Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 What I do know about Utopia Silver is my doggie Weaver licks it right up straight, he really likes it. I unfortunately had to get other brands at Whole Foods, while waiting for the Utopia in the mail a few times so Weaver wouldn't be without. It is difficult for him to walk with out CS. (arthritis). He wasn't too keen on them and would only take a tiny bit. Dogs seems to know instinctly what is good and what is not I believe. Tammatha - Katy oleander soup Tuesday, October 07, 2008 12:48 PM Re: oleander and candida I've actually experimented with different types of silver. BesidesColloidal Silver I tried Angstrom silver:http://www.meminerals.com/catalog/ProductDetails.asp?ProductID=MINE4S00XEIAg8 & DealerID=retail & Express=1I believe the silver particles are smaller than in Colloidal Silver.Then I tried Molecular silver, which is supposed to have even smallerparticles and be more effective, here is some info on it:http://mmsdr.com/index.php?page=moleculasilverIt tastes different and it's not sensitive to light like ColloidalSilver is.More recently I got a gallon of nano particle silver. Supposedly thesmallest particle you can possibly get:http://www.shopthewolfeclinic.com/store/product_info.php/products_id/355I've been taking between 2 to 8 oz per day for the past few days withthe Bob Beck protocol. I guess I'll see how I'm feeling by the end ofthat gallon.Would you guys have any opinion on these other types of silver andtheir effectiveness?oleander soup , "Tony" wrote:>> If you aren't taking Utopia Silver colloidal silver, it may take a> lot, especially if you are taking home-made mostly ionic silver. > Probably 8 ounces a day would be my guess. With Utopia Silver, two to> four ounces a day will usually knock out candida in a matter of days.> > Incorporate plenty of coconut oil in your diet. That helps a lot with> candida and is healthy in many, many ways.> > Tony> > oleander soup , "Katy" <katypomelov@> wrote:> >> > Hi,> > > > I was wondering if anyone has had success with taking Oleander for> > candida?> > I've had candida for over 10 years since taking antibiotics as a> > teenager. I've spent thousands and thousands of dollars over the> > years on every imaginable herb, supplement, practitioner, probiotic...> > you name it, but most things have no or very little effect on it.> > I've been a vegan raw foodist for almost 8 years. Have done a good> > amount of intestinal cleansing. I understand the acid/alkaline> > balance in the body and have been mostly eating alkaline foods. I> > have been on a strict candida diet for years just because I react to> > any carbohydrate food immediately, which means I can't eat any sweet> > fruit, starchy vegetables or grains. My diet consists of mostly green> > leafy vegetables, cold pressed oils, some nuts and seeds, non-sweet> > fruit and seaweed. I eat mostly salads and have been drinking green> > vegetables smoothies with green superfoods. I'm generally pretty> > healthy, but this candida thing is just so stubborn. I would imagine> > by now after all these years with all the things I'm doing I'd be able> > to get rid of it.> > I've also used MMS but kind of on and off because the taste and smell> > makes it kind of hard to stick with. I recently tried it> > transdermally with DMSO, but it's also kind of a messy ordeal even> > though I can feel that MMS is really powerful stuff, just requires> > discipline.> > I have a rife machine that I use on and off as well… with no results.> > I'm going to try the Bob Beck Protocol for about 45 days. I just got> > the equipment. I was going to try taking Oleander after the Bob Beck> > Protocol to help strengthen my immune system even more after some of> > the pathogens are killed off. > > Has anyone had any experience with oleander and candida? > > I've taken colloidal silver before without any results. Maybe not> > enough. More recently I've been taking Molecular Silver and Nano> > Silver, which I guess are supposed to be more effective. Since the> > Bob Beck Protocol includes making colloidal silver, I can make as much> > as I want now that I have the equipment, and experiment with dosage to> > see if it makes any difference.> > Any help would be appreciated.