Channels on both sides?

July 15, 2001

> Now, on the cycle of energy through the meridians.... they actually do > flow into one another. Most charts only show the more surface flow of > the channels; they also branch off and go more internally where they > flow through the organs and connect with each other. The Jin Shin > workbook 1 from my High Touch acupressure course shows how each one > ends and changes into another. The `day' starts with Wood energy, the > young, new growth qi, and progresses through the day according to the > nourishing cycle of the five elements.

I know all this, but I need to know why does the qi flow in the order that it does? It seems that the cycle both ends and begins with wood energy, but how come metal energy is next in the cycle? Wood energy doesn't nourish metal. You know? I need to know stuff like that.

What functions are occuring when each meridian is at its peak? Also, what about people who's sleep schedules are reversed? Is it any different for them?

Of course to fully understand the cycles we must first understand the internal and external trajectories of the organs pathways. For this you can also reffer to my website.

http://www.lieske.com/5e.htm

I don't know if this board allows attachments, but if you would look at the picture I've attached it's the correct 24 hour cycle of energy.

The brighter colored sections represent the yang organs, while the dark are yin.

This "yin to yin, yin to yang, yang to yang, yang to yin" cycle occurs 3 times in the body every 24 hours. What is the significance of this? If you pair up the four organs that make up on of these cycles, are they carrying out equal functions as the other 4 pairs in their cycle? [hope that makes sense]

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Also, could someone explain the second illustration? I got this off of a chart I found, I beleive it's showing the connections between the organs and the ren mai and du mai.

> I'm also trying to understand the theory of the circulation of the twelve channels (Lung to Large Intestine to Stomach to Spleen etc). I'd like to understand why qi circles this way, what occurs during the 'peak' activity of each meridian (how is qi distributed to each organ, etc.), and how this cycle relates to five-phase cycles?> > Are there any online articles or any books that explain this in detail?I'll have a go at answering this....The meridians give energy to the organs, but are not to be thought of the same as the organs themselves. Energy is also yin or yang, as are the sides of the body. The qi flow may be disrupted on either side, perhaps depending on whether there is an excess or deficiency - yin or yang. Now, on the cycle of energy through the meridians.... they actually do flow into one another. Most charts only show the more surface flow of the channels; they also branch off and go more internally where they flow through the organs and connect with each other. The Jin Shin workbook 1 from my High Touch acupressure course shows how each one ends and changes into another. The `day' starts with Wood energy, the young, new growth qi, and progresses through the day according to the nourishing cycle of the five elements. I don't know of any online resource to help you out with; Daniel Reid's books have good information as do Between Heaven and Earth by Beinfield and Korngold and The Web That Has No Weaver by Kaptchuk.sue Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine

July 20, 2001

>> Also, could someone explain the second

>> illustration? I got this off of a chart

>> I found, I beleive it's showing the

>> connections between the organs and the

>> ren mai and du mai.

> Without the text to explain it I'm afraid it

> makes no sense (pretty maze though!)

> sue

I've attached a couple modified images (unfortunately in jpeg quality) with text

to give you a better idea.

The first thing you should noticed is that the organs are placed in order of the

zangfu clock.

Notice how the blue areas are connected to the yin organs and the red areas to

the yang organs.

I'm quite sure this isn't showing a relationship between the ren mai (conception

vessel) and du mai (governer vessel), because the stomach channel [i think] is

controlled by the ren mai, which is not linked to one of the 'yin circles'.

But what is it showing of the relationship between the organs that are connected

to each section?

For instance, regarding the blue areas, what is the [significance of] the

relationship between the:

heart and kidneys (innermost/darkest circle),

the pericardium and liver,

and the lungs and spleen (outermost/lightest circle)

Regarding the red areas, what is the [significance of] the relationship between

the:

large intestine and stomach (innermost/darkest circle)

small intestine and bladder

and the

triple burner and gall bladder (outermost/lightest circle)

Why are all these listed in the order they have been placed within the circle?

I think I know the answers to some of these questions, but I would really like

your help in completing the picture.

July 24, 2001

RE: looking at the Cyclical Flow of Qi in the Twelve Meridians/Organ Clock:

According to Zhang ZhongJing in the Shang Han Lun (Six Stages of Cold-Induced Disease Progression), the clock-cycle might be seen to correspond to a wave pattern/flow of Tai Yin of the Hand (LU1 to LU11) connecting to Yang Ming of the Hand (LI1 to LI20) connecting to Yang Ming of the Foot (ST1 to ST45) connecting to Tai Yin of the Foot (SP1 to SP21) followed by Shao Yin of the Foot (HT1 to HT9) connected to Tai Yang of the Hand (SI1 to SI19) connected to Tai Yang of the Foot (BL1 to BL67) connected to Shao Yin of the Foot (KD1 to KD27) connecting to Jue Yin of the Hand (PC1 to PC9) connected to Shao Yang of the Hand (TW1 to TW23) connected to Shao Yang of the Foot (GB1 to GB 44) connected to Jue Yin of the Foot (LV1 to LV14) which is in line to connect with LU1 again - Tai Yin of the Hand.

Can easily get the mind tied up in a knot following the pathways ... There is greater detailed information in entry and exit points (not necessarily correct above).

RE: the second chart. The significance in the pairs is Tai Yin, Shao Yin and Jue Yin; Yang Ming, Tai Yang and Shao Yang ... For greater confusion there are corresponding hexagrams and those relations/interactions... This is where I get fascinated and totally lost.

Good Luck,

Deborah Espesete

You wrote:

....I need to know why does the qi flow in the order that it does? It seems that the cycle both ends and begins with wood energy, but how come metal energy is next in the cycle? Wood energy doesn't nourish metal. You know? I need to know stuff like that.

This "yin to yin, yin to yang, yang to yang, yang to yin" cycle occurs 3 times in the body every 24 hours. What is the significance of this? If you pair up the four organs that make up on of these cycles, are they carrying out equal functions as the other 4 pairs in their cycle? [hope that makes sense]

Also, could someone explain the second illustration? I got this off of a chart I found, I beleive it's showing the connections between the organs and the ren mai and du mai.

But what is it showing of the relationship between the organs that are connected to each section? For instance, regarding the blue areas, what is the [significance of] the relationship between the: heart and kidneys (innermost/darkest circle), the pericardium and liver, and the lungs and spleen (outermost/lightest circle)Regarding the red areas, what is the [significance of] the relationship between the:large intestine and stomach (innermost/darkest circle)small intestine and bladderand thetriple burner and gall bladder (outermost/lightest circle)Why are all these listed in the order they have been placed within the circle?I think I know the answers to some of these questions, but I would really like your help in completing the picture.