Guest guest Posted November 12, 2000 Report Share Posted November 12, 2000 I was wondering if you might have any suggestions for a pain that my mother, 84 yo, has on her left side. She has had this pain for years, previous ultrasounds, scans have been negative. It comes on quite severely, it seems, and then goes away after 30 seconds or so. She doesn't take anything for this and is otherwise healthy ex. for short term memory loss, and is on a heart med Diovan. She has never been to see a TCM and I would seriously love to take her to mine. She has recently moved in w/me and I am feeling very helpless to help her. I work in the cancer field at a local university cancer center, so have access to good medicine there, but feel it's not helping much. I am reluctant to put her thru too many more tests. thanks for your assistance. Dianne Judy Fitzgerald <victoria_dragon wiseweeds <wiseweeds >; Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Sunday, November 12, 2000 7:15 AM [Chinese Traditional Medicine] OT: Vaccinations & autism >My comments: From time to time I will forward information in that has >nothing to do with TCM or herbalism if I think there's a need for the >information to be more widely known. > >The possible link between vaccinations and autism and other problems is >one >of these. > >One of the main area of concern are the blanket vaccinations. These are > >when several vaccinations are given at the same time. Children's bodies > >and systems have not fully developed, and this may be too much of a >strain. >Note: Children's Spleens are not developed until I believe around the >age of >6. There may be some age and development issues which Western medicine >is >not considering but TCM would which would make vaccinations safer. > >Another main issue is DO NOT VACCINATE WHEN THE CHILD IS SICK OR HAS A >COMPROMISED IMMUNE SYSTEM. Even though this information is in the >package >insert, it frequently is ignored. > >Other issues concern the use of mercury in some vaccines. Another issue >which is not covered in this article but is covered in other articles is > >does the risk of the child catching the infection outweighed by the risk >of >the vaccination? The hepatitis B vaccination is a good example of this. > >Very, very few children come down with hepatitis B. > >A personal note: I am very, very suspicious of the " special British >medical >panel " as well as American panels that found no possible link between >vaccinations and autism and other problems. Some of the worst, most >flawed >(from a scientific methodology standpoint) studies I've seen have been >issued by special British and American medical panels. In many cases >subjects were included in the test group that did not meet the criteria >for >having the condition being studied. In at least one of these cases, >after it >was pointed out that most of the subjects in the test group did not meet >the >CDC or any other criteria for the condition, the researchers simply came >up >with their own very broad criteria while retaining the CDC name of the >condition and continued to conduct " studies " using their new criteria >and >reaching the same conclusions. It's a good idea to be familiar with >scientific methodlogy and to evaluate studies based on it. It's also a >good >idea to ask, " Who is funding these studies? " > >Victoria > >> >> Tucson, Arizona Sunday, 12 November 2000 >> >> >> MEDICINE >> Parents tie kids' shots to autism >> >> >> Benjie Sanders / Staff >> Maria Bardach nuzzles 6-year-old daughter >Marley, >>who was diagnosed as autistic after undergoing a standard battery of >>childhood immunizations as a toddler. " We lost her, " said Marley's >mother. >> >> Shots optional for Ariz. kids >> >> * Childhood vaccines are required by law >in >>42 states. Arizona is not one of them. >> Parents can obtain a waiver that allows >a >>child to enter school unvaccinated for " medical " or " personal " reasons. >> The " medical " reason requires >documentation >>from a physician. The " personal " reason can be religious, or simply the > >>parent's wishes. >> About 1 percent of Arizona >schoolchildren >>obtain these waivers. >> >> Doubting doctors say importance of vaccines >>outweighs any risk >> By Carla McClain >> ARIZONA DAILY STAR >> >> Today, our American children get some three >dozen >>doses of vaccines by the time they are 6 years old to protect them >against >>nearly a dozen diseases. >> >> The vaccines are hailed by physicians and >public >>health officials worldwide as one of the most extraordinary >achievements in >>medical history, all but eradicating the threat of dangerous, sometime >>fatal, childhood diseases. >> >> But some have also noted with alarm that as >the >>number of vaccines given to our children has increased, so have serious > >>chronic behavioral/medical disorders - most notably autism. >> >> Across the country, thousands of parents, >>including many in Tucson, have reported apparently healthy, sociable >>children withdrawing into the " mindblindness " of autism shortly after >>vaccination. These parents are convinced the vaccine " assault " is the >cause >>of their children's autism. >> >> But most doctors and health officials insist >there >>is absolutely no connection - other than coincidental timing - between >the >>onset of autism and vaccination. And they fear that those trying to >make >>that connection are threatening the health of the nation's children by >>questioning the safety of vaccines. >> >> * >> >> Marley Bardach was sick, running a fever, when >her >>mother took her to the doctor for her shots when she was almost a year >old. >> >> Marley was due for a myriad of vaccines, >including >>those against hepatitis B, polio, chicken pox, and measles, mumps and >>rubella. Her mother asked the doctor if she should get so many vaccines > >>while she was sick. Maria Bardach asked if perhaps they ought to wait >until >>Marley was healthy. >> >> " He said, 'Let's go ahead and she'll be >miserable >>only once,' " Bardach said. Marley got her shots. >> >> Hours later, Marley spiked a fever of 107 >degrees, >>her mother said. Within three weeks, Marley stopped talking. >> >> " We lost her. She stopped trying to say words. >She >>wouldn't play baby games anymore. She didn't want us to hold her. She >was >>almost catatonic - very floppy, like a rag doll. Her eyes were >dilated, " >>Bardach said. >> >> Marley has been diagnosed as autistic - a >>little-understoood syndrome of behavioral abnormalities marked by >>withdrawal from contact and communication, and developmental >regression, >>often complicated by severe gastrointestinal problems. >> >> Now 6 years old, Marley has undergone >intensive >>one-on-one intervention therapy for years, costing the Bardachs tens of > >>thousands of dollars. It is a burden they expect to carry for the rest >of >>Marley's now-disabled life. >> >> " I'm a mother who wholeheartedly believes the >>vaccines are to blame, " Bardach said. " There can be no other >explanation >>for what happened. >> >> " We are bombarded with the message that our >>children must have these vaccines, and we are not to question that, or >how >>or when they're given. The doctors want to eradicate these diseases, >and >>that's great, and we do have to think of the consequences of not >>vaccinating. >> >> " But what bothers me most is they always say, >>'We're going to lose a few children, but it's for the good of the >nation.' >> >> " But I lost one, and I can't say it's worth >it. " >> >> The president of the Pima County Medical >Society >>is calling for a national moratorium on all government-mandated >childhood >>vaccines. >> >> " Our children face the possibility of death or > >>serious long-term adverse effects from mandated vaccines that aren't >>necessary or that have very limited benefits, " said Dr. Jane Orient, a >>Tucson internist who is also executive director of the Association of >>American Physicians and Surgeons. >> >> A small group of some 6,000 U.S. doctors, the >AAPS >>is dedicated to keeping the government and the insurance industry out >of >>the practice of medicine. The group voted unanimously last week in >favor of >>the vaccine moratorium. >> >> Orient - like the parents she supports - >stressed >>that she is " not anti-vaccine. " >> >> But " there are a lot of carefully documented >case >>reports of parents noting dramatic changes in their children after >>vaccination - especially after the MMR (mumps, measles, rubella >>combination) shot, " Orient said in a recent interview. >> >> " It is really a difficult situation because >the >>vaccine proponents are right in saying there is no scientifically valid > >>proof of a connection between autism and vaccines. But it is also true >>there has been no real, prospective study to rule it out. . . . >> >> " My suspicion is there is probably a genetic >>predisposition in some children that makes them vulnerable to vaccine >>damage. >> >> " But we have to find out if there is a >problem. . >>. . We cannot go on with blanket mandates for vaccines that give no >>consideration to the individual medical condition of the child. >> >> " Any parent would choose a bout with the >measles >>over autism. It's an absoutely devastating condition. " >> >> Autism is being diagnosed at exponentially >higher >>rates than it was 15 or 20 years ago. Some studies are showing a >sevenfold >>increase in the last decade. It is striking about one of every 500 >American >>children now - one in 250 in some areas. >> >> But the vast majority of pediatricians and >>infectious disease specialists - in Tucson and nationwide - firmly >believe >>vaccines save the lives and health of millions of children, and pose >little >>or no danger to them. >> >> " This has been explored thoroughly, and all >the >>studies show there is no correlation whatsoever between immunization >and >>autism, " said Dr. Mary Cochran, a Tucson pediatrician. >> >> " There is no medical reason for people to be >as >>concerned as they are. There is no cause and effect between the two. " >> >> Some of the studies Cochran refers to followed >a >>report in the prestigious British medical journal Lancet on eight >children >>who developed severe autism, and chronic bowel problems soon after >getting >>the MMR vaccine. >> >> The physician studying these children >theorized >>that their neurologic problems were caused by malabsorption of >nutrients by >>their inflamed bowels, in turn linked to the viruses in the vaccine. >But he >>said that had not been proved and required more study. >> >> That doctor, Andrew Wakefield, pointed to >repeated >>reports by parents of brain damage their children suffered after >receiving >>the old pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine years ago. Public health >>officials dismissed the reports as too rare to be a concern. >> >> " Had (doctors) not raised the issue of adverse > >>neurological events with pertussis, shamefully there would have been no > >>imperative to produce a safer, acellular vaccine " now in use, Wakefield > >>said. The new pertussis vaccine is considered far safer than the old >one, >>everyone now agrees. >> >> Wakefield's report resulted in a large >>epidemiological survey by a special British medical panel that found no > >>higher rates of autism among vaccinated than unvaccinated children. The > >>study also noted that the rise in autism began around 1979 and did not >>spike after the MMR vaccine was introduced in 1988. >> >> Similar studies done by the Institute of >Medicine >>in this country have come to the same conclusion. >> >> " Autism symptoms come up at a certain age in >>childhood that happens to be the age when the vaccines are being >given, " >>said Dr. Ziad Shehab, University of Arizona pediatric infectious >disease >>specialist. " That does not mean there is a relationship. >> >> " The timing of the two is similar. It's a >>coincidence, not a cause and effect. " >> >> But the point physicians stress most strongly >is >>that the damage done by these childhood diseases is far greater than >any >>vaccine side effects. >> >> A measles outbreak in this country in the late > >>1980s killed 120 children and hospitalized 11,000 more, according to >the >>American Academy of Pediatrics. >> >> Vaccines are credited with eliminating >smallpox, >>conquering polio, and bringing measles, mumps, whooping cough, >diphtheria, >>tetanus and infant meningitis under control. >> >> " These are really fantastic improvements, " >said >>Shehab. " We have pediatricians today who never see the diseases we saw >15 >>years ago - diseases that killed and disabled children. It is one of >the >>most extraordinary achievements of science. " >> >> Even Dr. Andrew Weil, internationally known >for >>combining alternative and natural remedies with mainstream medicine, is >a >>fierce defender of almost all childhood vaccines. >> >> However, Weil does strongly disagree with most > >>doctors on this point: >> >> " First and foremost, never immunize children >when >>they're not healthy, " Weil writes in his newsletter. And that includes >such >>mild ailments as a colds or earaches, he says. >> >> This point is crucial to many parents who >believe >>vaccines damaged their children. None is calling for an end to >childhood >>immunization. >> >> Almost all of them believe their children were > >>damaged because they were vaccinated when they were sick, or had >undetected >>immune or auto-immune deficiencies that made them susceptible to >>catastrophic reactions. >> >> " We are not anti-vaccine, " said Jenny Hill of >>Nogales, now a national activist in the autism community. >> >> " At the heart of the autism community are >hundreds >>and hundreds of families that are absolutely convinced that any >compromise >>in a child's immune system - even a simple cold - puts them at risk >when >>they're vaccinated. But doctors today routinely give these shots - >>sometimes nine doses in a single day - to sick kids. It's extremely >>dangerous. " >> >> Hill's son Wally was born after a difficult >>pregnancy involving placental problems. He had a bad reaction to his >first >>round of shots at 4 months and suffered continual sinus infections >after >>that. >> >> At 21 months, when Wally was on antibiotics >for >>yet another sinus infection, he got another round of four vaccines in >one >>day. >> >> " Two weeks later, he came down with severe >>diarrhea that lasted a year. He lost his speech, he stopped looking at >us, >>he stopped reacting to the world around him, " Hill said. " He pushed me >>away. He got night terrors - he would wake up screaming. He lost all >the >>expression in his face. " >> >> Hill believes Wally - now diagnosed with >>full-blown autism - was a vulnerable child with immune system >deficiencies >>that developed in utero. >> >> " I have absolutely no doubt that if he had not > >>been given so many vaccines in one day when he was sick, and on >>antibiotics, he would not be autistic today. " >> >> Most Tucson pediatricians admit they vaccinate >if >>a child has a " mild " illness - a cold, ear or sinus infections, even a >low >>fever. >> >> " Certainly, if a child's immune system is >working >>on an infection and you give them a viral antigen in a vaccine, I can >see >>where some might think it's a danger, " said UA pediatrician Dr. Burris >>Duncan. >> >> " But if you send them home without the shots, >>you've missed the opportunity to vaccinate. You must immunize them when >you >>have them. So many parents will not return later. >> >> " If we only vaccinated children when they are >>well, we would miss a tremendous number of children, and that would be >very >>dangerous. " >> >> The measles outbreak in the late '80s was >blamed >>on the old policy of deferring vaccination when kids had colds, said >Dr. >>Elizabeth MacNeill, Pima County medical director. >> >> " Truthfully, kids can get vaccines very, very >>safely when they have a mild illness or a low fever, " she said. >> >> But Utah State University biologist Vijendra >>Singh, who has specialized in autism and immune system research for 15 >>years, says his and others' research is showing " a clear conclusion >that >>there is a relationship between the MMR vaccine and autoimmune reaction >in >>autistic children. " >> >> " Evidence is accumulating to support that >>connection. " >> >> Stressing that he is " a strong advocate " of >>vaccination, Singh said, " Vaccines should be continued. But I highly >>recommend to parents that before immunization, a child should be tested >for >>an appropriately functioning immune system, or any infection or >allergy. >>It's a simple blood test, and it's not very expensive, maybe $100. " >> >> He pointed out that the vaccine manufacturer's > >>information sheet clearly warns against giving them to >immune-compromised >>children. >> >> " Quite frankly, I don't think doctors or >nurses >>even consider this warning. They just give the shot, no questions >asked. " >> >> The