> > > > Thanks,> > Katy> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 I think you are right (though even if something is good and tastes really bad they are likely to pass). You can take a good colloidal silver, like Utopia Silver, and put it in a bowl of water and place that water next to plain water and the dogs will go for the silver water first just about every time. DQ oleander soup , " Tammatha " <tammatha wrote: > > What I do know about Utopia Silver is my doggie Weaver licks it right up straight, he really likes it. I unfortunately had to get other brands at Whole Foods, while waiting for the Utopia in the mail a few times so Weaver wouldn't be without. It is difficult for him to walk with out CS. (arthritis). He wasn't too keen on them and would only take a tiny bit. Dogs seems to know instinctly what is good and what is not I believe. > > Tammatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Tammatha Is this a procedure that you do at home or are you using a professional. Duke Stone ----- Dallas, Texas info --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Tammatha <tammatha wrote: Tammatha <tammathaRe: oleander and candidaoleander soup Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 11:01 PM Hi Katy, I too had candida for many years due to excessive antibiotics given to me in my twenties & thirties for chronic sinus infections. Didn't realize I had it really until I was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2006. I just thought it was allergies. I'm now a vegan raw fooder for about 2 years, almost no grain, I do quinoa which many see it as a seed not a grain. I live on green smoothies. I have pretty much whipped the awful yeast with parasite cleansing, many herbs, supplements including the C Silver & S/OPC (oleander). But mainly what truly helped and I would highly recommend is Colon Hydrotherapy in conjunction with everything else. It definately purges all the crud out bacteria, yeast, parasites etc. and works in harmony with everything you are doing. Try it with wheatgrass implants which is extremely cleansing at all levels. You will feel like a million bucks. Of course it takes time, just as it took time to develop the yeast. Tammatha - Katy oleander soup Monday, October 06, 2008 6:08 PM oleander and candida Hi,I was wondering if anyone has had success with taking Oleander forcandida?I've had candida for over 10 years since taking antibiotics as ateenager. I've spent thousands and thousands of dollars over theyears on every imaginable herb, supplement, practitioner, probiotic...you name it, but most things have no or very little effect on it.I've been a vegan raw foodist for almost 8 years. Have done a goodamount of intestinal cleansing. I understand the acid/alkalinebalance in the body and have been mostly eating alkaline foods. Ihave been on a strict candida diet for years just because I react toany carbohydrate food immediately, which means I can't eat any sweetfruit, starchy vegetables or grains. My diet consists of mostly greenleafy vegetables, cold pressed oils, some nuts and seeds, non-sweetfruit and seaweed. I eat mostly salads and have been drinking greenvegetables smoothies with green superfoods. I'm generally prettyhealthy, but this candida thing is just so stubborn. I would imagineby now after all these years with all the things I'm doing I'd be ableto get rid of it.I've also used MMS but kind of on and off because the taste and smellmakes it kind of hard to stick with. I recently tried ittransdermally with DMSO, but it's also kind of a messy ordeal eventhough I can feel that MMS is really powerful stuff, just requiresdiscipline.I have a rife machine that I use on and off as well… with no results.I'm going to try the Bob Beck Protocol for about 45 days. I just gotthe equipment. I was going to try taking Oleander after the Bob BeckProtocol to help strengthen my immune system even more after some ofthe pathogens are killed off. Has anyone had any experience with oleander and candida? I've taken colloidal silver before without any results. Maybe notenough. More recently I've been taking Molecular Silver and NanoSilver, which I guess are supposed to be more effective. Since theBob Beck Protocol includes making colloidal silver, I can make as muchas I want now that I have the equipment, and experiment with dosage tosee if it makes any difference.Any help would be appreciated.Thanks,Katy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Hi Duke, Yes, I'm using a certified person. I'm sure there is one in your area. Check on the internet for locations. Let me know if you need help in finding one. Tammatha - Duke Stone oleander soup Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:53 AM Re: oleander and candida Tammatha Is this a procedure that you do at home or are you using a professional. Duke Stone ----- Dallas, Texas info (AT) DukeStone (DOT) Biz --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Tammatha <tammatha (AT) sonic (DOT) net> wrote: Tammatha <tammatha (AT) sonic (DOT) net>Re: oleander and candidaoleander soup Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 11:01 PM Hi Katy, I too had candida for many years due to excessive antibiotics given to me in my twenties & thirties for chronic sinus