Guest guest Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Yes Tony you are right, Oleander does seem to be lost in the midst of it all. I found out about Oleander and Sutherlandia before I joined this group. From all the cancer research that I have done I think Oleander is the best core component of any cancer protocol. So many things are being talk about in this group that there may be a danger that some people are becoming a little overwhelmed with it all. Yes we need to stayed focused on Oleander because it is not only one of the most powerful immune stimulator's known and available to mankind, but it is so incredibly cheap !!!!!!!!, it cost virtually nothing to make !!!!!!!. Tony I myself do not have the money for any supplements, I have always tried to look for cheap effective supplements for the cancer problem. I could not afford colloidal silver for example so I made collodial copper and it did not cost even a penny.My suggestion to you Tony is have two Oleander groups,This way one group can be used for the topic of Oleander and Oleander/Cancer protocol'sThe other group could be used to talk about other supplements and protocols.This way the Oleander Topic can be preserved in it's own group and if anyone does post a non Oleander topic in the group for Oleander topics only, they can be asked kindly to write to the other group, so that this will ensure the preservation of the Oleander Topics.Also as head of these groups Tony you could broadcast a weekly or monthly notice to keep people informed that any non Oleander Topic querys will be answered in the non Oleander topic Group.I hope this has helped.Love in JesusIan--- On Thu, 16/10/08, Tony wrote:Tony limitationsoleander soup Date: Thursday, 16 October, 2008, 12:57 AM Actually, 's setup for groups is a pain in the rear in many ways. First of all, no one, including myself and the other moderators, can edit a message once it has been posted - not even our own. Secondly, it does not allow for graphics such as photos to be displayed (and how long has the "full-featured" post option been labeled as "beta" anyway?). And finally, it has no real system to be able to have separate pages for different topics so that on any given day the main topic of oleander is lost amidst a stream of posts about MMS, gerd, vegetarian bumper stickers (gotcha Tammatha & Bonnie - lol), Ormus powder, you name it! I don't mind the other posts (within reason) and even encourage a variety of information about natural health - but it would be so much better if we were able to separate out different topics. Someday I suppose I may have to move the group to a better venue or else create my own forum website. oleander soup, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ ...> wrote: > > There is a common misconception that graviola works through a single mechanism. Graviola does inhibit ATP production, but works in at least two other ways to inhibit cancer cells. This means that CoQ10 does not completely block its action. There probably is synergism between graviola and oleander. Oleander causes some mitochondrial disruption resulting in leakage of cytochrome c. The double hit to electron transport may be desireable if either of the two substances are not producing a therapeutic effect taken alone. The new formula that contains both allows smaller doses of each to be used. The advantage is that each of these substances has proven problematic in terms of tolerance in a subset of users. It could be that both taken together are producing a synergistic effect and, at the same time, limiting side effects. > > I tried to edit the previous posts to no avail. This is one annoying aspect of using the web mail version of the list. Sorry. > > Mike > > > > > Marc Swanepoel - PhD <marcswan@.. .> > oleander soup > Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:19:46 AM > Re: Six bottles of pills --- No results yet? > > > Hi Janet, > I was really sorry to hear about your non-progress. You are right about the initial 2 bottles. As far as Graviola is concerned, it is an ATP-inhibitor. That means it interferes with cellular energy metabolism. Therefore one cannot use it together with CoQ10 or supplements that increase cellular ATP or as the case may be with oleander, substances that also reduce ATP slightly. The poisonous activity of raw oleander is due to the inhibition of the Na-K ATP pump by the cardiac glycosides in the plant. The oleander extract (both S/OPC and the oleander soup) still contains trace amounts of the cardiac glycosides and may thus aggravate the ATP-inhibiting effects of Graviola and there may even be a synergistic action in this effect when the two are combined. I would thus suggest that one stops the Graviola while taking the S/OPC. > Another common problem could be unresolved conflicts. Caroline Myss has a CD - "Why people don't heal" - where she discusses this problem in detail. Although I don't agree with her more mystical theories, what she says about inner conflicts and how to resolve them, makes a lot of sense. I have first hand experience of someone who was completely healed from advanced cancer whose cancer came back in a different form after 2 years due to emotional problems between her and her mother which were further aggravated by extreme stress at work. > You should also check your diet. I have sent you some suggestions. > Marc Swanepoel > > - > Janet > oleander soup > Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:52 PM > Re: Six bottles of pills --- No results yet? > > Dear Marc, check again my orders. 2 liquid > bottles($120. 