oleander and candida

October 7, 2008

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone has had success with taking Oleander for

candida?

I've had candida for over 10 years since taking antibiotics as a

teenager. I've spent thousands and thousands of dollars over the

years on every imaginable herb, supplement, practitioner, probiotic...

you name it, but most things have no or very little effect on it.

I've been a vegan raw foodist for almost 8 years. Have done a good

amount of intestinal cleansing. I understand the acid/alkaline

balance in the body and have been mostly eating alkaline foods. I

have been on a strict candida diet for years just because I react to

any carbohydrate food immediately, which means I can't eat any sweet

fruit, starchy vegetables or grains. My diet consists of mostly green

leafy vegetables, cold pressed oils, some nuts and seeds, non-sweet

fruit and seaweed. I eat mostly salads and have been drinking green

vegetables smoothies with green superfoods. I'm generally pretty

healthy, but this candida thing is just so stubborn. I would imagine

by now after all these years with all the things I'm doing I'd be able

to get rid of it.

I've also used MMS but kind of on and off because the taste and smell

makes it kind of hard to stick with. I recently tried it

transdermally with DMSO, but it's also kind of a messy ordeal even

though I can feel that MMS is really powerful stuff, just requires

discipline.

I have a rife machine that I use on and off as well… with no results.

I'm going to try the Bob Beck Protocol for about 45 days. I just got

the equipment. I was going to try taking Oleander after the Bob Beck

Protocol to help strengthen my immune system even more after some of

the pathogens are killed off.

Has anyone had any experience with oleander and candida?

I've taken colloidal silver before without any results. Maybe not

enough. More recently I've been taking Molecular Silver and Nano

Silver, which I guess are supposed to be more effective. Since the

Bob Beck Protocol includes making colloidal silver, I can make as much

as I want now that I have the equipment, and experiment with dosage to

see if it makes any difference.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Katy

October 7, 2008

Hi Katy,How much colloidal silver were you taking? Colloidal silver is very effective against Candida. The recommended dosage would be two ounces or more per day. You cannot overdose on colloidal silver, so you can take as much as you deem necessary. Ionic silver, which is the silver one makes themselves is really good for topical use. Colloidal silver would be what you would really need to combat Candida. Right now Utopia Silver is having a 35% off sale on their colloidal silver products. Here is the link for easy reference. http://www.utopiasilver.com/sale/I am also going to post the remedies for Candida found in The Best Years in Life Home Remedies . /Candida.htm As for taking Sutherlandia OPC, you really cannot go wrong here because of its immune boosting properties. I recommend that everybody take it for that reason and it is an excellent preventative against cancer. Hugs,oleander soup , "Katy" <katypomelov wrote:>> Hi,> > I was wondering if anyone has had success with taking Oleander for> candida?> I've had candida for over 10 years since taking antibiotics as a> teenager. I've spent thousands and thousands of dollars over the> years on every imaginable herb, supplement, practitioner, probiotic...> you name it, but most things have no or very little effect on it.> I've been a vegan raw foodist for almost 8 years. Have done a good> amount of intestinal cleansing. I understand the acid/alkaline> balance in the body and have been mostly eating alkaline foods. I> have been on a strict candida diet for years just because I react to> any carbohydrate food immediately, which means I can't eat any sweet> fruit, starchy vegetables or grains. My diet consists of mostly green> leafy vegetables, cold pressed oils, some nuts and seeds, non-sweet> fruit and seaweed. I eat mostly salads and have been drinking green> vegetables smoothies with green superfoods. I'm generally pretty> healthy, but this candida thing is just so stubborn. I would imagine> by now after all these years with all the things I'm doing I'd be able> to get rid of it.> I've also used MMS but kind of on and off because the taste and smell> makes it kind of hard to stick with. I recently tried it> transdermally with DMSO, but it's also kind of a messy ordeal even> though I can feel that MMS is really powerful stuff, just requires> discipline.> I have a rife machine that I use on and off as well… with no results.> I'm going to try the Bob Beck Protocol for about 45 days. I just got> the equipment. I was going to try taking Oleander after the Bob Beck> Protocol to help strengthen my immune system even more after some of> the pathogens are killed off. > Has anyone had any experience with oleander and candida? > I've taken colloidal silver before without any results. Maybe not> enough. More recently I've been taking Molecular Silver and Nano> Silver, which I guess are supposed to be more effective. Since the> Bob Beck Protocol includes making colloidal silver, I can make as much> as I want now that I have the equipment, and experiment with dosage to> see if it makes any difference.> Any help would be appreciated.> > Thanks,> Katy>

October 7, 2008

Thank you for mentioning the 35% off. I just ordered another gallon for Weaver & I, cheaper that way.

Tammatha

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May

oleander soup

Monday, October 06, 2008 7:51 PM

Re: oleander and candida

Hi Katy,How much colloidal silver were you taking? Colloidal silver is very effective against Candida. The recommended dosage would be two ounces or more per day. You cannot overdose on colloidal silver, so you can take as much as you deem necessary. Ionic silver, which is the silver one makes themselves is really good for topical use. Colloidal silver would be what you would really need to combat Candida. Right now Utopia Silver is having a 35% off sale on their colloidal silver products. Here is the link for easy reference.http://www.utopiasilver.com/sale/I am also going to post the remedies for Candida found in The Best Years in Life Home Remedies . /Candida.htm As for taking Sutherlandia OPC, you really cannot go wrong here because of its immune boosting properties. I recommend that everybody take it for that reason and it is an excellent preventative against cancer. Hugs,oleander soup , "Katy" <katypomelov wrote:>> Hi,> > I was wondering if anyone has had success with taking Oleander for> candida?> I've had candida for over 10 years since taking antibiotics as a> teenager. I've spent thousands and thousands of dollars over the> years on every imaginable herb, supplement, practitioner, probiotic...> you name it, but most things have no or very little effect on it.> I've been a vegan raw foodist for almost 8 years. Have done a good> amount of intestinal cleansing. I understand the acid/alkaline> balance in the body and have been mostly eating alkaline foods. I> have been on a strict candida diet for years just because I react to> any carbohydrate food immediately, which means I can't eat any sweet> fruit, starchy vegetables or grains. My diet consists of mostly green> leafy vegetables, cold pressed oils, some nuts and seeds, non-sweet> fruit and seaweed. I eat mostly salads and have been drinking green> vegetables smoothies with green superfoods. I'm generally pretty> healthy, but this candida thing is just so stubborn. I would imagine> by now after all these years with all the things I'm doing I'd be able> to get rid of it.> I've also used MMS but kind of on and off because the taste and smell> makes it kind of hard to stick with. I recently tried it> transdermally with DMSO, but it's also kind of a messy ordeal even> though I can feel that MMS is really powerful stuff, just requires> discipline.> I have a rife machine that I use on and off as well… with no results.> I'm going to try the Bob Beck Protocol for about 45 days. I just got> the equipment. I was going to try taking Oleander after the Bob Beck> Protocol to help strengthen my immune system even more after some of> the pathogens are killed off. > Has anyone had any experience with oleander and candida? > I've taken colloidal silver before without any results. Maybe not> enough. More recently I've been taking Molecular Silver and Nano> Silver, which I guess are supposed to be more effective. Since the> Bob Beck Protocol includes making colloidal silver, I can make as much> as I want now that I have the equipment, and experiment with dosage to> see if it makes any difference.> Any help would be appreciated.> > Thanks,> Katy>

October 7, 2008

Hi Katy,

I too had candida for many years due to excessive antibiotics given to me in my twenties & thirties for chronic sinus infections. Didn't realize I had it really until I was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2006. I just thought it was allergies. I'm now a vegan raw fooder for about 2 years, almost no grain, I do quinoa which many see it as a seed not a grain. I live on green smoothies. I have pretty much whipped the awful yeast with parasite cleansing, many herbs, supplements including the C Silver & S/OPC (oleander). But mainly what truly helped and I would highly recommend is Colon Hydrotherapy in conjunction with everything else. It definately purges all the crud out bacteria, yeast, parasites etc. and works in harmony with everything you are doing. Try it with wheatgrass implants which is extremely cleansing at all levels. You will feel like a million bucks. Of course it takes time, just as it took time to develop the yeast.