infections. Didn't realize I had it really until I was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2006. I just thought it was allergies. I'm now a vegan raw fooder for about 2 years, almost no grain, I do quinoa which many see it as a seed not a grain. I live on green smoothies. I have pretty much whipped the awful yeast with parasite cleansing, many herbs, supplements including the C Silver & S/OPC (oleander). But mainly what truly helped and I would highly recommend is Colon Hydrotherapy in conjunction with everything else. It definately purges all the crud out bacteria, yeast, parasites etc. and works in harmony with everything you are doing. Try it with wheatgrass implants which is extremely cleansing at all levels. You will feel like a million bucks. Of course it takes time, just as it took time to develop the yeast. Tammatha - Katy oleander soup Monday, October 06, 2008 6:08 PM oleander and candida Hi,I was wondering if anyone has had success with taking Oleander forcandida?I've had candida for over 10 years since taking antibiotics as ateenager. I've spent thousands and thousands of dollars over theyears on every imaginable herb, supplement, practitioner, probiotic...you name it, but most things have no or very little effect on it.I've been a vegan raw foodist for almost 8 years. Have done a goodamount of intestinal cleansing. I understand the acid/alkalinebalance in the body and have been mostly eating alkaline foods. Ihave been on a strict candida diet for years just because I react toany carbohydrate food immediately, which means I can't eat any sweetfruit, starchy vegetables or grains. My diet consists of mostly greenleafy vegetables, cold pressed oils, some nuts and seeds, non-sweetfruit and seaweed. I eat mostly salads and have been drinking greenvegetables smoothies with green superfoods. I'm generally prettyhealthy, but this candida thing is just so stubborn. I would imagineby now after all these years with all the things I'm doing I'd be ableto get rid of it.I've also used MMS but kind of on and off because the taste and smellmakes it kind of hard to stick with. I recently tried ittransdermally with DMSO, but it's also kind of a messy ordeal eventhough I can feel that MMS is really powerful stuff, just requiresdiscipline.I have a rife machine that I use on and off as well… with no results.I'm going to try the Bob Beck Protocol for about 45 days. I just gotthe equipment. I was going to try taking Oleander after the Bob BeckProtocol to help strengthen my immune system even more after some ofthe pathogens are killed off. Has anyone had any experience with oleander and candida? I've taken colloidal silver before without any results. Maybe notenough. More recently I've been taking Molecular Silver and NanoSilver, which I guess are supposed to be more effective. Since theBob Beck Protocol includes making colloidal silver, I can make as muchas I want now that I have the equipment, and experiment with dosage tosee if it makes any difference.Any help would be appreciated.Thanks,Katy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Is it at all harmful to consume the ionic particles? Can't one just take more of the home made silver in order to get the right amount of silver particles? oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129 wrote: > > Hi Katy, > > As a maintenance dose, I take one tablespoon a day. If I should feel > some type of infection coming on, I will drink about a coffee cup full > and it will immediately ward it off. How long did you take it? > > The difference between colloidal and ionic silver is the respective > particles. Colloidal silver has a higher ratio of silver particles and > ionic a higher ratio of ionic particles. For example, and I will use > Utopia Silver <http://www.utopiasilver.com/affiliates/jrox.php?id=77> , > it has 75% silver particles to 25% ionic particles, wheras the Silver > Puppy which is one of the best home generators has 15% silver to 85% > ionic. For internal use, colloidal silver is best as it can make its > way through the digestive track, where ionic really doesn't. Ionic > silver is best for cleaning, disinfecting and topical > use. 20 PPM is just fine. Particle size is always of the utmost > importance. > > Oleander can be used topically when made into a soup and then refined to > a lotion. It is very effective against skin cancers and other skin > conditions. Here are the lotion instructions. > > > For a Basic Oleander Skin Creme or Lotion: > > 1. > For a basic skin creme or lotion: Slowly boil the original brew > down to a light syrup, condensing the liquid and making it > thicker at a less than boiling temperature. > > 2. > Mix the final syrup with an aloe based hand cream, using one > part oleander