Some more thoughts on releasing Dragons

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The ID/ED treatments are said to be "releasing the 7 Dragons to chase away the 7 Demons". The demons are Gui - negative spirits. The 7 Dragons are positive - working for you.

 

-Anne

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When I first read the posts on releasing Dragons, I automatically thought in

terms of something negative being released and sent away. But what if in

some cases the Dragons that are released (or unbound) are Dragons of

healing?

 

I'm far more familiar with the Western archetype of the dragon than with the

Eastern archetype. They aren't always equivalent.

 

In the West, the winged dragon sometimes is a symbol of transcendence. (Man

and His Symbols, Carl G. Jung, p. 155.)

 

Also, dragons can be a symbol of wisdom and power. Some people are very

afraid of their own power (and the implied responsibility to use it wisely).

Sometimes when people undergo healing crises in which archetypical images

float into consciousness from deeper levels of consciousness, dragons are

some of those archetypes and can represent the power to change things for

the better.

 

Dragons also can be a spiritual archetype. The winged ones can represent

evolving spirituality. (Winged serpents, winged horses, etc. also can

represent this.) When a being which is not normally winged is winged, this

represents transcendence. Something old and earthbound has evolved into

something at home in more than one realm, in this case earth and heaven.

 

The negative aspect of the dragon archetype is chthonic confusion and chaos.

But dragons also can symbolize the ability to face things as they are with

the power to change those things for the better. Dragons sometimes appear

in the dreams and meditation experiences of people who are ready to turn

away from denial. It is only when people face just how bad things are that

they are able to change things. As long as a person is living in denial,

the person's energy is going into maintaining illusion instead of changing

the reality into something much better.

 

Dragons also can be symbols of honest emotions - especially more tender

emotions such as caring about others and having empathy. It takes a strong

person to really love. The dragon archetype can teach that whenever someone

loves you (really loves you as opposed to lust, being a trophy, etc.), you

have been honored with a sacred responsibility. A part of that sacred

responsibility is to live up to the best that you are. Only the lowest of

the low fail to grasp what a great honor it is to be loved and the honored

trust and responsibility that this bestows.

 

The dragon archetype also can teach that the smug and the arrogant are

incapable of real love. The smug and arrogant value others only as symbols

of their own advancement and obtainment. This is one of the hard truths

that dragons can force one to face and give one the strength to face.

 

Someone else more familiar than I am with the Eastern concept of the dragon

may be able to present more of that archetype. As I said, I'm far more

familiar with the Western concept than with the Eastern concept of the

dragon.

 

Victoria

 

 

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Hi Judy. Here's my viewpoint.

 

--- Judy Fitzgerald <victoria_dragon

wrote: > When I first read the posts on releasing

Dragons, I

> automatically thought in

> terms of something negative being released and sent

> away. But what if in

> some cases the Dragons that are released (or

> unbound) are Dragons of

> healing?

 

This is a good point, and I would go further. A

pathogenic wind evil is not at all - not even a

smidgen - pathogenically evil to itself. It is a

pathogenic wind evil only in relation to 'us'. I am

sure [virii] are perfectly happy being who they truly

are! ;}

It seems to be only us who have a problem with that.

 

I believe that Internal Dragons are not one thing or

another (evil/good) - what they are, primarily, is

'powerful'. That's what the whole concept of 'dragon'

embodies. What we do with a dragon may, in fact,

determine it's evilness or goodness...actually, then,

/our/ evilness or goodness.

 

A positive, healing, dragon only heals in a

particular way, whilst the negative dragon heals in

its own particular way. Healing, as we understand it,

does not occcur from a place of [perfect] health. The

whole process of healing, growth, transformation and

enlightenment is inseparable from 'disease',

'destruction', 'delusion', or 'death'. It's all one.

So my point is that going with the situation, moving

with the pattern, is the important thing, rather than

fixating on expelling this dragon or that dragon.

Everything is healing. Too much emphasis is often

placed on 'negative' or 'evil' as being 'Wrong'. Not

in my opinion. 'Negative/Evil' is simply information.

Part of the pattern.

 

Many cultures, including the Chinese, have a place

for permanently crazy people. Permanently crazy people

who have no need of healing, and have a function in

life as portals beyond mundane perception...I guess

their internal dragons won't be driven away.

 

> The negative aspect of the dragon archetype is

> chthonic confusion and chaos.

 

Yes, I think that's true as well.

Order is chaos ordered, and chaos is simply order

disordered. One to the other, it's the same thing

moving.

Lao-Tse and Buddha taught this, as did many others.

And it's said that Confucious once said, after meeting

Lao-Tse, that, " I have met a Dragon. Ceaselessly

changing, and in perfect harmony with the Dao. "

 

> Only the lowest of

> the low fail to grasp what a great honor it is to be

> loved

 

<ooof>

 

> The dragon archetype also can teach that the smug

> and the arrogant are

> incapable of real love.

 

I don't really disagree that smugness and arrogance

are barriers to enacting real love, if I may put it

that way...but Incapable of real love?

Everyone Has an essential true nature (presumably

because that is the nature of our present totality, of

our present total existence).

I believe that that Total Essence is love (not

romantic love) and that therefore 'The Arrogant' and

'The Smug' are like flowers - during their night, they

may be tightly shut, but they too will have their time

to open.

 

Sometimes, a patient is unwilling to participate on

this path called 'healing'...which has many ups, many

downs, and a purpose for every fifth of a step that we

take on it.

A quick catapult to a [barely] functioning level of

'health' is what many people seek, and _this_, to me,

is a terrible and even evil internal dragon.

That's my point of view, and that's why I wrote so

much.

Thanks for reading.

 

Hugo

 

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hi Anne_

Q: what is the difference "internal" vs. "external" in diagnosis, and when are they indicated?. rather, when would you choose to use the external dragon, and not the internal dragons tx?. I am writing a paper on acupuncture for psycho-emotional disturbances, and this info would help... Thanks, Skip

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Chinese Traditional Medicine, ajeffres@a... wrote:

> The ID/ED treatments are said to be " releasing the 7 Dragons to

chase away

> the 7 Demons " . The demons are Gui - negative spirits. The 7 Dragons

are

> positive - working for you.

 

I wonder where the origin of the saying " man would rather face the 7

dragons he knows than the 1 dragon he doesn't " comes from? It's used

to explain one's fear of change.

 

sue

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>The ID/ED treatments are said to be " releasing the 7 Dragons to chase away

>the 7 Demons " . The demons are Gui - negative spirits. The 7 Dragons are

>positive - working for you.

 

Thanks, Anne. This makes some things clearer.

 

Victoria

 

 

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In a message dated 9/10/01 6:44:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, skip8080 writes:

 

 

hi Anne_ Q: what is the difference "internal" vs. "external" in diagnosis, and when are they indicated?. rather, when would you choose to use the external dragon, and not the internal dragons tx?. I am writing a paper on acupuncture for psycho-emotional disturbances, and this info would help... Thanks, Skip

 

Skip,

Internal and External mainly refer to the classical 7 internal causes of disease and 7 external causes of disease of Chinese medicine. The internal demons are the 7 emotions - being so overwhelmed by one emotion that it takes over a person. I've seen this a lot when someone experiences such intense fear, or anger, or grief,... that it takes over their being. Doing the Internal Dragon treatment allows them to be present again, and be able to experience and move through each of the emotions

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Thanks Anne- I've used a good tx for trauma, (car accident, etc,..) Sj5 , st36 moxa ren 6 to good effect. This comes from Johns' "The art of acupuncture techniques", excellent book, btw. Thanks again .

-Skip