Tammatha

-

Katy

oleander soup

Monday, October 06, 2008 6:08 PM

oleander and candida

Hi,I was wondering if anyone has had success with taking Oleander forcandida?I've had candida for over 10 years since taking antibiotics as ateenager. I've spent thousands and thousands of dollars over theyears on every imaginable herb, supplement, practitioner, probiotic...you name it, but most things have no or very little effect on it.I've been a vegan raw foodist for almost 8 years. Have done a goodamount of intestinal cleansing. I understand the acid/alkalinebalance in the body and have been mostly eating alkaline foods. Ihave been on a strict candida diet for years just because I react toany carbohydrate food immediately, which means I can't eat any sweetfruit, starchy vegetables or grains. My diet consists of mostly greenleafy vegetables, cold pressed oils, some nuts and seeds, non-sweetfruit and seaweed. I eat mostly salads and have been drinking greenvegetables smoothies with green superfoods. I'm generally prettyhealthy, but this candida thing is just so stubborn. I would imagineby now after all these years with all the things I'm doing I'd be ableto get rid of it.I've also used MMS but kind of on and off because the taste and smellmakes it kind of hard to stick with. I recently tried ittransdermally with DMSO, but it's also kind of a messy ordeal eventhough I can feel that MMS is really powerful stuff, just requiresdiscipline.I have a rife machine that I use on and off as well… with no results.I'm going to try the Bob Beck Protocol for about 45 days. I just gotthe equipment. I was going to try taking Oleander after the Bob BeckProtocol to help strengthen my immune system even more after some ofthe pathogens are killed off. Has anyone had any experience with oleander and candida? I've taken colloidal silver before without any results. Maybe notenough. More recently I've been taking Molecular Silver and NanoSilver, which I guess are supposed to be more effective. Since theBob Beck Protocol includes making colloidal silver, I can make as muchas I want now that I have the equipment, and experiment with dosage tosee if it makes any difference.Any help would be appreciated.Thanks,Katy

October 7, 2008

My fungal load has decreased and my nails are clear but I have been taking dyflucan and nystaten over about 6 months as well along with oregano and neem oil topically with lots of supplements[supplements. I still have some fungus in my blood and some days the candida is as bad as when I first started

Duke Stone ----- Dallas, Texas

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--- On Mon, 10/6/08, Katy <katypomelov wrote:

Katy <katypomelov oleander and candidaoleander soup Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 8:08 PM

Hi,I was wondering if anyone has had success with taking Oleander forcandida?I've had candida for over 10 years since taking antibiotics as ateenager. I've spent thousands and thousands of dollars over theyears on every imaginable herb, supplement, practitioner, probiotic...you name it, but most things have no or very little effect on it.I've been a vegan raw foodist for almost 8 years. Have done a goodamount of intestinal cleansing. I understand the acid/alkalinebalance in the body and have been mostly eating alkaline foods. Ihave been on a strict candida diet for years just because I react toany carbohydrate food immediately, which means I can't eat any sweetfruit, starchy vegetables or grains. My diet consists of mostly greenleafy vegetables, cold pressed oils, some nuts and seeds, non-sweetfruit and seaweed. I eat mostly salads and have been drinking greenvegetables smoothies with

green superfoods. I'm generally prettyhealthy, but this candida thing is just so stubborn. I would imagineby now after all these years with all the things I'm doing I'd be ableto get rid of it.I've also used MMS but kind of on and off because the taste and smellmakes it kind of hard to stick with. I recently tried ittransdermally with DMSO, but it's also kind of a messy ordeal eventhough I can feel that MMS is really powerful stuff, just requiresdiscipline.I have a rife machine that I use on and off as well… with no results.I'm going to try the Bob Beck Protocol for about 45 days. I just gotthe equipment. I was going to try taking Oleander after the Bob BeckProtocol to help strengthen my immune system even more after some ofthe pathogens are killed off. Has anyone had any experience with oleander and candida? I've taken colloidal silver before without any results. Maybe notenough. More

recently I've been taking Molecular Silver and NanoSilver, which I guess are supposed to be more effective. Since theBob Beck Protocol includes making colloidal silver, I can make as muchas I want now that I have the equipment, and experiment with dosage tosee if it makes any difference.Any help would be appreciated.Thanks,Katy

October 7, 2008

I definitely have had more than 2 oz of different kinds of silver per

day, but maybe not long enough. Sometimes I'd have more, and other

times I'd have less, not really sure how much exactly. Sometimes a

few droppers full per day and other times several ounces, but never

noticed a difference.

Can you explain the difference between Colloidal Silver and Ionic

Silver? The device that I got for making silver in distilled water

(no salt!!!:-) is said to make " Ionic Colloidal Silver " :

http://www.sotainstruments.com/products_silver_pulser.asp

How is it different? Would you not recommend drinking it?

I ordered some Sutherlandia OPC, looking forward to giving it a try.

I also ordered an organic Oleander plant to put in my yard. I have a

vegetable garden, so it couldn't hurt to also have a powerful immune

strengthening/cancer fighting plant around. :-)

Is Oleander used topically on skin as well? I think I read somewhere

that it is. Does it irritate the skin at all? What is the correct

way to use it topically?

Thanks for your help!

Katy

oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129

wrote:

>

> Hi Katy,

>

> How much colloidal silver were you taking? Colloidal silver is very

> effective against Candida. The recommended dosage would be two ounces

> or more per day. You cannot overdose on colloidal silver, so you can

> take as much as you deem necessary. Ionic silver, which is the silver

> one makes themselves is really good for topical use. Colloidal silver

> would be what you would really need to combat Candida. Right now Utopia

> Silver <http://www.utopiasilver.com/affiliates/jrox.php?id=77> is

> having a 35% off sale on their colloidal silver products. Here is the

> link for easy reference.

>

> http://www.utopiasilver.com/sale/ <http://www.utopiasilver.com/sale/>

>

> I am also going to post the remedies for Candida found in The Best Years

> in Life Home Remedies </remedies.htm> .

>

> /Candida.htm </Candida.htm>

>

> As for taking Sutherlandia OPC, you really cannot go wrong here because

> of its immune boosting properties. I recommend that everybody take it

> for that reason and it is an excellent preventative against cancer.

