been

sitting.

- a few days out of the week I'll have a lump in my throat (plum stone

qi?)

- cold hands

- problems breathing... I usually dont feel as if I've gotten enough air

out of

the breath, and frequently need to yawn

- slight acne on back,arms and face

- prone to depression

 

I'm 5'11, 155lb - I guess thats about average.

 

I drink a lot of water, so my urine is generally very clear.

 

I work with computers - so I'm sitting alot. However I do get at least 1

hour of

exercise per day, alternating between strength training and light

cardio/stretching.

 

My diet is vegetarian -- though right now it's vegan because of Lent.

A normal day's diet is usually as follows:

breakfast: fruit, cereal, sandwich with " fake meat " (made out of tofu

and

gluten)

lunch: brown rice, broccoli, tempeh

dinner: pasta, sauce (tomato,garlic,onion,basil,oregano,olive oil)

 

I've recently started making a tea of Ginger, Fennel, Cinnamon, Black

tea and

Honey - for breakfast.

It seems to warm me up nice, but the effect wears off after an hour or

2.

 

The first acupuncturist was using a technique called NAET. You can read

about it

at http://www.naet.com

It mainly focuses on clearing food and environmental

sensitivities/allergies. It

did a very good job at this. I used to get a sick stomache from anything

I ate,

and I no longer have that problem. Though the problems I listed remain.

I didn't

get a traditional diagnosis from her - though she thought the fatigue

etc was

due to my liver.

 

The second acupuncturist diagnosed me with " heat/wind " - because I have

slight

acne.

She prescribed " Siler Combination - Qing Shang Fang Feng Tang " , and they

made me

worse.

 

I hope I've included enough information. Let me know if there's anything

else I

should share.

 

I look forward to the responses :]

-Vincent

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Hi Vincent,

I'm a novice at this TCM stuff, been a patient for about a year and a half,

but the first things that jumps out at me is that your diet may need some

tweaking. Have you thought about eating less carbs and more protein and

veggies? This has really helped me. Do you eat fish normally? Also, I'm

wondering about the gluten. I know lots of people (me included) have an

intolerance to gluten, and that may be causing some of your symptoms. Like

I said, this probably isn't TCM advice, but just something that popped out

at me.

 

Debbie

deb

http://www.bodyhealthcenter.com

>

> Here's what my symptoms are like:

> - frequent " blacking out " . at least once a day. I've fainted a few

> times. It

> happens after standing up, doesn't really matter how long I've been

> sitting.

> - a few days out of the week I'll have a lump in my throat (plum stone

> qi?)

> - cold hands

> - problems breathing... I usually dont feel as if I've gotten enough air

> out of

> the breath, and frequently need to yawn

> - slight acne on back,arms and face

> - prone to depression

>

> I'm 5'11, 155lb - I guess thats about average.

>

> I drink a lot of water, so my urine is generally very clear.

>

> I work with computers - so I'm sitting alot. However I do get at least 1

> hour of

> exercise per day, alternating between strength training and light

> cardio/stretching.

>

> My diet is vegetarian -- though right now it's vegan because of Lent.

> A normal day's diet is usually as follows:

> breakfast: fruit, cereal, sandwich with " fake meat " (made out of tofu

> and

> gluten)

> lunch: brown rice, broccoli, tempeh

> dinner: pasta, sauce (tomato,garlic,onion,basil,oregano,olive oil)

>

> I've recently started making a tea of Ginger, Fennel, Cinnamon, Black

> tea and

> Honey - for breakfast.

> It seems to warm me up nice, but the effect wears off after an hour or

> 2.

>

> The first acupuncturist was using a technique called NAET. You can read

> about it

> at http://www.naet.com

> It mainly focuses on clearing food and environmental

> sensitivities/allergies. It

> did a very good job at this. I used to get a sick stomache from anything

> I ate,

> and I no longer have that problem. Though the problems I listed remain.

> I didn't

> get a traditional diagnosis from her - though she thought the fatigue

> etc was

> due to my liver.

>

> The second acupuncturist diagnosed me with " heat/wind " - because I have

> slight

> acne.

> She prescribed " Siler Combination - Qing Shang Fang Feng Tang " , and they

> made me

> worse.

>

> I hope I've included enough information. Let me know if there's anything

> else I

> should share.

>

> I look forward to the responses :]

> -Vincent

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Vincent

Sounds to me as if you have a severe blood deficiency and a lot of liver stagnation. I agree with Victoria that you may want to see a western doc about the thyroid. Your symptoms are common with several vegetarians that I have seen in my clinic work. Many of them cannot eat meat but some red meat would probably benefit you considerably. Do you do any type of fowl? Ostrich is considered a red meat and might be something you could handle if you would do fowl. That is just my two cents. Hope that you get to feeling better. I would think the tea you are drinking is warming you for short periods of time based on the warming ingredients that you are placing in it. But your yang sounds as if it got up and went.

 

Shane

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Chinese Traditional Medicine, " Vincent J. S " <vjs@t...> wrote:

> Thanks for the tip on going to the college - I hadn't thought of

that.

>

> In response to Victoria - I welcome advice :]

>

> Here's what my symptoms are like:

> - frequent " blacking out " . at least once a day. I've fainted a few

> times. It

> happens after standing up, doesn't really matter how long I've been

> sitting.

> - a few days out of the week I'll have a lump in my throat (plum

stone

> qi?)

> - cold hands

> - problems breathing... I usually dont feel as if I've gotten

enough air

> out of

> the breath, and frequently need to yawn

> - slight acne on back,arms and face

> - prone to depression

>

> I'm 5'11, 155lb - I guess thats about average.

>

> I drink a lot of water, so my urine is generally very clear.

>

> I work with computers - so I'm sitting alot. However I do get at

least 1

> hour of

> exercise per day, alternating between strength training and light

> cardio/stretching.

>

> My diet is vegetarian -- though right now it's vegan because of

Lent.

> A normal day's diet is usually as follows:

> breakfast: fruit, cereal, sandwich with " fake meat " (made out of

tofu

> and

> gluten)

> lunch: brown rice, broccoli, tempeh

> dinner: pasta, sauce (tomato,garlic,onion,basil,oregano,olive oil)

>

> I've recently started making a tea of Ginger, Fennel, Cinnamon,

Black

> tea and

> Honey - for breakfast.

> It seems to warm me up nice, but the effect wears off after an hour

or

> 2.

>

> The first acupuncturist was using a technique called NAET. You can

read

> about it

> at http://www.naet.com

> It mainly focuses on clearing food and environmental

> sensitivities/allergies. It

> did a very good job at this. I used to get a sick stomache from

anything

> I ate,

> and I no longer have that problem. Though the problems I listed

remain.

> I didn't

> get a traditional diagnosis from her - though she thought the

fatigue

> etc was

> due to my liver.

>

> The second acupuncturist diagnosed me with " heat/wind " - because I

have

> slight

> acne.

> She prescribed " Siler Combination - Qing Shang Fang Feng Tang " , and

they

> made me

> worse.

>

> I hope I've included enough information. Let me know if there's

anything

> else I

> should share.

>

> I look forward to the responses :]

> -Vincent

 

I wonder if you have ever been checked (Western medicine) to see if

there is any thyroid problem (some of these symptoms could possibly

relate to a goiter and/or hypothyroid condition)? TCM does have some

formulas which may benefit some who have thyroid problems (although

some may also require some sort of thyroid hormone support as well.