only thing public health officials are >>conceding about possible risk in today's vaccines is the mercury >>preservative used in several of them. >> >> Saying the risk is " only theoretical " at this >>point, the U.S. Public Health Service has ordered mercury to be " phased > >>out " of childhood vaccines within the next few years. >> >> But a national safe-vaccine advocacy group has > >>filed a federal lawsuit demanding an immediate recall of all >>mercury-containing vaccines. >> >> * Contact Carla McClain at 806-7754 or at >>cmcclain. >> >>Front Page | Tucson | Opinion | Business | Sports | Accent | >Entertainment >>WEATHER | VOTE 2000 | AZ/WEST | NATIONAL | WASHINGTON | WORLD | E THE >>PEOPLE | AP WIRE | NEWSLINKS >> >>© Arizona Daily Star > >______________________ >_ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > >Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2000 Report Share Posted November 13, 2000 hi, it's impossible to say anything with out knowing your mothers tongue and pulses. but i have found that drinking room temperature water with a slice of lemon is helpful with torso pain with no western cause. suggest that she drinks several glasses a day and ask her see your practitioner. hope this is helpful, kira Dianne Moody <dmoody Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Sunday, November 12, 2000 11:57 AM [Chinese Traditional Medicine] TCM and healing of elderly? >I was wondering if you might have any suggestions for a pain that my mother, >84 yo, has on her left side. She has had this pain for years, previous >ultrasounds, scans have been negative. It comes on quite severely, it seems, >and then goes away after 30 seconds or so. She doesn't take anything for >this and is otherwise healthy ex. for short term memory loss, and is on a >heart med Diovan. She has never been to see a TCM and I would seriously >love to take her to mine. She has recently moved in w/me and I am feeling >very helpless to help her. I work in the cancer field at a local university >cancer center, so have access to good medicine there, but feel it's not >helping much. I am reluctant to put her thru too many more tests. >thanks for your assistance. >Dianne > >Judy Fitzgerald <victoria_dragon >wiseweeds <wiseweeds >; >Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine > >Sunday, November 12, 2000 7:15 AM >[Chinese Traditional Medicine] OT: Vaccinations & autism > > >>My comments: From time to time I will forward information in that has >>nothing to do with TCM or herbalism if I think there's a need for the >>information to be more widely known. >> >>The possible link between vaccinations and autism and other problems is >>one >>of these. >> >>One of the main area of concern are the blanket vaccinations. These are >> >>when several vaccinations are given at the same time. Children's bodies >> >>and systems have not fully developed, and this may be too much of a >>strain. >>Note: Children's Spleens are not developed until I believe around the >>age of >>6. There may be some age and development issues which Western medicine >>is >>not considering but TCM would which would make vaccinations safer. >> >>Another main issue is DO NOT VACCINATE WHEN THE CHILD IS SICK OR HAS A >>COMPROMISED IMMUNE SYSTEM. Even though this information is in the >>package >>insert, it frequently is ignored. >> >>Other issues concern the use of mercury in some vaccines. Another issue >>which is not covered in this article but is covered in other articles is >> >>does the risk of the child catching the infection outweighed by the risk >>of >>the vaccination? The hepatitis B vaccination is a good example of this. >> >>Very, very few children come down with hepatitis B. >> >>A personal note: I am very, very suspicious of the " special British >>medical >>panel " as well as American panels that found no possible link between >>vaccinations and autism and other problems. Some of the worst, most >>flawed >>(from a scientific methodology standpoint) studies I've seen have been >>issued by special British and American medical panels. In many cases >>subjects were included in the test group that did not meet the criteria >>for >>having the condition being studied. In at least one of these cases, >>after it >>was pointed out that most of the subjects in the test group did not meet >>the >>CDC or any other criteria for the condition, the researchers simply came >>up >>with their own very broad criteria while retaining the CDC name of the >>condition and continued to conduct " studies " using their new criteria >>and >>reaching the same conclusions. It's a good idea to be familiar with >>scientific methodlogy and to evaluate studies based on it. It's also a >>good >>idea to ask, " Who is funding these studies? " >> >>Victoria >> >>> >>> Tucson, Arizona Sunday, 12 November 2000 >>> >>> >>> MEDICINE >>> Parents tie kids' shots to autism >>> >>> >>> Benjie Sanders / Staff >>> Maria Bardach nuzzles 6-year-old daughter >>Marley, >>>who was diagnosed as autistic after undergoing a standard battery of >>>childhood immunizations as a toddler. " We lost her, " said Marley's >>mother. >>> >>> Shots optional for Ariz. kids >>> >>> * Childhood vaccines are required by law >>in >>>42 states. Arizona is not one of them. >>> Parents can obtain a waiver that allows >>a >>>child to enter school unvaccinated for " medical " or " personal " reasons. >>> The " medical " reason requires >>documentation >>>from a physician. The " personal " reason can be religious, or simply the >> >>>parent's wishes. >>> About 1 percent of Arizona >>schoolchildren >>>obtain these waivers. >>> >>> Doubting doctors say importance of vaccines >>>outweighs any risk >>> By Carla McClain >>> ARIZONA DAILY STAR >>> >>> Today, our American children get some three >>dozen >>>doses of vaccines by the time they are 6 years old to protect them >>against >>>nearly a dozen diseases. >>> >>> The vaccines are hailed by physicians and >>public >>>health officials worldwide as one of the most extraordinary >>achievements in >>>medical history, all but eradicating the threat of dangerous, sometime >>>fatal, childhood diseases. >>> >>> But some have also noted with alarm that as >>the >>>number of vaccines given to our children has increased, so have serious >> >>>chronic behavioral/medical disorders - most notably autism. >>> >>> Across the country, thousands of parents, >>>including many in Tucson, have reported apparently healthy, sociable >>>children withdrawing into the " mindblindness " of autism shortly after >>>vaccination. These parents are convinced the vaccine " assault " is the >>cause >>>of their children's autism. >>> >>> But most doctors and health officials insist >>there >>>is absolutely no connection - other than coincidental timing - between >>the >>>onset of autism and vaccination. And they fear that those trying to >>make >>>that connection are threatening the health of the nation's children by >>>questioning the safety of vaccines. >>> >>> * >>> >>> Marley Bardach was sick, running a fever, when >>her >>>mother took her to the doctor for her shots when she was almost a year >>old. >>> >>> Marley was due for a myriad of vaccines, >>including >>>those against hepatitis B, polio, chicken pox, and measles, mumps and >>>rubella. Her mother asked the doctor if she should get so many vaccines >> >>>while she was sick. Maria Bardach asked if perhaps they ought to wait >>until >>>Marley was healthy. >>> >>> " He said, 'Let's go ahead and she'll be >>miserable >>>only once,' " Bardach said. Marley got her shots. >>> >>> Hours later, Marley spiked a fever of 107 >>degrees, >>>her mother said. Within three weeks, Marley stopped talking. >>> >>> " We lost her. She stopped trying to say words. >>She >>>wouldn't play baby games anymore. She didn't want us to hold her. She >>was >>>almost catatonic - very floppy, like a rag doll. Her eyes were >>dilated, " >>>Bardach said. >>> >>> Marley has been diagnosed as autistic - a >>>little-understoood syndrome of behavioral abnormalities marked by >>>withdrawal from contact and communication, and developmental >>regression, >>>often complicated by severe gastrointestinal problems. >>> >>> Now 6 years old, Marley has undergone >>intensive >>>one-on-one intervention therapy for years, costing the Bardachs tens of >> >>>thousands of dollars. It is a burden they expect to carry for the rest >>of >>>Marley's now-disabled life. >>> >>> " I'm a mother who wholeheartedly believes the >>>vaccines are to blame, " Bardach said. " There can be no other >>explanation >>>for what happened. >>> >>> " We are bombarded with the message that our >>>children must have these vaccines, and we are not to question that, or >>how >>>or when they're given. The doctors want to eradicate these diseases, >>and >>>that's great, and we do have to think of the consequences of not >>>vaccinating. >>> >>> " But what bothers me most is they always say, >>>'We're going to lose a few children, but it's for the good of the >>nation.' >>> >>> " But I lost one, and I can't say it's worth >>it. " >>> >>> The president of the Pima County Medical >>Society >>>is calling for a national moratorium on all government-mandated >>childhood >>>vaccines. >>> >>> " Our children face the possibility of death or >> >>>serious long-term adverse effects from mandated vaccines that aren't >>>necessary or that have very limited benefits, " said Dr. Jane Orient, a >>>Tucson internist who is also executive director of the Association of >>>American Physicians and Surgeons. >>> >>> A small group of some 6,000 U.S. doctors, the >>AAPS >>>is dedicated to keeping the government and the insurance industry out >>of >>>the practice of medicine. The group voted unanimously last week in >>favor of >>>the vaccine moratorium. >>> >>> Orient - like the parents she supports - >>stressed >>>that she is " not anti-vaccine. " >>> >>> But " there are a lot of carefully documented >>case >>>reports of parents noting dramatic changes in their children after >>>vaccination - especially after the MMR (mumps, measles, rubella >>>combination) shot, " Orient said in a recent interview. >>> >>> " It is really a difficult situation because >>the >>>vaccine proponents are right in saying there is no scientifically valid >> >>>proof of a connection between autism and vaccines. But it is also true >>>there has been no real, prospective study to rule it out. . . . >>> >>> " My suspicion is there is probably a genetic >>>predisposition in some children that makes them vulnerable to vaccine >>>damage. >>> >>> " But we have to find out if there is a >>problem. . >>>. . We cannot go on with blanket mandates for vaccines that give no >>>consideration to the individual medical condition of the child. >>> >>> " Any parent would choose a bout with the >>measles >>>over autism. It's an absoutely devastating condition. " >>> >>> Autism is being diagnosed at exponentially >>higher >>>rates than it was 15 or 20 years ago. Some studies are showing a >>sevenfold >>>increase in the last decade. It is striking about one of every 500 >>American >>>children now - one in 250 in some areas. >>> >>> But the vast majority of pediatricians and >>>infectious disease specialists - in Tucson and nationwide - firmly >>believe >>>vaccines save the lives and health of millions of children, and pose >>little >>>or no danger to them. >>> >>> " This has been explored thoroughly, and all >>the >>>studies show there is no correlation whatsoever between immunization >>and >>>autism, " said Dr. Mary Cochran, a Tucson pediatrician. >>> >>> " There is no medical reason for people to be >>as >>>concerned as they are. There is no cause and effect between the two. " >>> >>> Some of the studies Cochran refers to followed >>a >>>report in the prestigious British medical journal Lancet on eight >>children >>>who developed severe autism, and chronic bowel problems soon after >>getting >>>the MMR vaccine. >>> >>> The physician studying these children >>theorized >>>that their neurologic problems were caused by malabsorption of >>nutrients by >>>their inflamed bowels, in turn linked to the viruses in the vaccine. >>But he >>>said that had not been proved and required more study. >>> >>> That doctor, Andrew Wakefield, pointed to >>repeated >>>reports by parents of brain damage their children suffered after >>receiving >>>the old pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine years ago. Public health >>>officials dismissed the reports as too rare to be a concern. >>> >>> " Had (doctors) not raised the issue of adverse >> >>>neurological events with pertussis, shamefully there would have been no >> >>>imperative to produce a safer, acellular vaccine " now in use, Wakefield >> >>>said. The new pertussis vaccine is considered far safer than the old >>one, >>>everyone now agrees. >>> >>> Wakefield's report resulted in a large >>>epidemiological survey by a special British medical panel that found no >> >>>higher rates of autism among vaccinated than unvaccinated children. The >> >>>study also noted that the rise in autism began around 1979 and did not >>>spike after the MMR vaccine was introduced in 1988. >>> >>> Similar studies done by the Institute of >>Medicine >>>in this country have come to the same conclusion. >>> >>> " Autism symptoms come up at a certain age in >>>childhood that happens to be the age when the vaccines are being >>given, " >>>said Dr. Ziad Shehab, University of Arizona pediatric infectious >>disease >>>specialist. " That does not mean there is a relationship. >>> >>> " The timing of the two is similar. It's a >>>coincidence, not a cause and effect. " >>> >>> But the point physicians stress most strongly >>is >>>that the damage done by these childhood diseases is far greater than >>any >>>vaccine side effects. >>> >>> A measles outbreak in this country in the late >> >>>1980s killed 120 children and hospitalized 11,000 more, according to >>the >>>American Academy of Pediatrics. >>> >>> Vaccines are credited with eliminating >>smallpox, >>>conquering polio, and bringing measles, mumps, whooping cough, >>diphtheria, >>>tetanus and infant meningitis under control. >>> >>> " These are really fantastic improvements, " >>said >>>Shehab. " We have pediatricians today who never see the diseases we saw >>15 >>>years ago - diseases that killed and disabled children. It is one of >>the >>>most extraordinary achievements of science. " >>> >>> Even Dr. Andrew Weil, internationally known >>for >>>combining alternative and natural remedies with mainstream medicine, is >>a >>>fierce defender of almost all childhood vaccines. >>> >>> However, Weil does strongly disagree with most >> >>>doctors on this point: >>> >>> " First and foremost, never immunize children >>when >>>they're not healthy, " Weil writes in his newsletter. And that includes >>such >>>mild ailments as a colds or earaches, he says. >>> >>> This point is crucial to many parents who >>believe >>>vaccines damaged their children. None is calling for an end to >>childhood >>>immunization. >>> >>> Almost all of them believe their children were >> >>>damaged because they were vaccinated when they were sick, or had >>undetected >>>immune or auto-immune deficiencies that made them susceptible to >>>catastrophic reactions. >>> >>> " We are not anti-vaccine, " said Jenny Hill of >>>Nogales, now a national activist in the autism community. >>> >>> " At the heart of the autism community are >>hundreds >>>and hundreds of families that are absolutely convinced that any >>compromise >>>in a child's immune system - even a simple cold - puts them at risk >>when >>>they're vaccinated. But doctors today routinely give these shots - >>>sometimes nine doses in a single day - to sick kids. It's extremely >>>dangerous. " >>> >>> Hill's son Wally was born after a difficult >>>pregnancy involving placental problems. He had a bad reaction to his >>first >>>round of shots at 4 months and suffered continual sinus infections >>after >>>that. >>> >>> At 21 months, when Wally was on antibiotics >>for >>>yet another sinus infection, he got another round of four vaccines in >>one >>>day. >>> >>> " Two weeks later, he came down with severe >>>diarrhea that lasted a year. He lost his speech, he stopped looking at >>us, >>>he stopped reacting to the world around him, " Hill said. " He pushed me >>>away. He got night terrors - he would wake up screaming. He lost all >>the >>>expression in his face. " >>> >>> Hill believes Wally - now diagnosed with >>>full-blown autism - was a vulnerable child with immune system >>deficiencies >>>that developed in utero. >>> >>> " I have absolutely no doubt that if he had not >> >>>been given so many vaccines in one day when he was sick, and on >>>antibiotics, he would not be autistic today. " >>> >>> Most Tucson pediatricians admit they vaccinate >>if >>>a child has a " mild " illness - a cold, ear or sinus infections, even a >>low >>>fever. >>> >>> " Certainly, if a child's immune system is >>working >>>on an infection and you give them a viral antigen in a vaccine, I can >>see >>>where some might think it's a danger, " said UA pediatrician Dr. Burris >>>Duncan. >>> >>> " But if you send them home without the shots, >>>you've missed the opportunity to vaccinate. You must immunize them when >>you >>>have them. So many parents will not return later. >>> >>> " If we only vaccinated children when they are >>>well, we would miss a tremendous number of children, and that would be >>very >>>dangerous. " >>> >>> The measles outbreak in the late '80s was >>blamed >>>on the old policy of deferring vaccination when kids had colds, said >>Dr. >>>Elizabeth MacNeill, Pima County medical director. >>> >>> " Truthfully, kids can get vaccines very, very >>>safely when they have a mild illness or a low fever, " she said. >>> >>> But Utah State University biologist Vijendra >>>Singh, who has specialized in autism and immune system research for 15 >>>years, says his and others' research is showing " a clear conclusion >>that >>>there is a relationship between the MMR vaccine and autoimmune reaction >>in >>>autistic children. " >>> >>> " Evidence is accumulating to support that >>>connection. " >>> >>> Stressing that he is " a strong advocate " of >>>vaccination, Singh said, " Vaccines should be continued. But I highly >>>recommend to parents that before immunization, a child should be tested >>for >>>an appropriately functioning immune system, or any infection or >>allergy. >>>It's a simple blood test, and it's not very expensive, maybe $100. " >>> >>> He pointed out that the vaccine manufacturer's >> >>>information sheet clearly warns against giving them to >>immune-compromised >>>children. >>> >>> " Quite frankly, I don't think doctors or >>nurses >>>even consider this warning. They just give the shot, no questions >>asked. " >>> >>> The only thing public health officials are >>>conceding about possible risk in today's vaccines is the mercury >>>preservative used in several of them. >>> >>> Saying the risk is " only theoretical " at this >>>point, the U.S. Public Health Service has ordered mercury to be " phased >> >>>out " of childhood vaccines within the next few years. >>> >>> But a national safe-vaccine advocacy group has >> >>>filed a federal lawsuit demanding an immediate recall of all >>>mercury-containing vaccines. >>> >>> * Contact Carla McClain at 806-7754 or at >>>cmcclain. >>> >>>Front Page | Tucson | Opinion | Business | Sports | Accent | >>Entertainment >>>WEATHER | VOTE 2000 | AZ/WEST | NATIONAL | WASHINGTON | WORLD | E THE >>>PEOPLE | AP WIRE | NEWSLINKS >>> >>>© Arizona Daily Star >> >>______________________ >>_ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >>http://www.hotmail.com. >> >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >>http://profiles.msn.com. >> >> >> >> >> Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine >> Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- >> Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- >> List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner >> >>Shortcut URL to this page: >> /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > >Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2000 Report Share Posted November 13, 2000 Thanks very much for your response. Am to new at this to read pulses accurately. Tongue was good color but serrated around edges. Am going to take her this afternoon to see practitioner.. Thx Dianne - Liz Walther <ewalther <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Sunday, November 12, 2000 7:47 PM Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] TCM and healing of elderly? > hi, it's impossible to say anything with out knowing your mothers tongue > and > pulses. but i have found that drinking room temperature water with a > slice > of lemon is helpful with torso pain with no western cause. suggest that > she > drinks several glasses a day and ask her see your practitioner. hope > this is > helpful, kira > > > Dianne Moody <dmoody > Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine > > Sunday, November 12, 2000 11:57 AM > [Chinese Traditional Medicine] TCM and healing of elderly? > > > >I was wondering if you might have any suggestions for a pain that my > mother, > >84 yo, has on her left side. She has had this pain for years, previous > >ultrasounds, scans have been negative. It comes on quite severely, it > seems, > >and then goes away after 30 seconds or so. She doesn't take anything > for > >this and is otherwise healthy ex. for short term memory loss, and is on > a > >heart med Diovan. She has never been to see a TCM and I would > seriously > >love to take her to mine. She has recently moved in w/me and I am > feeling > >very helpless to help her. I work in the cancer field at a local > university > >cancer center, so have access to good medicine there, but feel it's not > >helping much. I am reluctant to put her thru too many more tests. > >thanks for your assistance. > >Dianne > > > >Judy Fitzgerald <victoria_dragon > >wiseweeds <wiseweeds >; > >Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine > > >Sunday, November 12, 2000 7:15 AM > >[Chinese Traditional Medicine] OT: Vaccinations & autism > > > > > >>My comments: From time to time I will forward information in that has > >>nothing to do with TCM or herbalism if I think there's a need for the > >>information to be more widely known. > >> > >>The possible link between vaccinations and autism and other problems > is > >>one > >>of these. > >> > >>One of the main area of concern are the blanket vaccinations. These > are > >> > >>when several vaccinations are given at the same time. Children's > bodies > >> > >>and systems have not fully developed, and this may be too much of a > >>strain. > >>Note: Children's Spleens are not developed until I believe around the > >>age of > >>6. There may be some age and development issues which Western > medicine > >>is > >>not considering but TCM would which would make vaccinations safer. > >> > >>Another main issue is DO NOT VACCINATE WHEN THE CHILD IS SICK OR HAS A > >>COMPROMISED IMMUNE SYSTEM. Even though this information is in the > >>package > >>insert, it frequently is ignored. > >> > >>Other issues concern the use of mercury in some vaccines. Another > issue > >>which is not covered in this article but is covered in other articles > is > >> > >>does the risk of the child catching the infection outweighed by the > risk > >>of > >>the vaccination? The hepatitis B vaccination is a good example of > this. > >> > >>Very, very few children come down with hepatitis B. > >> > >>A personal note: I am very, very suspicious of the " special British > >>medical > >>panel " as well as American panels that found no possible link between > >>vaccinations and autism and other problems. Some of the worst, most > >>flawed > >>(from a scientific methodology standpoint) studies I've seen have been > >>issued by special British and American medical panels. In many cases > >>subjects were included in the test group that did not meet the > criteria > >>for > >>having the condition being studied. In at least one of these cases, > >>after it > >>was pointed out that most of the subjects in the test group did not > meet > >>the > >>CDC or any other criteria for the condition, the researchers simply > came > >>up > >>with their own very broad criteria while retaining the CDC name of the > >>condition and continued to conduct " studies " using their new criteria > >>and > >>reaching the same conclusions. It's a good idea to be familiar with > >>scientific methodlogy and to evaluate studies based on it. It's also > a > >>good > >>idea to ask, " Who is funding these studies? " > >> > >>Victoria > >> > >>> > >>> Tucson, Arizona Sunday, 12 November 2000 > >>> > >>> > >>> MEDICINE > >>> Parents tie kids' shots to autism > >>> > >>> > >>> Benjie Sanders / Staff > >>> Maria Bardach nuzzles 6-year-old daughter > >>Marley, > >>>who was diagnosed as autistic after undergoing a standard battery of > >>>childhood immunizations as a toddler. " We lost her, " said Marley's > >>mother. > >>> > >>> Shots optional for Ariz. kids > >>> > >>> * Childhood vaccines are required by > law > >>in > >>>42 states. Arizona is not one of them. > >>> Parents can obtain a waiver that > allows > >>a > >>>child to enter school unvaccinated for " medical " or " personal " > reasons. > >>> The " medical " reason requires > >>documentation > >>>from a physician. The " personal " reason can be religious, or simply > the > >> > >>>parent's wishes. > >>> About 1 percent of Arizona > >>schoolchildren > >>>obtain these waivers. > >>> > >>> Doubting doctors say importance of vaccines > >>>outweighs any risk > >>> By Carla McClain > >>> ARIZONA DAILY STAR > >>> > >>> Today, our American children get some three > >>dozen > >>>doses of vaccines by the time they are 6 years old to protect them > >>against > >>>nearly a dozen diseases. > >>> > >>> The vaccines are hailed by physicians and > >>public > >>>health officials worldwide as one of the most extraordinary > >>achievements in > >>>medical history, all but eradicating the threat of dangerous, > sometime > >>>fatal, childhood diseases. > >>> > >>> But some have also noted with alarm that as > >>the > >>>number of vaccines given to our children has increased, so have > serious > >> > >>>chronic behavioral/medical disorders - most notably autism. > >>> > >>> Across the country, thousands of parents, > >>>including many in Tucson, have reported apparently healthy, sociable > >>>children withdrawing into the " mindblindness " of autism shortly after > >>>vaccination. These parents are convinced the vaccine " assault " is the > >>cause > >>>of their children's autism. > >>> > >>> But most doctors and health officials insist > >>there > >>>is absolutely no connection - other than coincidental timing - > between > >>the > >>>onset of autism and vaccination. And they fear that those trying to > >>make > >>>that connection are threatening the health of the nation's children > by > >>>questioning the safety of vaccines. > >>> > >>> * > >>> > >>> Marley Bardach was sick, running a fever, > when > >>her > >>>mother took her to the doctor for her shots when she was almost a > year > >>old. > >>> > >>> Marley was due for a myriad of vaccines, > >>including > >>>those against hepatitis B, polio, chicken pox, and measles, mumps and > >>>rubella. Her mother asked the doctor if she should get so many > vaccines > >> > >>>while she was sick. Maria Bardach asked if perhaps they ought to wait > >>until > >>>Marley was healthy. > >>> > >>> " He said, 'Let's go ahead and she'll be > >>miserable > >>>only once,' " Bardach said. Marley got her shots. > >>> > >>> Hours later, Marley spiked a fever of 107 > >>degrees, > >>>her mother said. Within three weeks, Marley stopped talking. > >>> > >>> " We lost her. She stopped trying to say > words. > >>She > >>>wouldn't play baby games anymore. She didn't want us to hold her. She > >>was > >>>almost catatonic - very floppy, like a rag doll. Her eyes were > >>dilated, " > >>>Bardach said. > >>> > >>> Marley has been diagnosed as autistic - a > >>>little-understoood syndrome of behavioral abnormalities marked by > >>>withdrawal from contact and communication, and developmental > >>regression, > >>>often complicated by severe gastrointestinal problems. > >>> > >>> Now 6 years old, Marley has undergone > >>intensive > >>>one-on-one intervention therapy for years, costing the Bardachs tens > of > >> > >>>thousands of dollars. It is a burden they expect to carry for the > rest > >>of > >>>Marley's now-disabled life. > >>> > >>> " I'm a mother who wholeheartedly believes > the > >>>vaccines are to blame, " Bardach said. " There can be no other > >>explanation > >>>for what happened. > >>> > >>> " We are bombarded with the message that our > >>>children must have these vaccines, and we are not to question that, > or > >>how > >>>or when they're given. The doctors want to eradicate these diseases, > >>and > >>>that's great, and we do have to think of the consequences of not > >>>vaccinating. > >>> > >>> " But what bothers me most is they always > say, > >>>'We're going to lose a few children, but it's for the good of the > >>nation.' > >>> > >>> " But I lost one, and I can't say it's worth > >>it. " > >>> > >>> The president of the Pima County Medical > >>Society > >>>is calling for a national moratorium on all government-mandated > >>childhood > >>>vaccines. > >>> > >>> " Our children face the possibility of death > or > >> > >>>serious long-term adverse effects from mandated vaccines that aren't > >>>necessary or that have very limited benefits, " said Dr. Jane Orient, > a > >>>Tucson internist who is also executive director of the Association of > >>>American Physicians and Surgeons. > >>> > >>> A small group of some 6,000 U.S. doctors, > the > >>AAPS > >>>is dedicated to keeping the government and the insurance industry out > >>of > >>>the practice of medicine. The group voted unanimously last week in > >>favor of > >>>the vaccine moratorium. > >>> > >>> Orient - like the parents she supports - > >>stressed > >>>that she is " not anti-vaccine. " > >>> > >>> But " there are a lot of carefully documented > >>case > >>>reports of parents noting dramatic changes in their children after > >>>vaccination - especially after the MMR (mumps, measles, rubella > >>>combination) shot, " Orient said in a recent interview. > >>> > >>> " It is really a difficult situation because > >>the > >>>vaccine proponents are right in saying there is no scientifically > valid > >> > >>>proof of a connection between autism and vaccines. But it is also > true > >>>there has been no real, prospective study to rule it out. . . . > >>> > >>> " My suspicion is there is probably a genetic > >>>predisposition in some children that makes them vulnerable to vaccine > >>>damage. > >>> > >>> " But we have to find out if there is a > >>problem. . > >>>. . We cannot go on with blanket mandates for vaccines that give no > >>>consideration to the individual medical condition of the child. > >>> > >>> " Any parent would choose a bout with the > >>measles > >>>over autism. It's an absoutely devastating condition. " > >>> > >>> Autism is being diagnosed at exponentially > >>higher > >>>rates than it was 15 or 20 years ago. Some studies are showing a > >>sevenfold > >>>increase in the last decade. It is striking about one of every 500 > >>American > >>>children now - one in 250 in some areas. > >>> > >>> But the vast majority of pediatricians and > >>>infectious disease specialists - in Tucson and nationwide - firmly > >>believe > >>>vaccines save the lives and health of millions of children, and pose > >>little > >>>or no danger to them. > >>> > >>> " This has been explored thoroughly, and all > >>the > >>>studies show there is no correlation whatsoever between immunization > >>and > >>>autism, " said Dr. Mary Cochran, a Tucson pediatrician. > >>> > >>> " There is no medical reason for people to be > >>as > >>>concerned as they are. There is no cause and effect between the two. " > >>> > >>> Some of the studies Cochran refers to > followed > >>a > >>>report in the prestigious British medical journal Lancet on eight > >>children > >>>who developed severe autism, and chronic bowel problems soon after > >>getting > >>>the MMR vaccine. > >>> > >>> The physician studying these children > >>theorized > >>>that their neurologic problems were caused by malabsorption of > >>nutrients by > >>>their inflamed bowels, in turn linked to the viruses in the vaccine. > >>But he > >>>said that had not been proved and required more study. > >>> > >>> That doctor, Andrew Wakefield, pointed to > >>repeated > >>>reports by parents of brain damage their children suffered after > >>receiving > >>>the old pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine years ago. Public health > >>>officials dismissed the reports as too rare to be a concern. > >>> > >>> " Had (doctors) not raised the issue of > adverse > >> > >>>neurological events with pertussis, shamefully there would have been > no > >> > >>>imperative to produce a safer, acellular vaccine " now in use, > Wakefield > >> > >>>said. The new pertussis vaccine is considered far safer than the old > >>one, > >>>everyone now agrees. > >>> > >>> Wakefield's report resulted in a large > >>>epidemiological survey by a special British medical panel that found > no > >> > >>>higher rates of autism among vaccinated than unvaccinated children. > The > >> > >>>study also noted that the rise in autism began around 1979 and did > not > >>>spike after the MMR vaccine was introduced in 1988. > >>> > >>> Similar studies done by the Institute of > >>Medicine > >>>in this country have come to the same conclusion. > >>> > >>> " Autism symptoms come up at a certain age in > >>>childhood that happens to be the age when the vaccines are being > >>given, " > >>>said Dr. Ziad Shehab, University of