Hydrocele-therapy and listing of what is Wai-ke (Outer-ology)

December 23, 2001

suresh deshpande wrote

> Hi,

>

> I am sending this mail to you, as I did not get any

> answer or solution to my problem which I had posted to

> Chinese Healing Gr on 6th Oct, 2001.

>

> I am having Hydrocele problem since last 15 years.It

> is on the right testicle.

> Can you suggest any treatment in TCM as I am told by

> the doctors that Surgery is the only remedy.

>May I know the right treatment for " Hydrocele " in TCM

>as I am having this problem for last 15 years and on

>right testicle.

>Can TCM cure Hydrocele?

>I was told that surgery is the only remedy for the

>same.

>It would be really helpful if someone can help in this

>regards.

Hi, hydrocele is called 'shui-shan' in TCM.

I would suggest trying herbals as many other tiny diseases you might

have might disappear together with the shanshui.

There are 3 basic syndroms:

1) Cold-damp on a deficient kidney-basis ( the bodyfluid circulation

is stagnant)

-testes have cold-symptoms

-urine is clear and takes long (cold and deficiency symptoms)

-cold feeling and pain in back and knees

-can develop from a longstanding untreated 2) syndrom

therapy: BaojianDanguiSiniTang-formula

2) damp-heat in Liver-meridian

-testes and urine show damp and heat symptoms

use LongdanXieganTang-formula

3) accumulated clotted blood

-after tumourous/traumatic lesions

use HuoxueSanYuTang-formula

A wrong diagnosis might lead to side effects and in worst case might

aggravate it temporarily,

if you give nourishing and heating herbals in a damp-heat syndrom,

that would be wrong.

But actually any proficient doctor should differentiate easily

between 1) and 2).

Above information can be found in books which headlines are

translated as:

" Surgery in TCM " (ZhongYi Wai-ke), which is a WRONG translation, and

maybe thats

why there are still no translations of these kind of books.

You dont want 'surgery lessons' from 2000 year old books, do you?.

Wai-Ke includes: Boils, sores, snake bites, skin+hair+veneral

diseases, breast-tumors,

goiter, lymphnodules, proctology, andrology.

Now *you* find a good translation for 'Wai-ke', I suggest 'Outer'-

ology.

Greetings Tay.

December 29, 2001

Hi Tay ,

Thanks for the help.

I think my case fits into 1st syndrome.

Warm regards

Suresh

--- tayfx <aajohansen wrote:

> suresh deshpande wrote

> > Hi,

> >

> > I am sending this mail to you, as I did not get

> any

> > answer or solution to my problem which I had

> posted to

> > Chinese Healing Gr on 6th Oct, 2001.

> >

> > I am having Hydrocele problem since last 15

> years.It

> > is on the right testicle.

> > Can you suggest any treatment in TCM as I am told

> by

> > the doctors that Surgery is the only remedy.

>

> >May I know the right treatment for " Hydrocele " in

> TCM

> >as I am having this problem for last 15 years and

> on

> >right testicle.

>

> >Can TCM cure Hydrocele?

> >I was told that surgery is the only remedy for the

> >same.

> >It would be really helpful if someone can help in

> this

> >regards.

>

> Hi, hydrocele is called 'shui-shan' in TCM.

> I would suggest trying herbals as many other tiny

> diseases you might

> have might disappear together with the shanshui.

>

> There are 3 basic syndroms:

> 1) Cold-damp on a deficient kidney-basis ( the

> bodyfluid circulation

> is stagnant)

> -testes have cold-symptoms

> -urine is clear and takes long (cold and deficiency

> symptoms)

> -cold feeling and pain in back and knees

> -can develop from a longstanding untreated 2)

> syndrom

> therapy: BaojianDanguiSiniTang-formula

>

> 2) damp-heat in Liver-meridian

> -testes and urine show damp and heat symptoms

> use LongdanXieganTang-formula

>

> 3) accumulated clotted blood

> -after tumourous/traumatic lesions

> use HuoxueSanYuTang-formula

>

> A wrong diagnosis might lead to side effects and in

> worst case might

> aggravate it temporarily,

> if you give nourishing and heating herbals in a

> damp-heat syndrom,

> that would be wrong.

> But actually any proficient doctor should

> differentiate easily

> between 1) and 2).

>

> Above information can be found in books which

> headlines are

> translated as:

> " Surgery in TCM " (ZhongYi Wai-ke), which is a WRONG

> translation, and

> maybe thats

> why there are still no translations of these kind of

> books.

> You dont want 'surgery lessons' from 2000 year old

> books, do you?.

> Wai-Ke includes: Boils, sores, snake bites,

> skin+hair+veneral

> diseases, breast-tumors,

> goiter, lymphnodules, proctology, andrology.

> Now *you* find a good translation for 'Wai-ke', I

> suggest 'Outer'-

> ology.

>

> Greetings Tay.

>

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December 29, 2001

Hi Tay ,

Thanks for the help.

I think my case fits into 1st syndrome.

Warm regards

Suresh

--- tayfx <aajohansen wrote:

> suresh deshpande wrote

> > Hi,

> >

> > I am sending this mail to you, as I did not get

> any

> > answer or solution to my problem which I had

> posted to

> > Chinese Healing Gr on 6th Oct, 2001.

