Guest guest Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 I would regard the study as totally bogus and a typical mainstream study designed to disprove other study results showing natural alternatives to be beneficial. The keys to examine any such study are usually: 1. Who funded the study 2. How were the study participants screened 3. What forms of supplements were used (normally the least effective and synthetic forms are used in such studies) and 4. What were the dosage amounts (normally much less than a therapeutic dose is administered) The study was initially undertaken because two previous even larger studies showed than taking vitamin e resulted in a 32% lower rate of prostate cancer and taking selenium resulted in a 60% lower incidence of prostate cancer. How is it then possible that a new study would find no reductions, and even slight increases in prostate cancer from taking a common vitamin and mineral? The answer is that it is not possible unless the study was designed to fail - which has been known to happen over and over when it comes to natural competition to patented drugs and treatments. Absolutely ridiculous to even think that natural vitamins and minerals found in a healthy diet would not be beneficial, much less be detrimental! The key paragraphs in the story, outside those reporting the results of the previous studies, appear to be these: " The SELECT findings dash hopes raised by these earlier studies, says Edward M. Messing, MD, professor and chairman of urology and deputy director of the Cancer Center at the University of Rochester, N.Y. Messing serves as a SELECT study investigator. " I am afraid it will be the end of the story for large trials of vitamin E and selenium to prevent prostate cancer, " Messing tells WebMD. " For vitamin E, that is unfortunate. Probably if given in a more effective form, it would be a protective or even therapeutic agent. " Those revealing paragraphs indicate that first of all, the end of the study will be the end of large trials for vitamin E and selenium - which was very likely a desired result, and, more importantly, gives us the admission that a different form of vitamin E would have probably been protective or even therapeutic. " When one examines the study itself, it becomes apparent what Dr. Messing was referring to - and how easy it is to manipulate studies: Instead of using the natural form of vitiman E considered most beneficial for health, d-alpha-tocopherol acetate, they used dl-alpha-tocopherol acetate. The " d " designation in front of the " alpha " indicates that the products are derived from natural sources such as vegetable oils or wheat germ. A prefix of " dl " , such as in dl-alpha- tocopherol, shows that the vitamin has been synthesized from a petroleum base. Research has shown that the synthetic form of alpha-tocopherol acetate is considerably less effective than its natural equivalent in raising the blood plasma level of vitamin E and in preventing peroxide hemolysis even when ingested at equivalent IU levels. Vitamin E, in the natural form of alpha-tocopherol, is most valued for it's anti-oxidant properties. Several other functions of alpha-tocopherol have been identified that are not likely related to its antioxidant capacity. For instance, alpha-tocopherol is known to inhibit the activity of protein kinase C, an important cell-signaling molecule. Alpha-tocopherol appears to also affect the expression and activities of molecules and enzymes in immune and inflammatory cells. Additionally, alpha-tocopherol has been shown to inhibit platelet aggregation and to enhance vasodilation. Likewise, the form of selenium used for the test, selenomethionine, though the most popular form of selenium found in supplements, is most commonly produced from selenide in sulfide ores such as those of copper, silver, or lead. It is obtained as a byproduct of the processing of these ores, from the anode mud of copper refineries and the mud from the lead chambers of sulfuric acid plants. These muds can be processed by a number of means to obtain free selenium. The best form of selenium is the organic form found in the diet. Brazil nuts contain the highest amounts of selenium than any other known food type. It is also possible to obtain selenium through other nuts, grains and seafood. Livestock who are allowed to graze on grains grown in soil containing selenium, will typically contain selenium within their meat. The many benefits of selenium include its ability to boost the body's immune system and protect it against disease such as heart disease. Additionally, selenium assists the body with maintaining proper control of the thyroid gland. Individuals who have a deficiency in selenium are often reported as becoming much more susceptible to infections, bacteria and other illnesses. It is not surprising to see that the article about the end of the trial