Arizona pediatric infectious > >>disease > >>>specialist. " That does not mean there is a relationship. > >>> > >>> " The timing of the two is similar. It's a > >>>coincidence, not a cause and effect. " > >>> > >>> But the point physicians stress most > strongly > >>is > >>>that the damage done by these childhood diseases is far greater than > >>any > >>>vaccine side effects. > >>> > >>> A measles outbreak in this country in the > late > >> > >>>1980s killed 120 children and hospitalized 11,000 more, according to > >>the > >>>American Academy of Pediatrics. > >>> > >>> Vaccines are credited with eliminating > >>smallpox, > >>>conquering polio, and bringing measles, mumps, whooping cough, > >>diphtheria, > >>>tetanus and infant meningitis under control. > >>> > >>> " These are really fantastic improvements, " > >>said > >>>Shehab. " We have pediatricians today who never see the diseases we > saw > >>15 > >>>years ago - diseases that killed and disabled children. It is one of > >>the > >>>most extraordinary achievements of science. " > >>> > >>> Even Dr. Andrew Weil, internationally known > >>for > >>>combining alternative and natural remedies with mainstream medicine, > is > >>a > >>>fierce defender of almost all childhood vaccines. > >>> > >>> However, Weil does strongly disagree with > most > >> > >>>doctors on this point: > >>> > >>> " First and foremost, never immunize children > >>when > >>>they're not healthy, " Weil writes in his newsletter. And that > includes > >>such > >>>mild ailments as a colds or earaches, he says. > >>> > >>> This point is crucial to many parents who > >>believe > >>>vaccines damaged their children. None is calling for an end to > >>childhood > >>>immunization. > >>> > >>> Almost all of them believe their children > were > >> > >>>damaged because they were vaccinated when they were sick, or had > >>undetected > >>>immune or auto-immune deficiencies that made them susceptible to > >>>catastrophic reactions. > >>> > >>> " We are not anti-vaccine, " said Jenny Hill > of > >>>Nogales, now a national activist in the autism community. > >>> > >>> " At the heart of the autism community are > >>hundreds > >>>and hundreds of families that are absolutely convinced that any > >>compromise > >>>in a child's immune system - even a simple cold - puts them at risk > >>when > >>>they're vaccinated. But doctors today routinely give these shots - > >>>sometimes nine doses in a single day - to sick kids. It's extremely > >>>dangerous. " > >>> > >>> Hill's son Wally was born after a difficult > >>>pregnancy involving placental problems. He had a bad reaction to his > >>first > >>>round of shots at 4 months and suffered continual sinus infections > >>after > >>>that. > >>> > >>> At 21 months, when Wally was on antibiotics > >>for > >>>yet another sinus infection, he got another round of four vaccines in > >>one > >>>day. > >>> > >>> " Two weeks later, he came down with severe > >>>diarrhea that lasted a year. He lost his speech, he stopped looking > at > >>us, > >>>he stopped reacting to the world around him, " Hill said. " He pushed > me > >>>away. He got night terrors - he would wake up screaming. He lost all > >>the > >>>expression in his face. " > >>> > >>> Hill believes Wally - now diagnosed with > >>>full-blown autism - was a vulnerable child with immune system > >>deficiencies > >>>that developed in utero. > >>> > >>> " I have absolutely no doubt that if he had > not > >> > >>>been given so many vaccines in one day when he was sick, and on > >>>antibiotics, he would not be autistic today. " > >>> > >>> Most Tucson pediatricians admit they > vaccinate > >>if > >>>a child has a " mild " illness - a cold, ear or sinus infections, even > a > >>low > >>>fever. > >>> > >>> " Certainly, if a child's immune system is > >>working > >>>on an infection and you give them a viral antigen in a vaccine, I can > >>see > >>>where some might think it's a danger, " said UA pediatrician Dr. > Burris > >>>Duncan. > >>> > >>> " But if you send them home without the > shots, > >>>you've missed the opportunity to vaccinate. You must immunize them > when > >>you > >>>have them. So many parents will not return later. > >>> > >>> " If we only vaccinated children when they > are > >>>well, we would miss a tremendous number of children, and that would > be > >>very > >>>dangerous. " > >>> > >>> The measles outbreak in the late '80s was > >>blamed > >>>on the old policy of deferring vaccination when kids had colds, said > >>Dr. > >>>Elizabeth MacNeill, Pima County medical director. > >>> > >>> " Truthfully, kids can get vaccines very, > very > >>>safely when they have a mild illness or a low fever, " she said. > >>> > >>> But Utah State University biologist Vijendra > >>>Singh, who has specialized in autism and immune system research for > 15 > >>>years, says his and others' research is showing " a clear conclusion > >>that > >>>there is a relationship between the MMR vaccine and autoimmune > reaction > >>in > >>>autistic children. " > >>> > >>> " Evidence is accumulating to support that > >>>connection. " > >>> > >>> Stressing that he is " a strong advocate " of > >>>vaccination, Singh said, " Vaccines should be continued. But I highly > >>>recommend to parents that before immunization, a child should be > tested > >>for > >>>an appropriately functioning immune system, or any infection or > >>allergy. > >>>It's a simple blood test, and it's not very expensive, maybe $100. " > >>> > >>> He pointed out that the vaccine > manufacturer's > >> > >>>information sheet clearly warns against giving them to > >>immune-compromised > >>>children. > >>> > >>> " Quite frankly, I don't think doctors or > >>nurses > >>>even consider this warning. They just give the shot, no questions > >>asked. " > >>> > >>> The only thing public health officials are > >>>conceding about possible risk in today's vaccines is the mercury > >>>preservative used in several of them. > >>> > >>> Saying the risk is " only theoretical " at > this > >>>point, the U.S. Public Health Service has ordered mercury to be > " phased > >> > >>>out " of childhood vaccines within the next few years. > >>> > >>> But a national safe-vaccine advocacy group > has > >> > >>>filed a federal lawsuit demanding an immediate recall of all > >>>mercury-containing vaccines. > >>> > >>> * Contact Carla McClain at 806-7754 or at > >>>cmcclain. > >>> > >>>Front Page | Tucson | Opinion | Business | Sports | Accent | > >>Entertainment > >>>WEATHER | VOTE 2000 | AZ/WEST | NATIONAL | WASHINGTON | WORLD | E THE > >>>PEOPLE | AP WIRE | NEWSLINKS > >>> > >>>© Arizona Daily Star > >> > >>____________________ > __ > >>_ > >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >>http://www.hotmail.com. > >> > >>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > >>http://profiles.msn.com. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > >> Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > >> Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > >> List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > >> > >>Shortcut URL to this page: > >> /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > > > > > > > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > > > >Shortcut URL to this page: > > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > > > > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2000 Report Share Posted November 14, 2000 The best thing to do is to take your mother to a trained TCM healer who can observe her and question her in person and come up with a treatment tailor-made exactly for her. A trained TCM healer in person can spot things that would not be obvious on a list. And do things like a tongue and pulse diagnosis that have to be done in person. I can't diagnose via a list, but I can approach this from an educational standpoint as long as it's understood this is not a diagnosis but some of the things a TCM healer in person may consider and rule in or out. >I was wondering if you might have any suggestions for a pain that my >mother, >84 yo, has on her left side. She has had this pain for years, previous >ultrasounds, scans have been negative. It comes on quite severely, it >seems, >and then goes away after 30 seconds or so. Pains which come and go or wander frequently are due to Qi Stagnation. Pains which stay put in place often are due to Blood Stasis. Maciocia writes, " Stagnation of Qi causes distention more than pain, or a distending pain, having no fixed location. Stasis of Blood causes a severe, boring pain with a fixed location in a small area. " (Foundations, p. 160) It's also important to note the type of pain. If pressure relieves the pain, it's usually due to Deficiency. If pressure makes it worse, it's usually due to Excess. (Both Qi Stagnation and Blood Stasis are classified as Excess conditions.) Blood Deficiency, Qi Deficiency, and Yin Deficiency can trigger pain. " These conditions cause malnourishment of the channels and hence pain. " (Maciocia, Foundations, p. 160.) Invasion of Exterior Evils can cause pain. So can Interior Cold or Heat. In general, pain from Deficiency tends to be dull, and pain from Excess tends to be sharp. (There are exceptions.) Something else to consider is the role of food allergies/ sensitivities in creating some pains in the abdomen and side. For example, people with food allergies and sensitivities may feel pain on the right side in the area of the liver. Sometimes a person will feel sharp pain in the liver area and later it will be felt in the left side in the spleen area. This often is due to Qi Stagnation problems involving the Liver and then the Spleen. (Liver Invading Spleen) I've recently learned in a course I'm taking that food allergies and sensitivities can trigger Yin Deficiency. In some cases of diabetes the food allergies and sensitivities need to be identified and the offending foods eliminated before giving herbs. (BTW, one of the possible manifestations of Yin Deficiency is that a person's pain threshold is lowered. In severe cases a touch can feel painful.) One of the questions a TCM healer probably will ask is if your mother was ever injured in the area where she feels the pain. Trauma of any kind, including surgery, can trigger Blood Stasis problems that may not go away until Blood Stasis is treated. Blood Stasis also develops when bones are broken. And just because a bruise fades, that does not mean that Blood Stasis problems have been resolved. Something else that a TCM healer will take into account is that the elderly tend to be Qi and Blood Deficient. They also tend toward Kidney Yang and Yin Deficienty. Not all of the elderly are Qi and/or Blood Deficient, but this is two of the things that one automatically considers the possibility of when a client is elderly. A trained TCM healer in person will be able to look at your mother totally and treat Roots instead of merely treating one or two symptoms and in doing so risk aggravating Roots or creating other problems. Also, a competent TCM healer will check her regularly in order to change the formula when it needs changing. Good luck. Victoria She doesn't take anything for >this and is otherwise healthy ex. for short term memory loss, and is on a >heart med Diovan. She has never been to see a TCM and I would seriously >love to take her to mine. She has recently moved in w/me and I am feeling >very helpless to help her. I work in the cancer field at a local >university >cancer center, so have access to good medicine there, but feel it's not >helping much. I am reluctant to put her thru too many more tests. >thanks for your assistance. _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2000 Report Share Posted November 15, 2000 Thanks so much. I did take Mom into see a practitioner yesterday evening. My usual practitioner was in China for the month, but Mom seemed quite happy with the doctor covering. I missed part of his exam, but he did say she had heat in the liver and did place needles in her wrists and feet (between big toe and 2nd toe). He suggested she drink warm water also. She continues to have the pain today, but not as frequently as before. What you mentioned about blood stasis sounds right as well. Thank you very much for sharing your insights. Dianne Judy Fitzgerald <victoria_dragon Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Tuesday, November 14, 2000 10:07 AM Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] TCM and healing of elderly? >The best thing to do is to take your mother to a trained TCM healer who >can >observe her and question her in person and come up with a treatment >tailor-made exactly for her. A trained TCM healer in person can spot >things >that would not be obvious on a list. And do things like a tongue and >pulse >diagnosis that have to be done in person. > >I can't diagnose via a list, but I can approach this from an educational > >standpoint as long as it's understood this is not a diagnosis but some >of >the things a TCM healer in person may consider and rule in or out. > >>I was wondering if you might have any suggestions for a pain that my >>mother, >>84 yo, has on her left side. She has had this pain for years, previous >>ultrasounds, scans have been negative. It comes on quite severely, it >>seems, >>and then goes away after 30 seconds or so. > >Pains which come and go or wander frequently are due to Qi Stagnation. >Pains >which stay put in place often are due to Blood Stasis. Maciocia writes, > > " Stagnation of Qi causes distention more than pain, or a distending >pain, >having no fixed location. Stasis of Blood causes a severe, boring pain >with >a fixed location in a small area. " (Foundations, p. 160) > >It's also important to note the type of pain. If pressure relieves the >pain, it's usually due to Deficiency. If pressure makes it worse, it's >usually due to Excess. (Both Qi Stagnation and Blood Stasis are >classified >as Excess conditions.) > >Blood Deficiency, Qi Deficiency, and Yin Deficiency can trigger pain. > " These >conditions cause malnourishment of the channels and hence pain. " >(Maciocia, >Foundations, p. 160.) > >Invasion of Exterior Evils can cause pain. So can Interior Cold or >Heat. > >In general, pain from Deficiency tends to be dull, and pain from Excess >tends to be sharp. (There are exceptions.) > >Something else to consider is the role of food allergies/ sensitivities >in >creating some pains in the abdomen and side. For example, people with >food >allergies and sensitivities may feel pain on the right side in the area >of >the liver. Sometimes a person will feel sharp pain in the liver area and > >later it will be felt in the left side in the spleen area. This often >is >due to Qi Stagnation problems involving the Liver and then the Spleen. >(Liver Invading Spleen) > >I've recently learned in a course I'm taking that food allergies and >sensitivities can trigger Yin Deficiency. In some cases of diabetes the >food >allergies and sensitivities need to be identified and the offending >foods >eliminated before giving herbs. (BTW, one of the possible manifestations >of >Yin Deficiency is that a person's pain threshold is lowered. In severe >cases a touch can feel painful.) > >One of the questions a TCM healer probably will ask is if your mother >was >ever injured in the area where she feels the pain. Trauma of any kind, >including surgery, can trigger Blood Stasis problems that may not go >away >until Blood Stasis is treated. Blood Stasis also develops when bones >are >broken. And just because a bruise fades, that does not mean that Blood >Stasis problems have been resolved. > >Something else that a TCM healer will take into account is that the >elderly >tend to be Qi and Blood Deficient. They also tend toward Kidney Yang >and >Yin Deficienty. Not all of the elderly are Qi and/or Blood Deficient, >but >this is two of the things that one automatically considers the >possibility >of when a client is elderly. > >A trained TCM healer in person will be able to look at your mother >totally >and treat Roots instead of merely treating one or two symptoms and in >doing >so risk aggravating Roots or creating other problems. > >Also, a competent TCM healer will check her regularly in order to change >the >formula when it needs changing. > >Good luck. > >Victoria > > > > She doesn't take anything for >>this and is otherwise healthy ex. for short term memory loss, and is on >a >>heart med Diovan. She has never been to see a TCM and I would >seriously >>love to take her to mine. She has recently moved in w/me and I am >feeling >>very helpless to help her. I work in the cancer field at a local >>university >>cancer center, so have access to good medicine there, but feel it's not >>helping much. I am reluctant to put her thru too many more tests. >>thanks for your assistance. > >______________________ >_ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > >Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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