>

> Hugs,

>

> oleander soup , " Katy " <katypomelov@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I was wondering if anyone has had success with taking Oleander for

> > candida?

> > I've had candida for over 10 years since taking antibiotics as a

> > teenager. I've spent thousands and thousands of dollars over the

> > years on every imaginable herb, supplement, practitioner, probiotic...

> > you name it, but most things have no or very little effect on it.

> > I've been a vegan raw foodist for almost 8 years. Have done a good

> > amount of intestinal cleansing. I understand the acid/alkaline

> > balance in the body and have been mostly eating alkaline foods. I

> > have been on a strict candida diet for years just because I react to

> > any carbohydrate food immediately, which means I can't eat any sweet

> > fruit, starchy vegetables or grains. My diet consists of mostly green

> > leafy vegetables, cold pressed oils, some nuts and seeds, non-sweet

> > fruit and seaweed. I eat mostly salads and have been drinking green

> > vegetables smoothies with green superfoods. I'm generally pretty

> > healthy, but this candida thing is just so stubborn. I would imagine

> > by now after all these years with all the things I'm doing I'd be able

> > to get rid of it.

> > I've also used MMS but kind of on and off because the taste and smell

> > makes it kind of hard to stick with. I recently tried it

> > transdermally with DMSO, but it's also kind of a messy ordeal even

> > though I can feel that MMS is really powerful stuff, just requires

> > discipline.

> > I have a rife machine that I use on and off as well… with no

> results.

> > I'm going to try the Bob Beck Protocol for about 45 days. I just got

> > the equipment. I was going to try taking Oleander after the Bob Beck

> > Protocol to help strengthen my immune system even more after some of

> > the pathogens are killed off.

> > Has anyone had any experience with oleander and candida?

> > I've taken colloidal silver before without any results. Maybe not

> > enough. More recently I've been taking Molecular Silver and Nano

> > Silver, which I guess are supposed to be more effective. Since the

> > Bob Beck Protocol includes making colloidal silver, I can make as much

> > as I want now that I have the equipment, and experiment with dosage to

> > see if it makes any difference.

> > Any help would be appreciated.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Katy

> >

>

October 7, 2008

Dyflucan knocked my immune system down so much that I got the worst cold I ever had in my life, did nothing for the candida. I rarely if ever get colds either. Two weeks to go away. Last time ever will I do a prescription drug for any ailment. I ruins the body period.

Tammatha

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Duke Stone

oleander soup

Monday, October 06, 2008 9:37 PM

Re: oleander and candida

My fungal load has decreased and my nails are clear but I have been taking dyflucan and nystaten over about 6 months as well along with oregano and neem oil topically with lots of supplements[supplements. I still have some fungus in my blood and some days the candida is as bad as when I first started

Duke Stone ----- Dallas, Texas

info (AT) DukeStone (DOT) Biz

--- On Mon, 10/6/08, Katy <katypomelov (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Katy <katypomelov (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> oleander and candidaoleander soup Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 8:08 PM

Hi,I was wondering if anyone has had success with taking Oleander forcandida?I've had candida for over 10 years since taking antibiotics as ateenager. I've spent thousands and thousands of dollars over theyears on every imaginable herb, supplement, practitioner, probiotic...you name it, but most things have no or very little effect on it.I've been a vegan raw foodist for almost 8 years. Have done a goodamount of intestinal cleansing. I understand the acid/alkalinebalance in the body and have been mostly eating alkaline foods. Ihave been on a strict candida diet for years just because I react toany carbohydrate food immediately, which means I can't eat any sweetfruit, starchy vegetables or grains. My diet consists of mostly greenleafy vegetables, cold pressed oils, some nuts and seeds, non-sweetfruit and seaweed. I eat mostly salads and have been drinking greenvegetables smoothies with green superfoods. I'm generally prettyhealthy, but this candida thing is just so stubborn. I would imagineby now after all these years with all the things I'm doing I'd be ableto get rid of it.I've also used MMS but kind of on and off because the taste and smellmakes it kind of hard to stick with. I recently tried ittransdermally with DMSO, but it's also kind of a messy ordeal eventhough I can feel that MMS is really powerful stuff, just requiresdiscipline.I have a rife machine that I use on and off as well… with no results.I'm going to try the Bob Beck Protocol for about 45 days. I just gotthe equipment. I was going to try taking Oleander after the Bob BeckProtocol to help strengthen my immune system even more after some ofthe pathogens are killed off. Has anyone had any experience with oleander and candida? I've taken colloidal silver before without any results. Maybe notenough. More recently I've been taking Molecular Silver and NanoSilver, which I guess are supposed to be more effective. Since theBob Beck Protocol includes making colloidal silver, I can make as muchas I want now that I have the equipment, and experiment with dosage tosee if it makes any difference.Any help would be appreciated.Thanks,Katy

October 7, 2008

How long have you had this problem?

This holistic doctor I was seeing finally put me on a prescription of

Nizoral after everything else failed. That didn't have any effect

either. I've tried so many thing, often in large therapeutic doses

for quite a while at times, like months, and absolutely no effect.

It's just amazing, candida is so stubborn. Other people I've known

who had this problem said similar things. The longer you have it the

harder it is to get rid of.

I just started seeing a new herbalist a month ago, he was sure I'd

notice something in a month. I have a 2nd appointment with him this

week and will have to report that I noticed nothing after a month.

It's been like that for years. Thousands of dollars down the drain.

I do believe that the body can heal itself. I just need to figure out

what mine needs to straighten this thing out.

I'm constantly trying new stuff. People always recommend great

products that worked for them, but for some reason they just don't

work for me.

I had live blood analysis done last weekend and the woman couldn't

find any obvious candida in my blood. But I react to carbohydrate

food just the same. Other blood tests from the holistic doctor showed

that I had some candida but not huge amounts. It's so confusing. It

feels like it's completely out of control by how quickly and intensely

I react to things.

Another thing other tests showed was that I have low intestinal flora

even after consuming massive quantities of every imaginable probiotic

known to man over the years.

I am now thinking that even after consuming so much raw organic

alkaline food, maybe it's still not enough, maybe my body needs to be

yet more alkaline than I think, because it seems like candida persists

in acidic environment where the immune system is suppressed. But 8

years of raw food and all this cleansing that I've done, and still it

only gets worse and more stubborn with time. I become more and more

sensitive to different foods and have to cut more out of my diet.

oleander soup , Duke Stone <dukesdeals wrote:

>

> My fungal load has decreased and my nails are clear but I have been

taking dyflucan and nystaten over about 6 months as well along with

oregano and neem oil topically with lots of supplements[supplements. I

still have some fungus in my blood and some days the candida is as bad

as when I first started

>

> Duke Stone ----- Dallas, Texas

> info

>

> --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Katy <katypomelov wrote:

>

> Katy <katypomelov

> oleander and candida

> oleander soup

> Monday, October 6, 2008, 8:08 PM

>

x>

> Hi,

>

> I was wondering if anyone has had success with taking Oleander for

> candida?

> I've had candida for over 10 years since taking antibiotics as a

> teenager. I've spent thousands and thousands of dollars over the

> years on every imaginable herb, supplement, practitioner, probiotic...