> >

> > I am having Hydrocele problem since last 15

> years.It

> > is on the right testicle.

> > Can you suggest any treatment in TCM as I am told

> by

> > the doctors that Surgery is the only remedy.

>

> >May I know the right treatment for " Hydrocele " in

> TCM

> >as I am having this problem for last 15 years and

> on

> >right testicle.

>

> >Can TCM cure Hydrocele?

> >I was told that surgery is the only remedy for the

> >same.

> >It would be really helpful if someone can help in

> this

> >regards.

>

> Hi, hydrocele is called 'shui-shan' in TCM.

> I would suggest trying herbals as many other tiny

> diseases you might

> have might disappear together with the shanshui.

>

> There are 3 basic syndroms:

> 1) Cold-damp on a deficient kidney-basis ( the

> bodyfluid circulation

> is stagnant)

> -testes have cold-symptoms

> -urine is clear and takes long (cold and deficiency

> symptoms)

> -cold feeling and pain in back and knees

> -can develop from a longstanding untreated 2)

> syndrom

> therapy: BaojianDanguiSiniTang-formula

>

> 2) damp-heat in Liver-meridian

> -testes and urine show damp and heat symptoms

> use LongdanXieganTang-formula

>

> 3) accumulated clotted blood

> -after tumourous/traumatic lesions

> use HuoxueSanYuTang-formula

>

> A wrong diagnosis might lead to side effects and in

> worst case might

> aggravate it temporarily,

> if you give nourishing and heating herbals in a

> damp-heat syndrom,

> that would be wrong.

> But actually any proficient doctor should

> differentiate easily

> between 1) and 2).

>

> Above information can be found in books which

> headlines are

> translated as:

> " Surgery in TCM " (ZhongYi Wai-ke), which is a WRONG

> translation, and

> maybe thats

> why there are still no translations of these kind of

> books.

> You dont want 'surgery lessons' from 2000 year old

> books, do you?.

> Wai-Ke includes: Boils, sores, snake bites,

> skin+hair+veneral

> diseases, breast-tumors,

> goiter, lymphnodules, proctology, andrology.

> Now *you* find a good translation for 'Wai-ke', I

> suggest 'Outer'-

> ology.

>

> Greetings Tay.

>

Send your FREE holiday greetings online!

http://greetings.

December 29, 2001

My sons friend has same problem. He is needle phobic and won't take herbs. His feet were always like ice. I have been treating his hydrocel with moxa to the liver meridian. It is much smaller and according to him less painful.

-

suresh deshpande

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Saturday, December 29, 2001 1:11 PM

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Hydrocele-therapy and listing of what is Wai-ke (Outer-ology)

Hi Tay ,Thanks for the help.I think my case fits into 1st syndrome.Warm regardsSuresh--- tayfx <aajohansen wrote:> suresh deshpande wrote> > Hi,> > > > I am sending this mail to you, as I did not get> any> > answer or solution to my problem which I had> posted to> > Chinese Healing Gr on 6th Oct, 2001.> > > > I am having Hydrocele problem since last 15> years.It> > is on the right testicle. > > Can you suggest any treatment in TCM as I am told> by> > the doctors that Surgery is the only remedy.> > >May I know the right treatment for "Hydrocele " in> TCM> >as I am having this problem for last 15 years and> on> >right testicle.> > >Can TCM cure Hydrocele?> >I was told that surgery is the only remedy for the> >same.> >It would be really helpful if someone can help in> this> >regards.> > > > > > Hi, hydrocele is called 'shui-shan' in TCM.> I would suggest trying herbals as many other tiny> diseases you might > have might disappear together with the shanshui.> > There are 3 basic syndroms:> 1) Cold-damp on a deficient kidney-basis ( the> bodyfluid circulation > is stagnant)> -testes have cold-symptoms> -urine is clear and takes long (cold and deficiency> symptoms)> -cold feeling and pain in back and knees> -can develop from a longstanding untreated 2)> syndrom> therapy: BaojianDanguiSiniTang-formula> > 2) damp-heat in Liver-meridian> -testes and urine show damp and heat symptoms> use LongdanXieganTang-formula> > 3) accumulated clotted blood> -after tumourous/traumatic lesions> use HuoxueSanYuTang-formula> > A wrong diagnosis might lead to side effects and in> worst case might > aggravate it temporarily,> if you give nourishing and heating herbals in a> damp-heat syndrom, > that would be wrong.> But actually any proficient doctor should> differentiate easily > between 1) and 2).> > Above information can be found in books which> headlines are > translated as:> "Surgery in TCM" (ZhongYi Wai-ke), which is a WRONG> translation, and > maybe thats> why there are still no translations of these kind of> books.> You dont want 'surgery lessons' from 2000 year old> books, do you?.> Wai-Ke includes: Boils, sores, snake bites,> skin+hair+veneral > diseases, breast-tumors,> goiter, lymphnodules, proctology, andrology.> Now *you* find a good translation for 'Wai-ke', I> suggest 'Outer'-> ology.> > Greetings Tay.> > > > > > > Send your FREE holiday greetings online!http://greetings.Community email addresses: Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine