Guest guest Posted June 13, 2000 Report Share Posted June 13, 2000 >In looking at the P6 point above the wrist for nausea, I note that the >median nerve is just under the point. There is also a point on the >Bladder meridian behind the knee which lies very near the popliteal >artery. > >Have any of you ever needled a major nerve or an artery, or seen someone >do so? If so ---- what happened? I work with just acupressure so I can't answer this question. But I too am interested in hearing from people who do work with acupuncture. Victoria ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2000 Report Share Posted June 13, 2000 Dear Group, In looking at the P6 point above the wrist for nausea, I note that the median nerve is just under the point. There is also a point on the Bladder meridian behind the knee which lies very near the popliteal artery. Have any of you ever needled a major nerve or an artery, or seen someone do so? If so ---- what happened? Sam ______________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2000 Report Share Posted June 13, 2000 Victoria and Sam Ok here is my two cents. When Sam started talking about JAMA I went to the AMA sight and started to read a bit but did not get as far as I wanted to. The point that he is referring to seems to be UB 40 (great point by the way). I personally am not aware of any damage that can be done by sticking arteries and or nerves (other than discomfort for the patient) and the needle is moved. Chances are you will hit some vessels or nerves and arteries or veins from time to time. After looking at the JAMA Newsletter and some of the articles I can see where Sam would ask such a question. Personal Opinion: The medical community is running scared because there is a new game in town. Most people can be controlled by fear therefore if the medical community (MD's) can keep the population at large scared enough then they still rule. Now I purely base this on my 15 years in healthcare. Look at the turn of the century as it relates to alternative ways and current day medical practices. If it cannot be explained in a lab then it does not exist. I would encourage Sam to speak with his acupuncture contact about the articles in JAMA which I believe are fear based and see what he/she has to say about it. Personally I have never heard of such problems but as the one article points out the acupuncturist is never included on the clean up. I would venture to say that is the other way around more often than not. The MD is not aware of what the person has done alternatively. Even the doctors say that most people do not talk about what they do above and beyond what the doctor prescribes due in part to the shame that is placed on the patient by the doctor. Maybe some of the other acupuncturist could comment. Now please keep in mind I do believe that people can be injured by an acupuncturist (which is why people without formal training should not stick needles) but incident of injury is much less than most western solutions. Actually just to drive this point home, malpractice insurance for acupuncturist is in the process of being cut in half (premiums that is) because of so few claims filed each year. Now can you say that about any other profession? Just my thoughts, I could be wrong (Mr Fire Personality) Shane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2000 Report Share Posted June 14, 2000 Sam Just go to the AMA site and do a search on acupuncture articles. They even have cross sections of actual limbs to enhance their theory. It is the article on persons other than doctors should have a clear understanding of anatomy as not to injure people (like they should talk). Enjoy reading the articles I will be going back myself just to see what other great discoveries they have made. LOL LOL My favorite articles that they publish are always on addiction. Those of us that have been in the field for many years already know what they spend millions of dollars on researching, addicts will go back to using if they return to their old using friends (oh really). They really should use this money in educating our young medical professionals in all forms of healing. We already know the patterns of addicts. Lets do a little education on how not to create addicts with all of our pharmaceuticals. Now that would be money well spent. Start at the root of the problem. Don't conduct research on things which have no merit and only precipitate the illusion that the medical community is once again saving us from ourselves. I stand by the fact that 2000 +++ years of acupuncture has worked very well against our what 200 years of modern medicine. I think we would have been aware of more injuries than what we are if it was that dangerous. Please don't get me wrong I truly believe that East and West can work in conjunction with one another. The west just needs to stop trying to disprove or shame people into believing they have made bad choices about their health. For crying out loud it our bodies and if we chose to have complementary therapies vs traditional medicine give us a break. When my father told his doctor that he was using TCM for his diabetes (which is gone and we can find no trace) he said go ahead but it does not work. His sugars were well over 300, six weeks later and Chinese herbs twice a day they can find no trace of the illness. No western intervention was attempted because he did not want the pills and eventually insulin which is what the family dr told him would happen. Shane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2000 Report Share Posted June 14, 2000 Shane, You wrote: >about the articles in JAMA which I believe are fear based and see what > he/she has to say about it. Ummm...I must have missed those articles. Are they in a recent edition of JAMA? Sam ______________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2000 Report Share Posted June 14, 2000 Sam He was only on the herbs for about 6 weeks and has not taken them in over a year and things are still stable. That is helpful info however. Thanks Shane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2000 Report Share Posted June 14, 2000 Shane, You wrote: > His sugars were well over 300, six weeks > later and Chinese herbs twice a day they can find no trace of the > illness. For what it's worth, I read recently that some Chinese herbs for diabetes have been found to be adulterated with glyburide and other hypoglycemic, Western pharmaceuticals. Hopefully it's not true in your father's case! Sam ______________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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