What about Mesosilver?

October 23, 2008

Hi Tony!

You have developed a very strong preference for Utopia Silver brand.

From what I have observed on this forum, your opinions are usually very-

well informed ones.

What made you choose Utopia Silver over Mesosilver?

Here is a URL to their own site with lots of info on many brands and on

colloidal silver in general and comparisons based on lab analysis.

http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html

Can you please peruse this info and if needed, poke any holes that need

to be poked?

Thank you very much in advance!

~Jill~

October 23, 2008

I hope Tony doesn't mind me butting in here. I asked a similar question on a colloidal silver list regarding the poor showing of homemade colloidal silver on that effectivness list. I am going to provide the detailed reply I received:

Dear Steve N.

Here is some quick and dirty cut and paste to answer your question.

I think the information you are looking for is at http://www.hydrosolinfo.com/articles/silver-2005-01-07.php

John W. Roberts, Ph.D. of Natural-Immunogenics Corp (a competitor of MesoSilver) performed an experiment comparing MesoSilver and Natural-Immunogenics Corp product (Colloidal Silver predominately Silver Ions). The end result was Ionic Silver became more effective in the presence of HCl acid and Silver Particles did not.

As the test seems to have been performed "in house" and not by an independent laboratory, there is the usual criticism on my part.

Before any starts to point any fingers at John Roberts, Ph.D., Mr Roberts was refuting the information on http://www.silver-colloids.com written by Frank Keys and performed by CSL in house (owned by Frank Keys).

Frank Keys responded with a test performed by EMSL labs, the response is at the bottom of the of http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/bogus-bio-study.html

(EMSL Analytical, Inc. is an

environmental testing firm, the EMSL Analytical, Inc. network of laboratories offer a wide array of services supporting investigations in asbestos, microbiology, lead, chemistry, indoor air quality and industrial hygiene applications.)

"View the study results here. (click link at site for PDF)

The study clearly shows that the effectiveness of the ionic silver product was substantially reduced as a result of being exposed to stomach acid while the colloidal silver product remained effective against the bacteria."

http://www.hydrosolinfo.com/articles/silver-2005-05-21.php"

I will assume a response by Natural-Immunogenics was a test performed by STS Duotek, an independent, FDA licensed, 3rd party laboratory:

http://www.hydrosolinfo.com/articles/silver-2005-05-21.php

(STS Duotek tests are conducted in accordance with applicable Quality System Regulation (QSR)/Good Manufacturing Practice (GMP) requirements and, when requested, in accordance as well with Good Laboratory Practice (GLP) regulations. Routine internal auditing, trending, and management review of progress ensures continual improvement of the quality system, as well as accuracy and strict adherence to both the FDA and ISO requirements. Somewhat better pedigree than EMSL.)

Sovereign Silver demonstrated superior broad spectrum antimicrobic activity against all three of the U.S.P. <51> bacteria, compared to the 6 competitive product performances, as tested, some of which were effective against only one or two of the challenge microorganisms.

Sovereign Silver killed a minimum of 13 times as many Staph. aureus as did the next most effective competitor…. and in most cases, Sovereign Silver was almost 1,600 X more potent than other competitors.

Sovereign Silver killed over 4 times more E. coli than Mesosilver, 13 times more than Silver Biotics, and in most cases, thousands of times more E. coli than any other competitor.

Sovereign Silver was about 40 X more potent than Mesosilver and 50 X more potent than Silver Biotics vs. P. aerugenosa, and at least 5,000 X more potent than other competitive products vs. P. aerugenosa.

The website www.hydrosolinfo.com by coincidence is hosted by the same webhost as natural-immunogenics.com with a hydrosolinfo.com as the Organization and no address other than the webhost. (Draw you own conclusions).

Is this science or a contest between to business competitors?

Best Regards,

I think the answer is that all the big suppliers have studies showing that their brand beats all the rest. I think that Utopia is as good as any and Tony will get you a price break. Good luck on your decision.

- Steve

oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of lillisillyThursday, October 23, 2008 4:56 AMoleander soup Subject: What about Mesosilver?

Hi Tony! You have developed a very strong preference for Utopia Silver brand. From what I have observed on this forum, your opinions are usually very-well informed ones. What made you choose Utopia Silver over Mesosilver?Here is a URL to their own site with lots of info on many brands and on colloidal silver in general and comparisons based on lab analysis. http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.htmlCan you please peruse this info and if needed, poke any holes that need to be poked?Thank you very much in advance!~Jill~

October 24, 2008

Both sites are self serving. Other than having a churlish bias against

Utopia Silver, Mesosilver's information is the most accurate I have

seen and I trust them far more than Sovereign Silver's in-house test

and in-house expert.