> you name it, but most things have no or very little effect on it.

> I've been a vegan raw foodist for almost 8 years. Have done a good

> amount of intestinal cleansing. I understand the acid/alkaline

> balance in the body and have been mostly eating alkaline foods. I

> have been on a strict candida diet for years just because I react to

> any carbohydrate food immediately, which means I can't eat any sweet

> fruit, starchy vegetables or grains. My diet consists of mostly green

> leafy vegetables, cold pressed oils, some nuts and seeds, non-sweet

> fruit and seaweed. I eat mostly salads and have been drinking green

> vegetables smoothies with green superfoods. I'm generally pretty

> healthy, but this candida thing is just so stubborn. I would imagine

> by now after all these years with all the things I'm doing I'd be able

> to get rid of it.

> I've also used MMS but kind of on and off because the taste and smell

> makes it kind of hard to stick with. I recently tried it

> transdermally with DMSO, but it's also kind of a messy ordeal even

> though I can feel that MMS is really powerful stuff, just requires

> discipline.

> I have a rife machine that I use on and off as well… with no results.

> I'm going to try the Bob Beck Protocol for about 45 days. I just got

> the equipment. I was going to try taking Oleander after the Bob Beck

> Protocol to help strengthen my immune system even more after some of

> the pathogens are killed off.

> Has anyone had any experience with oleander and candida?

> I've taken colloidal silver before without any results. Maybe not

> enough. More recently I've been taking Molecular Silver and Nano

> Silver, which I guess are supposed to be more effective. Since the

> Bob Beck Protocol includes making colloidal silver, I can make as much

> as I want now that I have the equipment, and experiment with dosage to

> see if it makes any difference.

> Any help would be appreciated.

>

> Thanks,

> Katy

>

October 7, 2008

Tammatha

Were you using fresh extracted wheatgrass or powder.

Duke Stone ----- Dallas, Texas

info

--- On Mon, 10/6/08, Tammatha <tammatha wrote:

Tammatha <tammathaRe: oleander and candidaoleander soup Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 11:01 PM

Hi Katy,

I too had candida for many years due to excessive antibiotics given to me in my twenties & thirties for chronic sinus infections. Didn't realize I had it really until I was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2006. I just thought it was allergies. I'm now a vegan raw fooder for about 2 years, almost no grain, I do quinoa which many see it as a seed not a grain. I live on green smoothies. I have pretty much whipped the awful yeast with parasite cleansing, many herbs, supplements including the C Silver & S/OPC (oleander). But mainly what truly helped and I would highly recommend is Colon Hydrotherapy in conjunction with everything else. It definately purges all the crud out bacteria, yeast, parasites etc. and works in harmony with everything you are doing. Try it with wheatgrass implants which is extremely cleansing at all levels. You will feel like a million

bucks. Of course it takes time, just as it took time to develop the yeast.

Tammatha

-

Katy

oleander soup

Monday, October 06, 2008 6:08 PM

oleander and candida

Hi,I was wondering if anyone has had success with taking Oleander forcandida?I've had candida for over 10 years since taking antibiotics as ateenager. I've spent thousands and thousands of dollars over theyears on every imaginable herb, supplement, practitioner, probiotic...you name it, but most things have no or very little effect on it.I've been a vegan raw foodist for almost 8 years. Have done a goodamount of intestinal cleansing. I understand the acid/alkalinebalance in the body and have been mostly eating alkaline foods. Ihave been on a strict candida diet for years just because I react toany carbohydrate food immediately, which means I can't eat any sweetfruit, starchy vegetables or grains. My diet consists of mostly greenleafy vegetables, cold pressed oils, some nuts and seeds, non-sweetfruit and seaweed. I eat mostly salads and have been drinking greenvegetables smoothies with

green superfoods. I'm generally prettyhealthy, but this candida thing is just so stubborn. I would imagineby now after all these years with all the things I'm doing I'd be ableto get rid of it.I've also used MMS but kind of on and off because the taste and smellmakes it kind of hard to stick with. I recently tried ittransdermally with DMSO, but it's also kind of a messy ordeal eventhough I can feel that MMS is really powerful stuff, just requiresdiscipline.I have a rife machine that I use on and off as well… with no results.I'm going to try the Bob Beck Protocol for about 45 days. I just gotthe equipment. I was going to try taking Oleander after the Bob BeckProtocol to help strengthen my immune system even more after some ofthe pathogens are killed off. Has anyone had any experience with oleander and candida? I've taken colloidal silver before without any results. Maybe notenough. More

recently I've been taking Molecular Silver and NanoSilver, which I guess are supposed to be more effective. Since theBob Beck Protocol includes making colloidal silver, I can make as muchas I want now that I have the equipment, and experiment with dosage tosee if it makes any difference.Any help would be appreciated.Thanks,Katy

October 7, 2008

Hi Katy,As a maintenance dose, I take one tablespoon a day. If I should feel some type of infection coming on, I will drink about a coffee cup full and it will immediately ward it off. How long did you take it? The difference between colloidal and ionic silver is the respective particles. Colloidal silver has a higher ratio of silver particles and ionic a higher ratio of ionic particles. For example, and I will use Utopia Silver , it has 75% silver particles to 25% ionic particles, wheras the Silver Puppy which is one of the best home generators has 15% silver to 85% ionic. For internal use, colloidal silver is best as it can make its way through the digestive track, where ionic really doesn't. Ionic silver is best for cleaning, disinfecting and topicaluse. 20 PPM is just fine. Particle size is always of the utmost importance.Oleander can be used topically when made into a soup and then refined to a lotion. It is very effective against skin cancers and other skin conditions. Here are the lotion instructions.

For a Basic Oleander Skin Creme or Lotion:

For a basic skin creme or lotion: Slowly boil the original brew down to a light syrup, condensing the liquid and making it thicker at a less than boiling temperature.

Mix the final syrup with an aloe based hand cream, using one part oleander syrup to three parts hand cream. Used regularly, Dr. Ozel's patent says this is a good topical cream for pre-cancerous skin cells, age spots, moles, and psoriasis.

When used for psoriaisis, it is most effective to mix the concentrated oleander with ozonated olive oil. It works even better if you mix it with ozonated grape seed oil although some people have a skin sensitivity to the more potent ozonated grape seed oil. (Olive oils sets like Vaseline after about 4 - 5 days of bubbling ozone through it while grape seed oil takes from 18 - 22 days. It is thus much more saturated with ozone).

Adding DMSO is also recommennded.And here is the links for the oleander soup recipe. Remember, the recipe must be followed to the letter.

