Guest guest Posted November 29, 2001 Report Share Posted November 29, 2001 I usually don't print political stuff on this message group, but something recently has come to my attention which is so horrifying in regard to medical and scientific ethics that I'm breaking the rule on this one. Not since the end of WWII has the world been faced with anything as Nazi as this proposal to test pesticides on human beings. In fairness I want to point out that at the same time Nazi Germany was conducting horrendous experiments on humans, " scientists " in the U.S., Great Britain, etc. also were conducting their own highly unethical tests on humans. Unethical testing on humans as continued sporadically in the years since in the U.S. and Britain as well as other countries. But the persons responsible for inhumane and unethical tests never felt comfortable advertising what they were doing and wanted to do. Until now, that is. This says a lot about how far conditions of justice and concern for others have deteriorated in the U.S. This also says a lot about how much establishment medicine has deteriorated in the U.S. and why more and more Americans fear doctors and establishment medicine. /////////////////////////// " Unemployed? Bush Incorporated has a job for you: Eating pesticides. Yummy! Where do we sign up? " (buzzflash comment) http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/28/politics/28PEST.html?ex=1007978704 & ei=1 & en=f Here is more on Bu$h Inc. ok'ing pesticide testing on humans: E.P.A. Weighs Pesticide Tests on Humans By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE " WASHINGTON, Nov. 27 — The Bush administration is considering allowing data from human testing of toxic pesticides to be part of regulatory decisions, a step that would run counter to a Clinton administration scientific advisory panel. Critics say it would violate the Nuremberg Code adopted after World War II. " Note to readers whose schooling did not include information on the Nuremberg Code, the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials, or Nazi atorcities committed in the name of " science " and racial purity: The Nuremberg Code: http://www.ushmm.org/research/doctors/Nuremberg_Code.htm The reason why the Nuremberg Code governing experimentation on humans was adapted: http://www.ushmm.org/research/doctors/index.html Testimony from survivors of Nazi experimentation: http://www.ushmm.org/research/doctors/testimony.htm More from " E.P.A. Weighs Pesticide Tests on Humans: " Stephen L. Johnson, assistant administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency's office of prevention, pesticides and toxic substances, said the agency had not made a final policy decision on the matter. But he said he had discussed it with the agricultural and pesticide industries and public interest groups, and " we're trying to determine what makes sense from a scientific and an ethics point of view. " " The fact that Stephen L. Johnson would even consider that this type of experimentation on humans could be ethical indicates that he is totally clueless when it comes to history, to the Nuremberg Code, to the dangers posed by pesticides, and to ethical considerations, and is totally unqualified to hold the post he does at the E.P.A. More from the article: " Mr. Johnson said the agency was weighing the matter because " the agricultural community believed that the agency should use the best available scientific information before making decisions and that the best available scientific information included whatever data was available on humans. " " So you're going to sicken and kill human beings just to determine how much pesticide it takes to sicken and kill human beings? The Nazis did experiments just like these on humans to determine how much of certain poisonous gases it would take to sicken and kill humans. Bush Inc. is claiming that Saddam Hussein does these types of experiments. Tell me, what is the difference between what Bush Inc. wants to allow and what Saddam does? " Ray McAllister, vice president for science and regulatory affairs for the American Crop Protection Association, said, " When the need exists, the tests can be very important for understanding the safety of a particular product. " He also said the risks to volunteers " is minuscule; it's actually much lower than the risks of pharmaceuticals. " " I want to point out here that the U.S. government and industry have very poor track records when it comes to being truthful about the crippling and even lethal effects of pesticides, other chemicals, and even pharmaceuticals. The way this " heads we win, tails you lose " scam works is that the U.S. government and industry labels adverse reactions to chemicals and drugs as " psychological " and claims that the health problems the person is suffering is due to the person being unable to handle psychological stress. Check out the Insurance Justice website and do a search for CFIDS (Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome), CFS, or judydoc for detailed information on how the government