00) of Oleander OPC on 6/19 , but didn't get the order until July something. Remember, I email looking for it? > Next order was 5 bottles of liquid Oleander with 1 free bottle of capsules. Total 6 bottles ($300.00) ordered on 7/23. I have 1 bottle left. > I started out with breast cancer and since May it has spred to my lungs and lymps. I refused the chemo and radiation. And yes I do take lots of supplements. Do you think Graviola could be canceling out the oleander? Janet Duesler > > - > Marc Swanepoel - PhD > oleander soup > Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:15 PM > Re: Six bottles of pills --- No results yet? > > The person Duke is referring to ordered one bottle of liquid from me which arrived at her address on July 5. She ordered another 5 bottles from me towards the end of July which probably arrived at her address by August 5. This means she used 1 bottle during July and, if she has used up the other 5 bottles sent to her, then she has been using roughly 30ml per day for the remainder of the period of slightly more than 2 months. If, as Duke reports, she has been very ill for a long time, and if her cancer was very advanced to begin with, then 2 - 3 months will not produce miracles. At best it will initially slow down the progression of the tumors and then, provided she does a few other important things like proper diet, etc, it should gradually get the cancer under control. One should always remember that cancer is a SYMPTOM of an underlying condition in the body, mostly caused by lifestyle situations like diet an stress. There are no miracle cures that > will work unless one addresses the underlying problem that caused the cancer symptom in the first place. Some patients with relatively advanced cancers have gone into complete remission with NO sign of cancer after using the S/OPC for a number of months ONLY to have it return after 2 or more years (after stopping to take the S/OPC) because they did not address the underlying cause. > > The moral of this is that one has to treat the cancer holistically by looking at all the circumstances that could have led to it in the first place and which may STILL be preventing any progress towards health.. One' s mental attitude in all this is extremely important. > > It will also be instructive to know if the tumors have grown in size or number, were they there before, have the growth slowed down, did she have any chemo treatment before using other modalities. And, most importantly, is she not overloading her system wit too many different supplements that may eventually cancel each other's effectiveness. > > Marc Swanepoel > > - > Duke Stone > oleander group ; Duke Stone > Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:04 PM > Six bottles of pills --- No results yet? > > This is a email to my personal address from a person that I had put in contact with Marc. She does not have the abblilithy to interact with the grouup. > > She is very ill and has been for along time. We had met last yesr at a clinic in Acuna Maexio opperated by Dr. Charles Rogers . Of the group of thirty of so there are only 4 of us let We are all in a state of decline. > > See her message here. > Duke, > I finally went to the doctor's and had a chest x-ray, it showed tumors in both lungs. I can hardly believe it because I have gone thru 6 bottles of oleander since July. But, this is what is going on. The x-ray's show pneumonia and I have been taking CS, I have a fever, can't breathe well and have pain from tumors and I am wheezing. I also have been using MMS 3x's/day 7drops internally and I did the OCC. Oh, I have sent for that herb Jim Humble mentions from the lady in Texas. Got any other suggestions? Thanks for all your input, Janet > > Duke Stone ----- Dallas, Texas > info (AT) DukeStone (DOT) Biz > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Hi Ian, I understand your suggestion, to have two groups, one for Oleander, the other for natural remedies etc. I have surmised that the key to the Oleander success is the adjunct protocol of a raw diet and colloidal silver, etc. It would be crucial to keep those subjects together, lest Tony get bogged down in cross-posts. To address your idea I believe the forum Tony hasn't got time for is the best track, then it would be understood that Oleander in conjunction with a healthy lifestyle (among other things) is what he recommends. Having said that, there certainly are other posts on here that make me scratch my head. On the other hand, have you ever been on a moderator-dominated board? Sheesh! One was so bad she kicked all the health professionals off for disagreeing with her. Kind regards, Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 I believe much that is spoken here is very educational and at times includes other things not just Oleander. I have come away with so much knowledge, thanks to everybody. When speaking of health, topics go many directions and that is a good thing. Tammatha - lostrin oleander soup Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:05 PM Re: For Tony: limitations Hi Ian, I understand your suggestion, to have two groups, one for Oleander, the other for natural remedies etc. I have surmised that the key to the Oleander success is the adjunct protocol of a raw diet and colloidal silver, etc. It would be crucial to keep those subjects together, lest Tony get bogged down in cross-posts. To address your idea I believe the forum Tony hasn't got time for is the best track, then it would be understood that Oleander in conjunction with a healthy lifestyle (among other things) is what he recommends. Having said that, there certainly are other posts on here that make me scratch my head. On the other hand, have you ever been on a moderator-dominated board? Sheesh! One was so bad she kicked all the health professionals off for disagreeing with her. Kind regards, Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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