Guest guest Posted April 3, 2001 Report Share Posted April 3, 2001 I'd be interested in any TCM protocols (or other non-traditonal ones) to increase the rate of recovery for limb fractures. Dr. Lev Fedyniak Student Physician --------------------------------Medical School for $3,500 Annual Tuition!!! Ask me how or viist: http://www.nadiyainc.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2001 Report Share Posted April 4, 2001 > Lev Fedyniak wrote: > > I'd be interested in any TCM protocols (or other non-traditonal ones) > to increase the rate of recovery for limb fractures. There's are two herbs used together which stimulate bone growth and repair. These two herbs are called " Xu Duan " Radix Dipsaci (translates to " connect what is broken " ) and " Du Zhong " Cortex Eucommiae Ulmoidis and they're used together to eliminate swelling and knit together fractured bones and torn ligaments. Wine fried Xu Duan and salt fried Du Zhong is indicated for this purpose. (Dui Yao by Phillippe Sionneau p. 70) Also used for this purpose is Resina Boswelliae (Ru Xiang), Resina Commiphorae Myrrhae (Mo Yao), Pyritum (Zi Ran Tong) Eupolyphaga seu steleophaga (Tu Bie Chong), Rhizoma Drynariae (Gu Sui Bu) translates to " mender of shattered bones " . (The English-Chinese Encyclopedia of Practical TCM- Higher Education Press, Beijing, China) This group of herbs is made up of blood activators for the swelling and trauma as well as Kidney Yang tonics which is indicated for the growth of health bone tissue. The bones are related to the Kidneys in TCM as is bone marrow, brain marrow, reproductive and maturization processes. That's especially interesting in that scietific research recently uncovered the fact that bone marrow could be put into the brain for specific pathologies, though the details escape me. No doubt, I could use a bit of that myself. : ) Be well. -- Al Stone L.Ac. <AlStone http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2001 Report Share Posted April 4, 2001 I have read that high levels of lead have been found in some Chinese herbs coming into the states. Can you recommend reliable companies from which to order? Thank you, Joanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2001 Report Share Posted April 4, 2001 Outstanding! Thank you. Lev - " Al Stone " <alstone <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Wednesday, April 04, 2001 2:09 AM Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Fractures > > > > Lev Fedyniak wrote: > > > > I'd be interested in any TCM protocols (or other non-traditonal ones) > > to increase the rate of recovery for limb fractures. > > There's are two herbs used together which stimulate bone growth and repair. > > These two herbs are called " Xu Duan " Radix Dipsaci (translates to > " connect what is broken " ) and " Du Zhong " Cortex Eucommiae Ulmoidis and > they're used together to eliminate swelling and knit together fractured > bones and torn ligaments. > > Wine fried Xu Duan and salt fried Du Zhong is indicated for this > purpose. (Dui Yao by Phillippe Sionneau p. 70) > > Also used for this purpose is Resina Boswelliae (Ru Xiang), Resina > Commiphorae Myrrhae (Mo Yao), Pyritum (Zi Ran Tong) Eupolyphaga seu > steleophaga (Tu Bie Chong), Rhizoma Drynariae (Gu Sui Bu) translates to > " mender of shattered bones " . (The English-Chinese Encyclopedia of > Practical TCM- Higher Education Press, Beijing, China) > > This group of herbs is made up of blood activators for the swelling and > trauma as well as Kidney Yang tonics which is indicated for the growth > of health bone tissue. The bones are related to the Kidneys in TCM as is > bone marrow, brain marrow, reproductive and maturization processes. > > That's especially interesting in that scietific research recently > uncovered the fact that bone marrow could be put into the brain for > specific pathologies, though the details escape me. No doubt, I could > use a bit of that myself. : ) > > Be well. > -- > Al Stone L.Ac. > <AlStone > http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com > > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2001 Report Share Posted April 4, 2001 JoOhio1 wrote: > > I have read that high levels of lead have been found in some Chinese herbs > coming into the states. > Can you recommend reliable companies from which to order? There was a report that was put out by the California Department of Health Services in which there was found adulterants to the patent formulas. Patent formulas means pills or other medicines for which one factory has the patent to manufacture this formula that everybody knows the ingredients to. Some of these formulas that are said to have heavy metals in them are not adulterants as the California report would have you believe. In fact, that are ingredients that are supposed to be there. Some minerals are Chinese herbs. As for the lead itself, you can see the few formulas that actually pose a hazard at: http://Acupuncture.com/Herbology/patent.htm Companies in the USA such as Lotus, Quali-herb, Brion, KPC, BMK and so forth are pretty good *to my understanding*. I have no way of testing their products myself. It is however not going to be easy for a non-practitioner of TCM herbalism to order from them as they don't deal with consumers directly. You'll need to order your herbs through a practitioner of TCM. You could also