The Recipe for Oleander Soup Part 1

The Recipe for Oleander Soup Part 2 - Tips and Advice

The only way oleander would irritate the skin is if you are allergic to it. The symptoms are itchiness and irritation and it will arise whether taking it internally or using the lotion topically. In this case, oleander should not be used. However, from our experience, people who are allergic to oleander are few and far between.For Candida, I would make sure that what I am using is colloidal silver and the best you will find is at Utopia Silver . You can be assured as to its quality. And by the way, right now they are having a 35% off sale. Here is the link if you are interested.Utopia Silver Katy, I wish you the very best. I know how frustrating chronic conditions can be, and 10 years is a very long time. Don't forget to also look at the Candida Remedies. For example, coconut oil is a magnificent healing agent. It is best to tackle health issues with a "full arsenal." Again, here is the link./Candida.htm Please keep us posted as to your progress.Hugs,oleander soup , "Katy" <katypomelov wrote:>> I definitely have had more than 2 oz of different kinds of silver per> day, but maybe not long enough. Sometimes I'd have more, and other> times I'd have less, not really sure how much exactly. Sometimes a> few droppers full per day and other times several ounces, but never> noticed a difference.> > Can you explain the difference between Colloidal Silver and Ionic> Silver? The device that I got for making silver in distilled water> (no salt!!!:-) is said to make "Ionic Colloidal Silver":> http://www.sotainstruments.com/products_silver_pulser.asp> How is it different? Would you not recommend drinking it?> > I ordered some Sutherlandia OPC, looking forward to giving it a try.> I also ordered an organic Oleander plant to put in my yard. I have a> vegetable garden, so it couldn't hurt to also have a powerful immune> strengthening/cancer fighting plant around. :-)> > Is Oleander used topically on skin as well? I think I read somewhere> that it is. Does it irritate the skin at all? What is the correct> way to use it topically?> > Thanks for your help!> Katy> > >

October 7, 2008

Katy,My heart goes out to you. Do go on a colloidal silver regimen and I would say drink a lot of it on an ongoing basis and see what happens. And, by all means, take the oleander.I also want to post the link below to the Emotional Freedom Technique. Whenever something goes awry with us, physically or emotionally, it is because our body's energy has been disrupted. EFT will perfectly align this disrupted energy. I will say that EFT demands practice and loyalty. Do not give up. I have seen results in all sorts of areas. http://www.emofree.com/ Practice it at least twice a day, upon rising and retiring at night. And I would recommend doing it throughout the day, every time you think about it. I am here to answer any questions you may have. EFT is tapping on specific energy points throughout the body. Healing involves the spirit, mind, and body. Hugs,oleander soup , "Katy" <katypomelov wrote:>> How long have you had this problem?> This holistic doctor I was seeing finally put me on a prescription of> Nizoral after everything else failed. That didn't have any effect> either. I've tried so many thing, often in large therapeutic doses> for quite a while at times, like months, and absolutely no effect. > It's just amazing, candida is so stubborn. Other people I've known> who had this problem said similar things. The longer you have it the> harder it is to get rid of.> I just started seeing a new herbalist a month ago, he was sure I'd> notice something in a month. I have a 2nd appointment with him this> week and will have to report that I noticed nothing after a month. > It's been like that for years. Thousands of dollars down the drain.> I do believe that the body can heal itself. I just need to figure out> what mine needs to straighten this thing out.> I'm constantly trying new stuff. People always recommend great> products that worked for them, but for some reason they just don't> work for me. > I had live blood analysis done last weekend and the woman couldn't> find any obvious candida in my blood. But I react to carbohydrate> food just the same. Other blood tests from the holistic doctor showed> that I had some candida but not huge amounts. It's so confusing. It> feels like it's completely out of control by how quickly and intensely> I react to things.> Another thing other tests showed was that I have low intestinal flora> even after consuming massive quantities of every imaginable probiotic> known to man over the years.> I am now thinking that even after consuming so much raw organic> alkaline food, maybe it's still not enough, maybe my body needs to be> yet more alkaline than I think, because it seems like candida persists> in acidic environment where the immune system is suppressed. But 8> years of raw food and all this cleansing that I've done, and still it> only gets worse and more stubborn with time. I become more and more> sensitive to different foods and have to cut more out of my diet.> > > oleander soup , Duke Stone dukesdeals@ wrote:> >> > My fungal load has decreased and my nails are clear but I have been> taking dyflucan and nystaten over about 6 months as well along with> oregano and neem oil topically with lots of supplements[supplements. I> still have some fungus in my blood and some days the candida is as bad> as when I first started > > > > > > > > Duke Stone ----- Dallas, Texas> > info@> > > > > > --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Katy katypomelov@ wrote:> > > > Katy katypomelov@> > oleander and candida> > oleander soup > > Monday, October 6, 2008, 8:08 PM> > > x> > > Hi,> > > > I was wondering if anyone has had success with taking Oleander for> > candida?> > I've had candida for over 10 years since taking antibiotics as a> > teenager. I've spent thousands and thousands of dollars over the> > years on every imaginable herb, supplement, practitioner, probiotic...> > you name it, but most things have no or very little effect on it.> > I've been a vegan raw foodist for almost 8 years. Have done a good> > amount of intestinal cleansing. I understand the acid/alkaline> > balance in the body and have been mostly eating alkaline foods. I> > have been on a strict candida diet for years just because I react to> > any carbohydrate food immediately, which means I can't eat any sweet> > fruit, starchy vegetables or grains. My diet consists of mostly green> > leafy vegetables, cold pressed oils, some nuts and seeds, non-sweet> > fruit and seaweed. I eat mostly salads and have been drinking green> > vegetables smoothies with green superfoods. I'm generally pretty> > healthy, but this candida thing is just so stubborn. I would imagine> > by now after all these years with all the things I'm doing I'd be able> > to get rid of it.> > I've also used MMS but kind of on and off because the taste and smell> > makes it kind of hard to stick with. I recently tried it> > transdermally with DMSO, but it's also kind of a messy ordeal even> > though I can feel that MMS is really powerful stuff, just requires> > discipline.> > I have a rife machine that I use on and off as well… with no results.> > I'm going to try the Bob Beck Protocol for about 45 days. I just got> > the equipment. I was going to try taking Oleander after the Bob Beck> > Protocol to help strengthen my immune system even more after some of> > the pathogens are killed off. > > Has anyone had any experience with oleander and candida? > > I've taken colloidal silver before without any results. Maybe not> > enough. More recently I've been taking Molecular Silver and Nano> > Silver, which I guess are supposed to be more effective. Since the> > Bob Beck Protocol includes making colloidal silver, I can make as much> > as I want now that I have the equipment, and experiment with dosage to> > see if it makes any difference.> > Any help would be appreciated.> > > > Thanks,> > Katy> >>

October 7, 2008

Hi,

I found this article on natural news and it claims that candida can

be controlled in just two weeks. Its a bit lengthy but very

informative.

The need for this article is both current and long-standing. The

current Candida diets are unhealthy, lengthy, unwise and simply not

all that effective. On the other hand, there is no reason that

Candida cannot be totally controlled in a few days to two weeks for

most cases -- a few cases may take longer than that.

At the roots of the Candida problem are several issues, few of which

are ever addressed in a way that shows any understanding of nature

and her laws.

Before we address those issues, let us just review a few points of

basic Candida pathology.

First: Candida albicans is one type of yeast. It normally exists in a

healthy gut and helps it to function better. It, as with all the

flora in the gut, escapes sometimes into the blood and is corralled

by the immune system in a few hours. Candida is one species of yeast.

It is not pathogenic unless it mutates (which it does in the right

environment) and it will be unaffected, generally, by other yeasts

and yeast by-products taken into the body.

Second: Candida as a pathology first appeared as a consequence of

antibiotics, which do not kill Candida, but which kill other friendly

flora which would prevent Candida from overgrowing in the same way

many trees in a rain forest prevent one species from owning

everything.