syrup to three parts hand cream. Used regularly, > Dr. Ozel's patent says this is a good topical cream > for pre-cancerous skin cells, age spots, moles, and psoriasis. > > 3. > When used for psoriaisis, it is most effective to mix the > concentrated oleander with ozonated olive oil. It works even > better if you mix it with ozonated grape seed oil although > some people have a skin sensitivity to the more potent ozonated > grape seed oil. (Olive oils sets like Vaseline after about 4 - > 5 days of bubbling ozone through it while grape seed oil takes > from 18 - 22 days. It is thus much more saturated with > ozone). > > 4. > Adding DMSO is also recommennded. > > > And here is the links for the oleander soup recipe. Remember, the > recipe must be followed to the letter. > > > The Recipe for Oleander Soup Part 1 > </oleander soup.htm> > > The Recipe for Oleander Soup Part 2 - Tips and Advice > </tips.htm> > > > The only way oleander would irritate the skin is if you are allergic to > it. The symptoms are itchiness and irritation and it will arise whether > taking it internally or using the lotion topically. In this case, > oleander should not be used. However, from our experience, people who > are allergic to oleander are few and far between. > > For Candida, I would make sure that what I am using is colloidal silver > and the best you will find is at Utopia Silver > <http://www.utopiasilver.com/affiliates/jrox.php?id=77> . You can be > assured as to its quality. And by the way, right now they are having a > 35% off sale. Here is the link if you are interested. > > Utopia Silver <http://www.utopiasilver.com/affiliates/jrox.php?id=77> > > Katy, I wish you the very best. I know how frustrating chronic > conditions can be, and 10 years is a very long time. Don't forget to > also look at the Candida Remedies. For example, coconut oil is a > magnificent healing agent. It is best to tackle health issues with a > " full arsenal. " Again, here is the link. > > /Candida.htm </Candida.htm> > > Please keep us posted as to your progress. > > Hugs, > > > > > > > oleander soup , " Katy " <katypomelov@> wrote: > > > > I definitely have had more than 2 oz of different kinds of silver per > > day, but maybe not long enough. Sometimes I'd have more, and other > > times I'd have less, not really sure how much exactly. Sometimes a > > few droppers full per day and other times several ounces, but never > > noticed a difference. > > > > Can you explain the difference between Colloidal Silver and Ionic > > Silver? The device that I got for making silver in distilled water > > (no salt!!!:-) is said to make " Ionic Colloidal Silver " : > > http://www.sotainstruments.com/products_silver_pulser.asp > > How is it different? Would you not recommend drinking it? > > > > I ordered some Sutherlandia OPC, looking forward to giving it a try. > > I also ordered an organic Oleander plant to put in my yard. I have a > > vegetable garden, so it couldn't hurt to also have a powerful immune > > strengthening/cancer fighting plant around. :-) > > > > Is Oleander used topically on skin as well? I think I read somewhere > > that it is. Does it irritate the skin at all? What is the correct > > way to use it topically? > > > > Thanks for your help! > > Katy > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Within reason no, it is not harmful so long as the home made ionic silver is is decent quality and one does not contaminate it or consume huge amounts over a long period of time. Just remember though, that the cases of the very rare blue skin condition almost always trace back to large quantities of inferior brands or home made versions of large particle ionic silver - and it is the large particle silver that is most difficult to eliminate from the body. If Utopia Silver Advanced Colloial Silver is up to 500 times more efficient than silver made from a popular home silver machine, how much do you have to drink to get the same benefit for a serious condition to equal what you would get from two to four ounces of the Advanced Silver? An impossible amount! Having said all of that, eight ounces or a bit more of home made ionic silver made from a machine such as the Silver Puppy or Silver Edge (or the soon to be released Utopia Silver machine) for a couple of weeks or so should be fine. I have seen four ounces a day of Advanced Silver knock out some bad candida in less than two weeks. Not sure if home silver can do that. oleander soup , " Katy " <katypomelov wrote: > > Is it at all harmful to consume the ionic particles? Can't one just > take more of the home made silver in order to get the right amount of > silver particles? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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