ignores evidence from around the world as to CFIDS being a physical condition and keeps insisting that it is psychological. There is a clause in most disability insurance policies that state that if a condition is psychological the insurance company only has to pay for two years (instead of a lifetime or until a cure or adequate treatment is found). http://www.insurancejustice.com/ The same thing scam is pulled on service men and women who contacted Gulf War Syndrome. Check out the National Gulf War Resource Center: http://www.ngwrc.org/contents.htm Check out the " Network TV " section of the North Carolina Chemical Injury Network website for information on " Junk Journalism " by super-ho John Stossel: http://www.ncchem.com/ More from the E.P.A. article: " Critics say the agency is being pushed by the pesticide industry for commercial gain — not a good enough reason for humans to swallow known poisons, even if paid. " " There's no reason to do this, " said Dr. Herbert Needleman, a professor of psychiatry and pediatrics at the University of Pittsburgh, and a member of the Clinton scientific advisory panel. The panel concluded that human tests could be done only if there were a compelling public health need. " " This is a power move on the part of the pesticide manufacturers, and the E.P.A. administrator and others rolled over, " Dr. Needleman said. " Erik Olson, a lawyer for the Natural Resources Defense Council, an environmental watchdog group, said that allowing human tests would violate the Nuremberg Code. " " The Nuremberg Code says you can only do human testing if it yields fruitful results for the good of society that you can't achieve any other way, " Mr. Olson said. That has traditionally been interpreted to mean drugs that might benefit the test subjects and society at large. " To test something that's a known poison merely to advance corporate profits is not appropriate. " " That's what it's all about and the only thing that matters to Bush, Inc.: PROFITS. ///////////////////////////////////////////// Intro to Doctors Trial from Nuremberg War Crimes Trials: " On December 9, 1946, an American military tribunal opened criminal proceedings against 23 leading German physicians and administrators for their willing participation in war crimes and crimes against humanity. In Nazi Germany, German physicians planned and enacted the " Euthanasia " Program, the systematic killing of those they deemed " unworthy of life. " The victims included the mentally retarded, the institutionalized mentally ill, and the physically impaired. Further, during World War II, German physicians conducted pseudoscientific medical experiments utilizing thousands of concentration camp prisoners without their consent. Most died or were permanently crippled as a result. Most of the victims were Jews, Poles, Russians, and also Roma (Gypsies). After almost 140 days of proceedings, including the testimony of 85 witnesses and the submission of almost 1,500 documents, the American judges pronounced their verdict on August 20, 1947. Sixteen of the doctors were found guilty. Seven were sentenced to death. They were executed on June 2, 1948. " ///////////////////////////// Testimony from some of the victims of Nazi " scientific " experimentation on humans: " TESTIMONY ENTERED AS EVIDENCE IN THE MEDICAL CASE [from National Archives Record Group 238, M887] ---------- ---- " FATHER LEO MIECHALOWSKI Born March 22, 1909, in Babrzezne, Poland Father Miechalowski, a Roman Catholic Priest, was arrested along with other Polish priests by the Germans after the invasion of Poland in 1939. He was deported to the Sachsenhausen camp, north of Berlin, and in 1940 was transferred to Dachau concentration camp near Munich, Germany. While in Dachau, Father Miechalowski was selected against his will as a subject for medical experiments. He was intentionally infected with Malaria so that various compounds could be tested. Further, he was subjected to hypothermia experiments. American forces liberated Dachau in April 1945. On December 21, 1946, Father Miechalowski testified for the prosecution at the Doctors Trial about the medical experiments before an American military tribunal in Nuremberg, Germany. " VLADISLAVA KAROLEWSKA Born March 15, 1909, in Yeroman, Poland Before World War II, Vladislava Karolewska was a school teacher in Grudenz. In 1939, when the Germans invaded Poland, she moved to Lublin to live with her sister. Karolewska joined the anti-German resistance in Poland and served as a courier. The Germans arrested her in February 1941. She was interrogated in Lublin and then deported to Ravensbrueck concentration camp, north of Berlin in Germany. There, Karolewska was selected against her will as a subject in bone regeneration experiments. After Soviet forces liberated Ravensbrueck, Karolewska returned to Poland, moving to Warsaw. On December 20, 1946, Karolewska testified for the prosecution at the Doctors Trial before an American military tribunal in Nuremberg, Germany. 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