Headache/tension/pain occiputal region

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Does anyone have a treatment for pain and extreme tension/tightness

at occiputal ridge ..base of the skull....area...I have several

patients over the past year and am unable to release the pain or

tension with acupuncture and/or herbs.......would appereciate any

suggestions...

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>Does anyone have a treatment for pain and extreme tension/tightness

>at occiputal ridge ..base of the skull....area...I have several

>patients over the past year and am unable to release the pain or

>tension with acupuncture and/or herbs.......would appereciate any

>suggestions...

 

What points have you tried? Is the pain and tension/tightness ever worse on

one side than on the other?

 

Victoria

 

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I have tried a variety......local/ ashi.. Du17 B10 GB21 Amnian, GB20 GB39

SJ5 K4 SI3 B62,,,.................usually pain is on both sides and perhaps

oneside may be worse.....

 

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" Judy Fitzgerald " <victoria_dragon

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Sunday, March 04, 2001 12:12 AM

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Headache/tension/pain occiputal region

 

 

> >Does anyone have a treatment for pain and extreme tension/tightness

> >at occiputal ridge ..base of the skull....area...I have several

> >patients over the past year and am unable to release the pain or

> >tension with acupuncture and/or herbs.......would appereciate any

> >suggestions...

>

> What points have you tried? Is the pain and tension/tightness ever worse

on

> one side than on the other?

>

> Victoria

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>I have tried a variety......local/ ashi.. Du17 B10 GB21 Amnian, GB20 GB39

>SJ5 K4 SI3 B62,,,.................usually pain is on both sides and perhaps

>oneside may be worse.....

 

I just posted some information on occipital headaches. One thing I forgot

to mention in one of the posts is that sometimes asking a client if a

particular part of the back (or rest of the body) hurts a lot can provide a

clue as to which acupoints need attention. Unfortunately, in the US many

people learn to ignore recurring pain as long as it's not crippling and may

not be prepared to answer this question at first.

 

I don't know where you live and what the guidelines are there for

acupunturists palpating (feeling) a client are, but sometimes palpating just

the back can give a wealth of information in the form of sore spots, heat,

cold, swelling, etc. These things can be important clues in exactly what

the underlying TCM Roots are and which acupoints may be particularly

helpful.

 

Victoria

 

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Further to the complexity of analysing headaches.

While occipital headaches may well involve the Bladder meridian, the Gall

Bladder and Bladder meridians come very close together at the occiput - GB

20 and UB 10 are very close together.

I have had several patients who came with Occipital headaches and my first

impulse was to think of the Bladder meridian.

Upon further careful examination, palpation and putting together all the

signs and symptoms, it became clear that the problem was more in the GB

channel and, consequently, treatment was very different.

 

As another example of channel confusion on the head and the dangers of

simplicity - people often say frontal headaches are Yang Ming in nature

(Stomach and Large Intestine), but I have had several frontal headache

people where the headache was precisely at GB 14 which is a Gall Bladder

point on the forehead!!! So to analyse headaches from a channel perspective,

you really have to know how the channels distribute over the head.

 

Cheers

Daniel

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what is the best resource (chart) etc for the acupoints?

 

thx

Dianne

 

 

Judy Fitzgerald <victoria_dragon

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Sunday, March 04, 2001 11:27 AM

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Headache/tension/pain occiputal region

 

 

>>I have tried a variety......local/ ashi.. Du17 B10 GB21 Amnian, GB20

>GB39

>>SJ5 K4 SI3 B62,,,.................usually pain is on both sides and

>perhaps

>>oneside may be worse.....

>

>I just posted some information on occipital headaches. One thing I

>forgot

>to mention in one of the posts is that sometimes asking a client if a

>particular part of the back (or rest of the body) hurts a lot can

>provide a

>clue as to which acupoints need attention. Unfortunately, in the US

>many

>people learn to ignore recurring pain as long as it's not crippling and

>may

>not be prepared to answer this question at first.

>

>I don't know where you live and what the guidelines are there for

>acupunturists palpating (feeling) a client are, but sometimes palpating

>just

>the back can give a wealth of information in the form of sore spots,

>heat,

>cold, swelling, etc. These things can be important clues in exactly

>what

>the underlying TCM Roots are and which acupoints may be particularly

>helpful.