When Candida appeared as a pathology, people getting diagnosed were

very sick, on the verge of death. This condition is actually very

rare, even though Candida seems to be everywhere.

Third: Candida mutates when given lots of food and no restraint of

territory (i.e. the other friendly flora have died). It will become

something pathogenic that is believed to drill holes in the

intestines and enter the blood en masse. Once there, it roots in, so

to speak, and is difficult to remove.

When Candida is in the blood in any quantity, the person will have a

variety of symptoms and will not feel well. The person may have a

compromised immune system or have evidence of fungal growth on the

skin or mucus membranes. The person may be tired or otherwise

affected systemically.

Fourth: Candida lives off of sugar and alcohol. It prefers slightly

fermented sugars.

With this challenge, how can we regain control quickly and

effectively without putting someone on a diet that is worse than the

disease?

To answer this, we need to simply understand that there are three key

areas that need to be addressed when we treat Candida.

1. Inhibiting the Candida itself

2. Healing the immune system to respond to the problem

3. Feeding the person, while starving the Candida

1) Inhibiting the Candida itself is the simplest step to address. It

involves using substances that will inhibit Candida without any harm

to the person.

Traditionally, I have used Dr. Christopher's Original Formulas Yellow

Dock Combination. This formula is only sold in the bulk now because

of its content of comfrey (which I believe to be integral to its

effectiveness and desirable in any type of yeast problem). Although

it is available encapsulated, the ingredients are different from the

bulk formula. I use the powdered bulk formula either stirred into

juice or encapsulated.

I also like bayberry and everyone uses Pau d' Arco, which is

certainly effective.

These herbs together or separate will inhibit Candida growth. This is

helpful, though not necessarily vital, to the overall Candida battle.

I would probably use all three of the above options in small doses

every day for the two weeks.

When any of my young children get thrush, we always have cured it in

just a day or two with white oak bark tea (placed on the nipple and

in the mouth of the baby). White oak bark is strongly anti-fungal.

White oak bark is in the Yellow Dock Combination.

This is pretty much all I do from a standpoint of a direct attack on

Candida. I do not use Colloidal Silver because it is such an

indiscriminate killer.

2) Healing the immune system to respond to the problem involves

several levels of healing activity.

These steps are as follows:

a. Flora replacement is done with rejuvelac. Our method of using

rejuvelac in smoothies for optimal value is treated in detail in

Traci's Transformational Kitchen Recipe Collection, found on

(www.bestfoodist.com) .

The prudent use of fruit and why it is vital to use during Candida

troubles is treated later in this article.

In addition to replacing the over 300 varieties of flora in the gut

with rejuvelac, it is important to feed the new seedlings

(metaphorically speaking) plenty of healthy fertilizer and

superfoods. This means lots of raw vegetation (flora eats the

cellulose we cannot digest) and lots of inulin. Inulin is extracted

from burdock or elecampane root by decocting it for several hours

(instructions for decocting are found in Preparations Printout

available free on (www.KalsSchool.com) on the Downloads page under

Free Info).

b. Immune foods are the next step. This always means a superfood

containing at least spirulina and seaweeds, but the immune food I use

most in my practice is what I call I-Charge (Immune-Charge). This is

made from equal parts of specially prepared tinctures of garlic,

cayenne and Echinacea (you can email me to get the recipe).

In addition to this, lots of healthy minerals from sea salt, seaweeds

and mineral springs (such as TJ Clark Mine produces in Utah) will

replace minerals needed as markers and ingredients for key immune

response systems and components.

c. Reactive foods are the final and absolutely vital step in healing

the immune system. You can read about food reactions in detail in an

article called Understanding Food Reactions, which is available for

free at (www.KalsSchool.com) on the Downloads Page, under the Free

Info tab.

Food reactions will be discussed again later in connection with the

next point, but in relation to the immune system, it is vital to

understand that if you are constantly taking in foods that you react

to, your endocrine system (and all immune system components) will

become exhausted, stressed and depleted.

Thus there is no chance of having a healthy immune system so long as

you are eating foods that you have a reaction to on a regular basis.

In the above mentioned article, " Understanding Food Reactions " the

subject of how to discover, cure and prevent food reactions is

treated in detail.

3) Feeding the person, while starving the Candida is the least

understood step in the process of healing Candida quickly, though

ironically, it is the most discussed and the most effort is placed

here.

Generally, the position is taken that anything that might feed

Candida must be eliminated and this would include all sources of

sugar and any slowly-breaking-down starch or difficult-to-digest food.

This position is about half right. We will deal with the issues in

more detail now.

I will break this subject up like the others and cover the details

that should be understood or learned differently.

a. No fermentation is the first step in feeding the person but not

the Candida. Sugar that is fermented feeds Candida, but not you. This

includes alcohol, but also includes any sugar that can be chemically

changed through fermentation.

Regular sugar feeds Candida too, but if that sugar is usable to you,

it will feed you much faster than the Candida and is less of a

threat. Fermented sugar only feeds Candida and cancer cells. Not good.

Here we shall drop the first very important bombshell on my list: The

most important key to avoiding fermentation is to digest your food

completely.

This means several things:

i. Chew your food very thoroughly. I would not be surprised to

discover that raw foodists who are still struggling with Candida,

universally fail to chew their food to a paste before swallowing.

This means that holes and chasms exist in the food that will resist

mixing with digestive juices, but which will be in the perfect

condition to ferment.

ii. Take cayenne pepper in water (work up to ¼ teaspoon of cayenne in

any amount of water) 15 minutes before each meal to optimize

digestion like nothing else on earth I know of.

iii. Renew your digestion with at least monthly 3-5 day juice fasts

where you consume lots of carrot juice with lots of greens

(preferably including chard, beets and greens, parsley and

asparagus). This will take your digestion back in time about 20 years

and will help you avoid overeating, which is the next point.

iv. Avoid overeating as this poses the same problem as inadequate

chewing. This will leave food that ferments instead of digesting.

v. Avoid foods that you cannot digest, such as your reactive foods

(discussed below) and processed foods and wheat, dairy, white sugar,

protein powders, etc. All grains and beans should be sprouted if dry

(green beans are okay to eat without sprouting). Undigested food

particles in the blood are guaranteed to feed every undesirable

condition and invader, but not you.

vi. Avoid combining proteins and starches and fruit with anything.

Always eat fruit on an empty stomach. More details about this rule

and its exceptions can be found in Traci's Transformational Health

Principles, available for free at (www.bestfoodist.com) . Fruit will

heal you and will actually repel Candida in several ways provided

that it digests, rather than ferments. This means eating it on an

empty stomach and chewing it completely.

b. Having no food reactions is a good goal. A strong reaction to a

food eaten regularly, will not only exhaust the immune system, it

will also ensure that food and other foods eaten at the same time do

not fully digest.

These undigested food particles will feed yeast, thicken the blood,

and create acidity and disease.

Reactive foods do not digest because the immune system responds to

such an extent that digestion is stopped or greatly inhibited. This

will also exhaust the immune system such that it cannot fight Candida

overgrowths that do appear.

c. Lots of healthy glucose is the last thing that anyone expects to

hear recommended on a Candida diet. I think it is important to

notice, however, that people with Candida troubles are already sick,

I do not understand how starving them will help.

