Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Hi My wife is taking chemo after all, somebody know if it is ok take OPC with it? I am not sure if it is bad or not to take chemo but is her choice push by MDs so... I hope take oleander with FAC chemo cicles are OK. (she has brest c.) Thanks for any advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Yes, by all means she should take OPC. This will lessen or possibly eliminate the side effects caused by chemo. Unless she is taking cisplatin. It will not eliminate hair loss. We do not recommend taking chemo at all as it does nothing other than to compromise the immune system, among other things. That is why it is very important that besides taking OPC she also follow Tony's anti-cancer protocol during this process. This will strengthen her immune system and while taking chemo her immune system needs all the help it can get. Here is the link:A Natural Anti-Cancer ProtocolI understand the pressure that doctors can put on a person convincing them to take chemo. They use fear, and fear works.I wish you and your wife all the best. Please keep us posted as to her progress.Hugs,oleander soup , "lu5fhp" <lu5fhp wrote:>> Hi My wife is taking chemo after all, somebody> know if it is ok take OPC with it?> I am not sure if it is bad or not to take chemo but> is her choice push by MDs so... I hope take oleander> with FAC chemo cicles are OK. (she has brest c.)> > Thanks for any advice> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 DOES OPC or ANVIRZEL help with radiation treatment? Thank you, Marva New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 If someone is going the chemo route I also recommend they take aloe vera or the active extract, Manapol which can be found online. The pharmaceutical company that makes it (Carrington Labs) puts it in their drugs to reduce side effects while enhancing their effectiveness. Not all aloe liquids are processed in such a way as to preserve the most important polysaccharides. Some make claims that they do. I have heard that Lily of the Desert has tested high, and they have one liquid that is preservative free that says it has the good stuff in some special form for enhanced absorption. Another thing to add to the diet would be spirulina. It is one of the most nutrient dense foods and very easy to digest. In studies done by the WHO it was found to be superior to mother's milk in feeding baby animals and has been used to rescue malnourished babies. It also contains cancer fighting phytonutrients that have been studied at places like Harvard Medical School. Start out with a small amount to avoid detox reactions as it's very high in chlorophyll. Any chemo that targets fast growing cells will kill off the cells in the lining of the digestive tract, the immune system, and the bone marrow resulting in malnutrition, anemia, and immune suppression. A quick google search on these three things and the word chemotherapy will turn up numerous documents on medical sites on the issues of dealing with these chemo induced diseases. Many cancer patients die of malnutrition which is why I recommend the two things above as they help with those problems while boosting over all health. The best way to consume spirulina is in powdered form in a blender drink. Aloe too if you use the liquid. I always recommend fresh made vegetable and fruit juice maybe blended up with some fresh fruit. No reason why it can't taste good. Ruth oleander soup , " lu5fhp " <lu5fhp wrote: > > Hi My wife is taking chemo after all, somebody > know if it is ok take OPC with it? > I am not sure if it is bad or not to take chemo but > is her choice push by MDs so... I hope take oleander > with FAC chemo cicles are OK. (she has brest c.) > > Thanks for any advice > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Essiac tea has also been found to help guard against chemo side effects. It is my personal belief that in most instances oleander is successful with chemo because it fights both the cancer and the effects of the chemo. According to the makers of the patented oleander medicine Anvirzel, when they compared people who use chemo alone, to people who use chemo and Anvirzel and people who use only Anvirzel, they found that by far the least successful group was those who opted for chemo alone while those who used Anvirzel and chemo had much better success rate. However, the overall greatest success was found in the group that used ONLY Anvirzel without any chemo. If one is determined to use chemo, I would suggest using it short term and then relying on oleander and a natural protocol, since long term use of chemo is mostly likely to result in diminishing returns and increasing damage. oleander soup , " Ruth Harris " <phoophh wrote: > > If someone is going the chemo route I also recommend they take aloe > vera or the active extract, Manapol which can be found online. The > pharmaceutical company that makes it (Carrington Labs) puts it in > their drugs to reduce side effects while enhancing their effectiveness. > > Not all aloe liquids are processed in such a way as to preserve the > most important polysaccharides. Some make claims that they do. I have > heard that Lily of the Desert has tested high, and they have one > liquid that is preservative free that says it has the good stuff in > some special form for enhanced absorption. > > Another thing to add to the diet would be spirulina. It is one of the > most nutrient dense foods and very easy to digest. In studies done by > the WHO it was found to be superior to mother's milk in feeding baby > animals and has been used to rescue malnourished babies. It also > contains cancer fighting phytonutrients that have been studied at > places like Harvard Medical School. Start out with a small amount to > avoid detox reactions as it's very high in chlorophyll. > > Any chemo that targets fast growing cells will kill off the cells in > the lining of the digestive tract, the immune system, and the bone > marrow resulting in malnutrition, anemia, and immune suppression. A > quick google search on these three things and the word chemotherapy > will turn up numerous documents on medical sites on the issues of > dealing with these chemo induced diseases. Many cancer patients die of > malnutrition which is why I recommend the two things above as they > help with those problems while boosting over all health. > > The best way to consume spirulina is in powdered form in a blender > drink. Aloe too if you use the liquid. I always recommend fresh made > vegetable and fruit juice maybe blended up with some fresh fruit. No > reason why it can't taste good. > > Ruth > > oleander soup , " lu5fhp " <lu5fhp@> wrote: > > > > Hi My wife is taking