>

>Victoria

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>Further to the complexity of analysing headaches.

>While occipital headaches may well involve the Bladder meridian, the Gall

>Bladder and Bladder meridians come very close together at the occiput - GB

>20 and UB 10 are very close together.

>I have had several patients who came with Occipital headaches and my first

>impulse was to think of the Bladder meridian.

>Upon further careful examination, palpation and putting together all the

>signs and symptoms, it became clear that the problem was more in the GB

>channel and, consequently, treatment was very different.

 

Thanks for some good information. Note to those new to TCM: This is why I

stress learning the TCM syndromes and having an idea of where the meridians

are. It's also why I went into detail about the headaches I had and

specifically mentioned that the place where my back often is sore (even

without my pressing on it) is in the vacinity of Bladder 23. In addition to

there being different things that can be wrong in the Bladder channel, some

occipital headaches can be due to problems in the Gall Bladder meridian. As

Daniel points out, the Bladder and Gall Bladder channels do run very close

together in the occipital area. Sometimes these headaches can be due to

problems in both the Bladder and Gall Bladder channels. In addition, there

may be other things that can trigger an occipital headache. Some of these

may lie outside the domain of TCM, for example, seeing a chiropractor for

back misalignment problems.

 

I know this can be very confusing and overwhelming to those new to TCM. So

many possibilities! But it's this very attention to the individual and the

recognition that the same symptom may have different Roots and require

different treatments that makes TCM so effective for so many things.

 

In time, after exposure to a lot of TCM concepts, it will start to make

sense. You'll learn what points to what. Patterns will start to stand out

for you. You'll know what the possible underlying TCM patterns as well as

the probables are for various symptoms. In the case of occipital headaches,

problems in the Bladder and Gall Bladder meridians are the most *probable*.

This does not mean that there can't be other Roots which will result in

occipital headaches. Just that these are the two most probable. The

greater one's familiarity is with TCM concepts, the more likely one is to be

able to pinpoint Roots, be they probable, known possibles, or even something

very complex and unusual.

 

Another concept I want to introduce here for those new to TCM is that there

is a difference between problems in channels and those in Organs. When the

problem is in a meridian, this is classified as an Exterior or a more

Exterior problem than when the Evil has penetrated to or arisen in an Organ.

Exterior problems will have symptoms in the Exterior - the head, the neck,

the arms, the limbs, the skin, the muscles, and the meridians. A problem is

in the Interior when it affects the Organs themselves, the trunk of the

body, and when there are changes in things like digestion, urination and

bowel habits, behavior, etc. Exterior Evils like Heat, Cold, Dampness, etc.

can invade to the Interior. Or, Evils can arise within the Organ. (In time

you'll learn examples of this.) In general, Exterior conditions will be

easier to treat than Interior imbalances, and Interior conditions in general

are considered less serious than Exterior imbalances. But again I want to

stress that just because a problem is Exterior in nature, this does not mean

that it isn't extremely painful and debilitating.

 

>As another example of channel confusion on the head and the dangers of

>simplicity - people often say frontal headaches are Yang Ming in nature

>(Stomach and Large Intestine), but I have had several frontal headache

>people where the headache was precisely at GB 14 which is a Gall Bladder

>point on the forehead!!! So to analyse headaches from a channel

>perspective,

>you really have to know how the channels distribute over the head.

 

And different symptoms can come from the same Root. The same thing that

gave rise to my severe headaches also were giving rise to TMJ

(temporomandibular joint) problems. Considering the number of people I know

who have had surgery for TMJ, and considering how many of those surgeries

were unsuccessful, I'm very happy and thankful to have found something that

cleared up both the TMJ and the severe headaches.<G>

 

For those new to TCM: One Root (or combination of Roots) can give rise to

many different problems. Many people can have the same symptom but have

different Roots; thus, the treatment for each will be different.

 

Victoria

 

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hmccollum wrote:

>

> Does anyone have a treatment for pain and extreme tension/tightness

> at occiputal ridge ..base of the skull....area...I have several

> patients over the past year and am unable to release the pain or

> tension with acupuncture and/or herbs.......would appereciate any

> suggestions...

 

What have you tried?

 

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Al Stone L.Ac.

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http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com

 

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

 

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