There is nothing in this world you need more than high quality

glucose and oxygen. The oxygen is a separate discussion, but glucose

is vital. Your body knows this and the process of replacing glucose,

if it is absent from the body, is one that will definitely feed

Candida.

The first thing that happens when your body is low on glucose is that

a hormone is secreted from your brain saying that it is starving and

it needs more glucose. This hormone (called ACTH) causes the adrenals

to release cortisol (which causes a mess if released too often due to

stress or bad dietary choices) which causes two important things to

happen: First, the body cells release protein (for manufacture into

glucose in the liver -- a process that pulls out water, minerals and

other nutrients and causes deficiency). Second, those same cells

become glucose resistant.

The protein is taken to the liver where a toxic form of glucose

synthesis takes place. Understand that this process is natural and

normal and no problem for your body if it happens once in a while.

When it happens a lot, there is a problem.

The glucose is released into the blood and the brain takes up all it

can. Immediately, however, there is an excess of glucose (a sugar) in

the blood which your body cells will not readily take up because the

cortisol made them glucose resistant.

Normal cells will not take it up, but cancer cells and Candida have

no such inhibitions!

The body will whip the pancreas to release high levels of insulin to

get that sugar into the cells (where it is needed) and out of the

blood (where it can cause problems).

This is a less desirable process to simply eating plenty of high

quality glucose in the first place. This means ripe fruit, honey,

sprouts and raw vegetables. Generally, I am in the habit of

recommending a piece of fruit 20 minutes before each meal. If you are

taking cayenne, you can take the cayenne fifteen minutes before this

or 5 minutes later, both seem to work.

I also recommend just fruit for breakfast. This feeds the body cells

and will not hang out in the blood for Candida to eat or blood sugar

to increase. This will build up glycogen stores (which are depleted

in most people) which will release glucose anytime it is needed so

that the whole cortisol process does not have to take place.

Sugars that are immediately usable by the body are no threat. This

includes whole sugars with enzymes in tact and trace minerals and

water to aid in their use. This is what you get from ripe fruit,

honey, sprouts and raw non-starchy vegetables.

This plan is simply an understanding of what the body really needs to

be healthy. It needs high quality glucose and oxygen in its cells,

not its blood.

It follows, once more, that the fruit, or any food, should be chewed

completely and all fruit should be eaten on an empty stomach. This

ensures that the fruit digests, rather than ferments. Fruit in the

stomach with any other food will ferment and certainly feed the

Candida.

Candida is a pretty trippy subject right now. There are elements of

the Candida struggle that are out of our control, such as modern

houses, EM radiation, microwave radiation on wireless devices and

Microwave ovens -- all of which encourage mutation in Candida and

malfunction in the human immune system.

We also deal with toxins in our air and water. We can put filters on

our home water (I put one on mine for less than 100 dollars and

installed it myself in one morning) and air systems, but just

breathing outside air may infuse us with synthetic fibers that

promote fugal growth and hide this growth from normal, natural

defenses.

My experience suggests, however, that wise use of natural methods

that are in our control is still enough. I hope it will continue to

be. We can cut down the microwave and EM radiation we are exposed to.

We also can think healthier thoughts and resist the down trend in

thinking that accompanies a toxic world full of people who are

struggling to express their love for one another (though, I generally

find that most people really do have that love).

I believe you can take control of your health in any situation in

life. If you really cannot, then focus on what you can control and

fall in love with that for now. Be grateful for what you can do and

for the challenges that keep you interested in doing better. Focus on

gratitude and your ability to do better will be gradually increased.

Hope this helps,

Simon

October 7, 2008

Is it at all harmful to consume the ionic particles? Can't one just

take more of the home made silver in order to get the right amount of

silver particles?

oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129

wrote:

>

> Hi Katy,

>

> As a maintenance dose, I take one tablespoon a day. If I should feel

> some type of infection coming on, I will drink about a coffee cup full

> and it will immediately ward it off. How long did you take it?

>

> The difference between colloidal and ionic silver is the respective

> particles. Colloidal silver has a higher ratio of silver particles and

> ionic a higher ratio of ionic particles. For example, and I will use

> Utopia Silver <http://www.utopiasilver.com/affiliates/jrox.php?id=77> ,

> it has 75% silver particles to 25% ionic particles, wheras the Silver

> Puppy which is one of the best home generators has 15% silver to 85%

> ionic. For internal use, colloidal silver is best as it can make its

> way through the digestive track, where ionic really doesn't. Ionic

> silver is best for cleaning, disinfecting and topical

> use. 20 PPM is just fine. Particle size is always of the utmost

> importance.

>

> Oleander can be used topically when made into a soup and then refined to

> a lotion. It is very effective against skin cancers and other skin

> conditions. Here are the lotion instructions.

>

> For a Basic Oleander Skin Creme or Lotion:

>

> 1.

> For a basic skin creme or lotion: Slowly boil the original brew

> down to a light syrup, condensing the liquid and making it

> thicker at a less than boiling temperature.

>

> 2.

> Mix the final syrup with an aloe based hand cream, using one

> part oleander syrup to three parts hand cream. Used regularly,

> Dr. Ozel's patent says this is a good topical cream

> for pre-cancerous skin cells, age spots, moles, and psoriasis.

>

> 3.

> When used for psoriaisis, it is most effective to mix the

> concentrated oleander with ozonated olive oil. It works even

> better if you mix it with ozonated grape seed oil although

> some people have a skin sensitivity to the more potent ozonated

> grape seed oil. (Olive oils sets like Vaseline after about 4 -

> 5 days of bubbling ozone through it while grape seed oil takes

> from 18 - 22 days. It is thus much more saturated with

> ozone).

>

> 4.

> Adding DMSO is also recommennded.

>

> And here is the links for the oleander soup recipe. Remember, the

> recipe must be followed to the letter.

>

> The Recipe for Oleander Soup Part 1

> </oleander soup.htm>

>

> The Recipe for Oleander Soup Part 2 - Tips and Advice

> </tips.htm>

>

> The only way oleander would irritate the skin is if you are allergic to

> it. The symptoms are itchiness and irritation and it will arise whether

> taking it internally or using the lotion topically. In this case,

> oleander should not be used. However, from our experience, people who

> are allergic to oleander are few and far between.

>

> For Candida, I would make sure that what I am using is colloidal silver

> and the best you will find is at Utopia Silver

> <http://www.utopiasilver.com/affiliates/jrox.php?id=77> . You can be

> assured as to its quality. And by the way, right now they are having a

> 35% off sale. Here is the link if you are interested.

>

> Utopia Silver <http://www.utopiasilver.com/affiliates/jrox.php?id=77>

>

> Katy, I wish you the very best. I know how frustrating chronic

> conditions can be, and 10 years is a very long time. Don't forget to

> also look at the Candida Remedies. For example, coconut oil is a

> magnificent healing agent. It is best to tackle health issues with a

> " full arsenal. " Again, here is the link.

>

> /Candida.htm </Candida.htm>

>

> Please keep us posted as to your progress.