perhaps contact one of these companies and tell them you're a practitioner and want to start up an account. You'll just need to know what you want, they won't help you figure that out. Be well. -- Al Stone L.Ac. <AlStone http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2001 Report Share Posted April 6, 2001 Thank you for your information, Al. Let me explain the reason I asked my initial question. My dog just had surgery for a broken leg. In the book, Four Paws, Five Directions, by Cheryl Schwartz, DVM, it was recommended to give Chin Koo Tieh Shang Wan for fractures. Now I know this must slap in the face of TCM in that it's being used as a medication when the concept of TCM is the whole, not pieces/parts, but I was also trying to find the most gentle way to help him heal. Anyhow, that's what I was trying to do...help my dog heal. I have him on homeopathic remedies, but was just trying to aid the process as best as I knew how. If this was being done in ignorance, I am now ready for my thrashing. Thank you, Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2001 Report Share Posted April 6, 2001 JoOhio1 wrote: > > Thank you for your information, Al. > > Let me explain the reason I asked my initial question. My dog just had > surgery for a broken leg. In the book, Four Paws, Five Directions, by Cheryl > Schwartz, DVM, it was recommended to give Chin Koo Tieh Shang Wan for > fractures. > > Now I know this must slap in the face of TCM in that it's being used as a > medication when the concept of TCM is the whole, not pieces/parts, but I was > also trying to find the most gentle way to help him heal. > > Anyhow, that's what I was trying to do...help my dog heal. I have him on > homeopathic remedies, but was just trying to aid the process as best as I > knew how. > > If this was being done in ignorance, I am now ready for my thrashing. Unfortunately, I have no idea as to our previous conversation. I answer 50 mails per day... I don't see anything wrong with using herbs to help the bone heal. Be well. -- Al Stone L.Ac. <AlStone http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2001 Report Share Posted April 7, 2001 It appears my response did not go through. I just tried to modify my account today so that I could send and receive messages to all from my primary email address: lee @ emrcorp.com can somebody walk me through this? or can the moderator approve this email address, somehow? -------------------------- Moving on... (I know this post doesn't have anything to do with TCM, but, in case you aren't aware, there is a lot stuff going on involving the integration of Eastern Wisdom and Western technology. Can't explain how, but electronic medicine has a lot to do with it.) Here was my original post: In the book, " Cross Currents: The Perils of Electropollution, the Promise of Electromedicine " , they had a big section talking about an electronic apparatus that is used for making fractured bones heal more quickly. It works by placing two metal plates on the outside of the skin on each side of the fracture and running electromagnetic waves through it. Something about cell dedifferentiation..? You can also try a search on 'electronic homeopathy', or Electro Acupuncture according to Voll (EAV) Wish I could point you to a website that sold one of these devices or post some useful material, let me know if you find anything. Hope this comes in time enough to help your dog. : ) Lee Chinese Traditional Medicine, JoOhio1@a... wrote: > Thank you for your information, Al. > > Let me explain the reason I asked my initial question. My dog just had > surgery for a broken leg. In the book, Four Paws, Five Directions, by Cheryl > Schwartz, DVM, it was recommended to give Chin Koo Tieh Shang Wan for > fractures. > > Now I know this must slap in the face of TCM in that it's being used as a > medication when the concept of TCM is the whole, not pieces/parts, but I was > also trying to find the most gentle way to help him heal. > > Anyhow, that's what I was trying to do...help my dog heal. I have him on > homeopathic remedies, but was just trying to aid the process as best as I > knew how. > > If this was being done in ignorance, I am now ready for my thrashing. > > Thank you, > Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2001 Report Share Posted April 10, 2001 >I just tried to modify my account today so that I could send >and receive messages to all from my primary email >address: >lee @ emrcorp.com >can somebody walk me through this? or can the moderator approve this >email address, somehow? works (or doesn't work) in strange and mysterious ways. I had a lot of problems when changed over to . A lot of people did. It may be easier to just re with yur primary email address. >In the book, " Cross Currents: The Perils of Electropollution, the >Promise of Electromedicine " , they had a big section talking about an >electronic apparatus that is used for making fractured bones heal >more quickly. It works by placing two metal plates on the outside of >the skin on each side of the fracture and running electromagnetic >waves through it. I've heard of this. It's supposed to help bones knit quicker and can be especially helpful in the few cases where bones have trouble knitting. Victoria _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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