Ears and hands

[Guest guest]

Dr Sam,

 

My wife who is not in any form of healthcare says that I am being to harsh

with you and I should show more patience (spoken like the true marketing

person that she is).

 

I will say that you have spunk................... You have to remember that I

work with MD's all day who laugh at TCM. The piece they lack is the

connection with the whole. We are not pieces and parts we are whole

organisms. If one part of the organism is out of wack then the whole is

disturbed. Now I have been on my soap box enough so let me answer some of

your questions.

 

>>I found it interesting that some acupuncturists seem to focus almost

exclusively on ear points, or on hand points, to treat disorders.

 

Ear points are what we use to detox addicts at the hospital that I work at.

We use Shenman (which is also on the wrist Heart 7), Sympathetic, Kidney,

Liver, Lung. Very effective. Again it all depends on what you prefer some

TCM people do work with the ears and hands vs body. Actually the ear would

be a safe place for you to start ( no concern with sticking organs or hurting

someone). Mario Wexu wrote an excellent book on aricular acupuncture " The

Ear, Gateway to balancing the body " . I believe there is also a form of

acupuncture called Su Jok (?sp) which is administered via the hands and feet.

I think these methods are also be very theraputic. But I get bored with

ears. LOL LOL

 

>>>> I know that moxa is used on the 5th toe to help turn breech babies, but

I wonder:

 

I would guess that needles are avoided because you eliminate most points in a

pregnant women. I really would like for you to tell the point you are

talking about. I assume that it is UB 67 (indicated for difficult pregnancy)

If so this a Jing Well Point, the well the source of the spring rather

shallow and small beginning. Jing Well are normally used to stimulate

fullness in the region below the heart (which pregnancy would count in this

case). I have no idea how many times a week to use the moxa I would suspect

that it depends on a case by case basis.

 

>>she had a rash from contact with poison ivy: tell her to use " Rhus Tox " ,

in homeopathic formula this will take the poison ivy right away. It is good

for most any rash or skin irritation. All natural, comes in pellets (disolve

under the tongue) , tincture, topical. Oh by the way I switched gears this

is not TCM but homeopathy.

 

Shane

[Guest guest]

> You have to remember that I

> work with MD's all day who laugh at TCM. The piece they lack is

the

> connection with the whole.

 

When I encounter someone like this, I remind myself that if they ever

get sick, really sick with something chronic, they're going to be

relying exclusively on Western establishment medicine because of

their mindset. This considerably lessens their chances of recovery or

even improvement. Then I don't don't feel so angry when I stop to

consider this.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

Dear Shane,

 

You wrote:

> You have to remember that I work with MD's all day who laugh at TCM.

 

I apologize for the arrogance of some of my colleagues. Sadly, MD's are

not generally known for their humility, nor for their patience.

 

>Again it all depends on what you prefer some

> TCM people do work with the ears and hands vs body.

 

Have their been any controlled studies to demonstrate the superiority of

one method over the other? If ear acupuncture works just as effectively

as total body acupuncture...then the ear (or hand) would seem to be the

way to go.

 

>I really would like for you to tell the point you

> are talking about. I assume that it is UB 67

 

I know it by the name Zhiyin BL-67. But I think it's the same point.

There was a whole issue of the Journal of the American Medical

Association (JAMA) about 8 months ago that was devoted to complementary

medicine. If memory serves, it cited a study showing that about 70% of

women with breech babies had their babies turn to the right position

after acupuncture to that spot...as opposed to about 40% of the

non-acupunctured women.

 

Thanks for not staying mad at me! <g>

 

 

Sam

 

______________

YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!

Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!

Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit:

http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

[Guest guest]

Sam,

<< Have their been any controlled studies to demonstrate the superiority of

one method over the other? If ear acupuncture works just as effectively

as total body acupuncture...then the ear (or hand) would seem to be the

way to go. >>

It is personal preference on type of acupuncture. I would not say one is

superior over the other they are just different roads to the same

destiniation. Again controlled studies are western ways of thought. It

depends on what the goal is and how skilled the practitioner. Just my

thoughts.

I personally love scalp acupuncture and threading needles in the scalp.

Shane

[Guest guest]

>True. I guess I'm wondering if the Chinese have done these studies

>(ear/hand vs total body) in the last 30 years or so. I'm also wondering

>why the different schools of thought wouldn't do their own controlled

>studies...just to show that their way is best!

 

This idea of best is holding you back. What is best depends on the

individual at one point in time. There will be cases where Western drugs are

the best for an individual at a certain point in time. In other cases herbs

will be best for the individual, in some cases herbs and acupuncture, in

some cases chiropractic treatments, in some cases homeopathy, in some cases

even surgery, etc. What is best depends on what is best for the individual

at a certain point in time under certain conditions.

 

Ideally the differently schools know what circumstances what they offer is

best for. In reality, this rarely happens, but it is the ideal to strive

towards. Knowing the limitations as well as the pluses.

 

Victoria

 

______________________

Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

[Guest guest]

>Well......ok. But how does one tell whether an individual is best treated

>by scalp/ear/hand needling vs whole body needling?

 

Experience. And, in some cases what works for the individual. If something

doesn't work for a given individual, it is not the best for him or her even

if it works just fine for 99.9 percent of people. When something doesn't

work it's time to reevaluate and come up with something that does.

 

Also, in a lot of cases, there are different ways to do different things.