>

> Hugs,

>

> oleander soup , " Katy " <katypomelov@> wrote:

> >

> > I definitely have had more than 2 oz of different kinds of silver per

> > day, but maybe not long enough. Sometimes I'd have more, and other

> > times I'd have less, not really sure how much exactly. Sometimes a

> > few droppers full per day and other times several ounces, but never

> > noticed a difference.

> >

> > Can you explain the difference between Colloidal Silver and Ionic

> > Silver? The device that I got for making silver in distilled water

> > (no salt!!!:-) is said to make " Ionic Colloidal Silver " :

> > http://www.sotainstruments.com/products_silver_pulser.asp

> > How is it different? Would you not recommend drinking it?

> >

> > I ordered some Sutherlandia OPC, looking forward to giving it a try.

> > I also ordered an organic Oleander plant to put in my yard. I have a

> > vegetable garden, so it couldn't hurt to also have a powerful immune

> > strengthening/cancer fighting plant around. :-)

> >

> > Is Oleander used topically on skin as well? I think I read somewhere

> > that it is. Does it irritate the skin at all? What is the correct

> > way to use it topically?

> >

> > Thanks for your help!

> > Katy

> >

>

October 7, 2008

Hi Katy,

No, Ionic silver will not harm you. Yet, colloidal silver is effective

when dealing with infections because it can get through the digestive

tract. Ionic silver is not able to do this. Unfortunately, particle

ratio does not increase when an increased amount of ionic silver is

made. It still has roughly 15% silver to 85% ionic.

Hugs,

oleander soup , " Katy " <katypomelov wrote:

>

> Is it at all harmful to consume the ionic particles? Can't one just

> take more of the home made silver in order to get the right amount of

> silver particles?

>

October 7, 2008

katy,

here's a website that i came across awhile ago that talks about ionic silver v.

colloidal

silver and i found it quite helpful. it also ranks the quality of the different

brands. i, for

one, use the utopia silver that many in this group use.

www.silver-colloids.com

RAZOR.

oleander soup , " Katy " <katypomelov wrote:

>

> Is it at all harmful to consume the ionic particles? Can't one just

> take more of the home made silver in order to get the right amount of

> silver particles?

>

> oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Katy,

> >

> > As a maintenance dose, I take one tablespoon a day. If I should feel

> > some type of infection coming on, I will drink about a coffee cup full

> > and it will immediately ward it off. How long did you take it?

> >

> > The difference between colloidal and ionic silver is the respective

> > particles. Colloidal silver has a higher ratio of silver particles and

> > ionic a higher ratio of ionic particles. For example, and I will use

> > Utopia Silver <http://www.utopiasilver.com/affiliates/jrox.php?id=77> ,

> > it has 75% silver particles to 25% ionic particles, wheras the Silver

> > Puppy which is one of the best home generators has 15% silver to 85%

> > ionic. For internal use, colloidal silver is best as it can make its

> > way through the digestive track, where ionic really doesn't. Ionic

> > silver is best for cleaning, disinfecting and topical

> > use. 20 PPM is just fine. Particle size is always of the utmost

> > importance.

> >

> > Oleander can be used topically when made into a soup and then refined to

> > a lotion. It is very effective against skin cancers and other skin

> > conditions. Here are the lotion instructions.

> >

> > For a Basic Oleander Skin Creme or Lotion:

> >

> > 1.

> > For a basic skin creme or lotion: Slowly boil the original brew

> > down to a light syrup, condensing the liquid and making it

> > thicker at a less than boiling temperature.

> >

> > 2.

> > Mix the final syrup with an aloe based hand cream, using one

> > part oleander syrup to three parts hand cream. Used regularly,

> > Dr. Ozel's patent says this is a good topical cream

> > for pre-cancerous skin cells, age spots, moles, and psoriasis.

> >

> > 3.

> > When used for psoriaisis, it is most effective to mix the

> > concentrated oleander with ozonated olive oil. It works even

> > better if you mix it with ozonated grape seed oil although

> > some people have a skin sensitivity to the more potent ozonated

> > grape seed oil. (Olive oils sets like Vaseline after about 4 -

> > 5 days of bubbling ozone through it while grape seed oil takes

> > from 18 - 22 days. It is thus much more saturated with

> > ozone).

> >

> > 4.

> > Adding DMSO is also recommennded.

> >

> > And here is the links for the oleander soup recipe. Remember, the

> > recipe must be followed to the letter.

> >

> > The Recipe for Oleander Soup Part 1

> > </oleander soup.htm>

> >

> > The Recipe for Oleander Soup Part 2 - Tips and Advice

> > </tips.htm>

> >

> > The only way oleander would irritate the skin is if you are allergic to

> > it. The symptoms are itchiness and irritation and it will arise whether

> > taking it internally or using the lotion topically. In this case,

> > oleander should not be used. However, from our experience, people who

> > are allergic to oleander are few and far between.

> >

> > For Candida, I would make sure that what I am using is colloidal silver

> > and the best you will find is at Utopia Silver

> > <http://www.utopiasilver.com/affiliates/jrox.php?id=77> . You can be

> > assured as to its quality. And by the way, right now they are having a

> > 35% off sale. Here is the link if you are interested.

> >

> > Utopia Silver <http://www.utopiasilver.com/affiliates/jrox.php?id=77>

> >

> > Katy, I wish you the very best. I know how frustrating chronic

> > conditions can be, and 10 years is a very long time. Don't forget to

> > also look at the Candida Remedies. For example, coconut oil is a

> > magnificent healing agent. It is best to tackle health issues with a

> > " full arsenal. " Again, here is the link.

> >

> > /Candida.htm </Candida.htm>

> >

> > Please keep us posted as to your progress.

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> > oleander soup , " Katy " <katypomelov@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I definitely have had more than 2 oz of different kinds of silver per

> > > day, but maybe not long enough. Sometimes I'd have more, and other

> > > times I'd have less, not really sure how much exactly. Sometimes a

> > > few droppers full per day and other times several ounces, but never

> > > noticed a difference.

> > >

> > > Can you explain the difference between Colloidal Silver and Ionic

> > > Silver? The device that I got for making silver in distilled water

> > > (no salt!!!:-) is said to make " Ionic Colloidal Silver " :

> > > http://www.sotainstruments.com/products_silver_pulser.asp

> > > How is it different? Would you not recommend drinking it?

> > >

> > > I ordered some Sutherlandia OPC, looking forward to giving it a try.

> > > I also ordered an organic Oleander plant to put in my yard. I have a

> > > vegetable garden, so it couldn't hurt to also have a powerful immune

> > > strengthening/cancer fighting plant around. :-)

> > >

> > > Is Oleander used topically on skin as well? I think I read somewhere

> > > that it is. Does it irritate the skin at all? What is the correct

> > > way to use it topically?

> > >

> > > Thanks for your help!

> > > Katy

> > >

> >

>

October 7, 2008

If you aren't taking Utopia Silver colloidal silver, it may take a

lot, especially if you are taking home-made mostly ionic silver.

Probably 8 ounces a day would be my guess. With Utopia Silver, two to

four ounces a day will usually knock out candida in a matter of days.

Incorporate plenty of coconut oil in your diet. That helps a lot with

candida and is healthy in many, many ways.