I have seen far too many tests and " scientific " reasons for all kinds

of silver products being the best. It is mostly smoke and mirrors and

rubbish.

Not surprisingly, much of the greatest hype is associated with the

poorest quality products.

Utopia Silver is notable for its lack of claims and proven

performance. I know how it is made and have seen the operation in

action. It is like no other process except that used by Mesosilver,

whom the owner of Utopia Silver told what to do in order to have a

superior colloidal silver product.

oleander soup , " Norton, Steve "

<stephen.norton wrote:

>

> I hope Tony doesn't mind me butting in here. I asked a similar question

> on a colloidal silver list regarding the poor showing of homemade

> colloidal silver on that effectivness list. I am going to provide the

> detailed reply I received:

>

> Dear Steve N.

>

> Here is some quick and dirty cut and paste to answer your question.

>

> I think the information you are looking for is at

> http://www.hydrosolinfo.com/articles/silver-2005-01-07.php

> <http://www.hydrosolinfo.com/articles/silver-2005-01-07.php>

>

> John W. Roberts, Ph.D. of Natural-Immunogenics Corp (a competitor of

> MesoSilver) performed an experiment comparing MesoSilver and

> Natural-Immunogenics Corp product (Colloidal Silver predominately Silver

> Ions). The end result was Ionic Silver became more effective in the

> presence of HCl acid and Silver Particles did not.

>

> As the test seems to have been performed " in house " and not by an

> independent laboratory, there is the usual criticism on my part.

>

> Before any starts to point any fingers at John Roberts, Ph.D., Mr

> Roberts was refuting the information on http://www.silver-colloids.com

> <http://www.silver-colloids.com/> written by Frank Keys and performed

> by CSL in house (owned by Frank Keys).

>

> Frank Keys responded with a test performed by EMSL labs, the response is

> at the bottom of the of

> http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/bogus-bio-study.html

> <http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/bogus-bio-study.html>

>

> (EMSL Analytical, Inc. is an

>

> environmental testing firm, the EMSL Analytical, Inc. network of

> laboratories offer a wide array of services supporting investigations in

> asbestos, microbiology, lead, chemistry, indoor air quality and

> industrial hygiene applications.)

>

> " View the study results here. (click link at site for PDF)

>

> The study clearly shows that the effectiveness of the ionic silver

> product was substantially reduced as a result of being exposed to

> stomach acid while the colloidal silver product remained effective

> against the bacteria. "

>

> http://www.hydrosolinfo.com/articles/silver-2005-05-21.php

> <http://www.hydrosolinfo.com/articles/silver-2005-05-21.php> "

>

> I will assume a response by Natural-Immunogenics was a test performed by

> STS Duotek, an independent, FDA licensed, 3rd party laboratory:

>

> http://www.hydrosolinfo.com/articles/silver-2005-05-21.php

> <http://www.hydrosolinfo.com/articles/silver-2005-05-21.php>

>

> (STS Duotek tests are conducted in accordance with applicable Quality

> System Regulation (QSR)/Good Manufacturing Practice (GMP) requirements

> and, when requested, in accordance as well with Good Laboratory Practice

> (GLP) regulations. Routine internal auditing, trending, and management

> review of progress ensures continual improvement of the quality system,

> as well as accuracy and strict adherence to both the FDA and ISO

> requirements. Somewhat better pedigree than EMSL.)

>

> Sovereign Silver demonstrated superior broad spectrum antimicrobic

> activity against all three of the U.S.P. <51> bacteria, compared to the

> 6 competitive product performances, as tested, some of which were

> effective against only one or two of the challenge microorganisms.

>

> Sovereign Silver killed a minimum of 13 times as many Staph. aureus as

> did the next most effective competitor.... and in most cases, Sovereign

> Silver was almost 1,600 X more potent than other competitors.

>

> Sovereign Silver killed over 4 times more E. coli than Mesosilver, 13

> times more than Silver Biotics, and in most cases, thousands of times

> more E. coli than any other competitor.

>

> Sovereign Silver was about 40 X more potent than Mesosilver and 50 X

> more potent than Silver Biotics vs. P. aerugenosa, and at least 5,000 X

> more potent than other competitive products vs. P. aerugenosa.

>

> The website www.hydrosolinfo.com <outbind://60/www.hydrosolinfo.com> by

> coincidence is hosted by the same webhost as natural-immunogenics.com

> with a hydrosolinfo.com as the Organization and no address other than

> the webhost. (Draw you own conclusions).

>

> Is this science or a contest between to business competitors?

>

> Best Regards,

>

> I think the answer is that all the big suppliers have studies showing

> that their brand beats all the rest. I think that Utopia is as good as

> any and Tony will get you a price break. Good luck on your decision.

>

> - Steve

>

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