It's not a matter of one way being better than say 5 other ways, but simply

of choice and of what the healer is most familiar with. I can press on

either K27 or K25 to get quite adequate relief from Kidneys Refusing to

Receive Qi. The main difference in my choice is that K27 is a lot easier to

find than K25 is. K27 is also easy enough for someone else to find on

themselves. So I tend to mention K27 a lot more in treating breathing

problems with a Root of Kidneys Refusing to Receive Qi than K25. HOWEVER,

if a person also is having a lot of anxiety and nervousness because of

Kidney Deficiency, then K25 becomes the better point to use because it also

has the property of calming " anxiety and mental restlessness deriving from

Kidney deficiency. " (Foundations, p. 431).

 

I hope you're familiarizing yourself with the 8 Principal Pattern. Right

now, that is going to give you the most " bang for the bucks " so to speak,

the most potential return for time spent reading. You'd be surprised how

much good can come from just being aware that people may be too Hot or too

Cold and that conditions are Hot or Cold.

 

Victoria

 

______________________

Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

[Guest guest]

Shane wrote:

 

> It is personal preference on type of acupuncture. I would not say

> one is

> superior over the other they are just different roads to the same

> destination.

 

If that's truly the case...it would seem that the ear and hand points

would be simpler to master than all the body points. Though needling the

entire body gives the practitioner more of an aura of mysticism and

secret knowledge <g>...which might assist the patient's confidence in the

healing.

 

>Again controlled studies are western ways of thought.

 

True. I guess I'm wondering if the Chinese have done these studies

(ear/hand vs total body) in the last 30 years or so. I'm also wondering

why the different schools of thought wouldn't do their own controlled

studies...just to show that their way is best!

 

> It depends on what the goal is and how skilled the practitioner.

 

I'm assuming all have the same goals...to treat the patient for whatever

it is that ails him?

 

>I personally love scalp acupuncture and threading needles in the

> scalp.

 

Umm... " threading " ? Is that different than sticking a needle in at a 70

degree or 90 degree angle? The few scalp acupunctures I've seen had

needles sticking out of the heads just like the arm, the hand, the trunk,

etc.

 

 

Sam

______________

YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!

Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!

Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit:

http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

[Guest guest]

Victoria wrote:

 

> This idea of best is holding you back. What is best depends on the

> individual at one point in time.

 

Well......ok. But how does one tell whether an individual is best treated

by scalp/ear/hand needling vs whole body needling?

 

Shane --- I think you said you use acupuncture for detox, and that you

use the ear and the scalp. Do you use the same sites all on the drug

addicts you see? Or do you vary the sites depending on the drug addict's

individualness somehow? Or does cocaine addiction get some points, while

alcohol addiction get others?

 

 

Sam

______________

YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!

Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!

Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit:

http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

[Guest guest]

Sam,

<< Shane --- I think you said you use acupuncture for detox, and that you

use the ear and the scalp. Do you use the same sites all on the drug

addicts you see? Or do you vary the sites depending on the drug addict's

individualness somehow? Or does cocaine addiction get some points, while

alcohol addiction get others?

 

Unfortunately they all the get the same points but this protocol was

developed by an M.D. in New York. So that stands to reason. But the overall

goal is to detox those organs most associated and harmed by the use of

chemicals or alcohol and to relax the patient so they can open up. We only

use ear points I said that I personally liked scalp acupuncture.

 

It works for any substance.

Shane

[Guest guest]

>I think there is an article on alcoholism on Colleen DeLaney's site at

>http://www.nvo.com/herbdocs and that's where I read about kudzu.

 

Thanks for posting this. It's an excellent article on kudzu and alcoholism.

 

BTW, I believe kudzu was brought to this country to provide feed for cattle.

The cattle didn't care for it, and it has taken over vacant lots

throughout the South. I would be careful about harvesting it in the South

because sometimes it's sprayed.

 

Victoria

 

______________________

Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

[Guest guest]

Lynn,

<< including the use of Kudzu.

Do you have any information about this? >>

 

One of the five points is the Shenman point (in the ear) not H7 but both are

one of my favorite points. Use of a pellet on that point has shown to aid in

managing ADHD and ADD in children, very powerful point.

 

Lynn, I do not know what Kudzu is? Can you give me more info

 

Shane

[Guest guest]

Shane,

 

Do you also treat the Heart/Shen of the person? I did some reading about

alcoholism for instance and the TCM approach, including the use of Kudzu.

Do you have any information about this?

 

Lynn

 

 

>Sam,

><< Shane --- I think you said you use acupuncture for detox, and that you

> use the ear and the scalp. Do you use the same sites all on the drug

> addicts you see? Or do you vary the sites depending on the drug addict's

> individualness somehow? Or does cocaine addiction get some points, while

> alcohol addiction get others?

>

>

[Guest guest]

It is a noxious weed in the South--it grows over everything as a vine. On

vacation last fall in North Carolina, there was a place where the town had

dumped junked cars. They planted kudzu with the intention of it growing

over all of the cars and hiding them from view. My limited knowledge of

kudzu is that it takes away the craving for alcohol. It is also a

thickening agent and is used in a macrobiotic diet to thicken puddings and

sauces. It is very expensive in when you buy it at the health food store.

In the macrobiotic diet it is considered strengthening for the stomach as

well as a thickener like cornstarch. I believe that it is used in a

tincture when taken to combat alcoholism.

 

I think there is an article on alcoholism on Colleen DeLaney's site at

http://www.nvo.com/herbdocs and that's where I read about kudzu.

 

Lynn

[Guest guest]

Lynn,

I am not familiar with kudza but maybe I should get that way thanks for the

info.

 

Shane