appeared in WebMD, a mainstream tool that merely gives lip service to nature and alternative healing while featuring mainstream articles and advertisements. Mainstream information sources seldom bite the hands that feed them. In the case of WebMD, not only do they not bite that hand, they have been known to have their own hands out as well (a few years ago there was quite the Payola scandal at WebMD when it was found that they were taking money under the table from pharmaceutical companies to publish favorable information about their products). Although I would not recommend either Vitamin E or selenium in mega therapeutic doses, both are essential to maintaining good health in modest amounts and I consider them helpful in fighting cancer, and I do recommend selenium as a particularly helpful item for maintaining good liver health when fighting cancer. Sources: Linus Pauling Institute (Vitamin E) International Health News ( " Alpha-tocopherol: The Great Protector " ) Wikipedia (For the forms of selenium) www.nutritional-supplement-guides.com (For natural sources of selenium) oleander soup , " Mike V " <mds9513 wrote: > > http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/news/20081028/prostate-cancer-prevention-st\ udy-halted > > I wonder if this is valid and if it is, does it mean it doesn't help > other cancers either. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Tony, The Jarrow brand SELENEXT contains 200mcg of methylselenocysteine. It says on the label that it is an activated selenium and most effective form of selenium. Is this correct? Thanks. Melly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 That appears to be the best form for fighting cancer. Different Forms of Selenium Inorganic forms of selenium such as sodium selenite have proven more effective at fighting cancer than the commonly used organic form, selenomethionine, yet selenomethionine was more effective at increasing selenium tissue levels and glutathione peroxidase activity. Because cells cannot distinguish selenomethionine from the essential amino acid methionine, some selenomethionine becomes incorporated into general body proteins, increasing tissue selenium levels. Selenomethionine general proteins have no anticancer activity while sodium selenite is more frequently metabolized to the toxic metabolite hydrogen selenide (H2Se). Hydrogen selenide does have anticancer effects but it is more toxic than selenomethionine. Its primary mode of killing cancer cells (and at high levels, normal cells) is through the process of cell necrosis. Cell necrosis provokes inflammation and may kill healthy cells along with cancer cells. More recent anticancer research has focused on the compound Methyselenocysteine. Methyselenocysteine is found naturally in some vegetables including garlic, brassicas, leeks, and onions, especially when these are grown in high selenium soil. Methylselenocysteine is easily converted to methylselenol which has been demonstrated to be an effective anticancer form of selenium. Rather than killing cancer cells by necrosis, methylselenol kills cancer cells through apoptosis. Apoptosis is a orderly process of cellular self-destruction that does not provoke inflammatory responses. Methylselenol is also known to inhibit angiogenesis in beginning cancer tumors. Angiogenesis, the creation of new blood vessels, is necessary for cancer cells to grow into a tumor. Methylselenocysteine does not accumulate in the body and is considered to be non-toxic. http://www.advance-health.com/selenium.html oleander soup , melly banagale <tita_mel wrote: > > Tony, > > The Jarrow brand SELENEXT contains 200mcg of methylselenocysteine. It says on the label that it is an activated selenium and most effective form of selenium. > Is this correct? > > Thanks. > Melly > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Tony, Thanks for that great detailed explanation. Melly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 hello Tony, I was interested in this post as I had just recently got my husband on the TRC selenium that Utopia sell on their website. I ordered them with my cs order but was disappointed when I got them because they looked so synthetic to me like a standard med (small round white pills similar to aspirin) unlike the natural vitamins I get from my UK supplier which look more "wholesome"being brown, orange and with a sort of gritty look/texture. The label says L-selenomethonine. There is no D there so does that mean they are sythetic. I have also been looking for Brasil nuts but they are hard to find where I live - I am hoping to find some soon as the Xmas season starts but in the meantime wanted to get my husband on a daily selenium supplement considering his Liver and immune conditions. Thanks for any comments. Nelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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