chemo after all, somebody > > know if it is ok take OPC with it? > > I am not sure if it is bad or not to take chemo but > > is her choice push by MDs so... I hope take oleander > > with FAC chemo cicles are OK. (she has brest c.) > > > > Thanks for any advice > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Yes, both do and they both lessen the side effects of radiation. Personally I would not choose to use radiation though. It is a failed mainstream treatment with a long history of lack of success that damages the body indiscriminately and may lead to the spread of cancer. oleander soup , dgdavid1 wrote: > > DOES OPC or ANVIRZEL help with radiation treatment? > > Thank you, > Marva > > > > > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Hi Marva, Yes OPC and Anvirzel lessen the effects of radiation treatment. However, Anvirzel is quite expensive, over $2,000 for a couple of months' supply. OPC and oleander soup have shown to be just as effective. Hugs, oleander soup , dgdavid1 wrote: > > DOES OPC or ANVIRZEL help with radiation treatment? > > Thank you, > Marva > > > > > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Thanks by the replay Yes I totally agree, I really understand and I not recommend chemo at all, but her tumor was getting bigger faster and she was really afraid, and MDs recommend chemo before surgery and I do know what later. So, I am happy that she wanna take OPC, and Spirulina, and Aloe. I think we gonna do liver cleanse and colon cleanse to either. Thanks again Fabian oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129 wrote: > > Yes, by all means she should take OPC. This will lessen or possibly > eliminate the side effects caused by chemo. Unless she is taking > cisplatin. It will not eliminate hair loss. > > We do not recommend taking chemo at all as it does nothing other than to > compromise the immune system, among other things. That is why it is > very important that besides taking OPC she also follow Tony's > anti-cancer protocol during this process. This will strengthen her > immune system and while taking chemo her immune system needs all the > help it can get. Here is the link: > > A Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol > </anticancer.htm> > > I understand the pressure that doctors can put on a person convincing > them to take chemo. They use fear, and fear works. > > I wish you and your wife all the best. Please keep us posted as to her > progress. > > Hugs, > > > oleander soup , " lu5fhp " <lu5fhp@> wrote: > > > > Hi My wife is taking chemo after all, somebody > > know if it is ok take OPC with it? > > I am not sure if it is bad or not to take chemo but > > is her choice push by MDs so... I hope take oleander > > with FAC chemo cicles are OK. (she has brest c.) > > > > Thanks for any advice > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Sorry I forgot, For now she take OPC, Aloe, spirulina, but she stop when got chemo for a couple of days because it make vomiting. At the second round of chemo she got partially hair lost and is fine. I saw her tired and white skin but is quite good considering the poison she got. I was wondering the time it need to get rid of tumors with OPC and why they was getting bigger? We start a macrobiotic diet to and leave any dairy product and cow meat. I think this was excellent for me too. I lost a looots of extra pounds as my wife do. This is another thread but for all of you, keep an eye open on dairy and cow products, I can assure it because I try it for good. regards oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129 wrote: > > Yes, by all means she should take OPC. This will lessen or possibly > eliminate the side effects caused by chemo. Unless she is taking > cisplatin. It will not eliminate hair loss. > > We do not recommend taking chemo at all as it does nothing other than to > compromise the immune system, among other things. That is why it is > very important that besides taking OPC she also follow Tony's > anti-cancer protocol during this process. This will strengthen her > immune system and while taking chemo her immune system needs all the > help it can get. Here is the link: > > A Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol > </anticancer.htm> > > I understand the pressure that doctors can put on a person convincing > them to take chemo. They use fear, and fear works. > > I wish you and your wife all the best. Please keep us posted as to her > progress. > > Hugs, > > > oleander soup , " lu5fhp " <lu5fhp@> wrote: > > > > Hi My wife is taking chemo after all, somebody > > know if it is ok take OPC with it? > > I am not sure if it is bad or not to take chemo but > > is her choice push by MDs so... I hope take oleander > > with FAC chemo cicles are OK. (she has brest c.) > > > > Thanks for any advice > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Fabian,I understand how fear plays a big part in opting to go the conventional route. And doctors use this effectively while pressuring a patient to undergo chemo and radiation.Is she finished with the chemo treatments? Has she had the surgery yet? Is there any possible way that you can convince her not to undergo any further chemo or radiation treatments after surgery? Chemo and radiation really do make things worse. They do not heal cancer. Maybe keep it at bay for a little while if you are lucky, but it always returns and sometimes with a vengeance. Lastly, is she following Tony's entire anti-cancer protocol? All these things, together, are very important. A Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol I am encouraged that she will take OPC. Has she been taking it continually as recommended throughout this process? I read in your other post that she stopped taking OPC while undergoing chemo because of the vomiting? Actually, her feeling so ill was caused by the chemo and not OPC. OPC will lessen, if not eliminate, the debilitating side effects caused by chemo.I wish you and your wife the very best. Please keep us posted as to how she decides to proceed and her progress. If she does decide to undergo more chemo and radiation treatments, whatever you do, don't stop the OPC. She will need it more than ever, not to mention that it will boost her badly compromised immune system. Also, Fabian, radiation causes the cancer to spread to other parts of the body. I would not opt for this at all. Actually, I would not opt for the chemo either.Warm regards,oleander soup , "lu5fhp" <lu5fhp wrote:>> Thanks by the replay> > Yes I totally agree, I really understand and I not recommend > chemo at all, but her tumor was getting bigger faster and she was > really afraid, and MDs recommend chemo before surgery and I do know > what later. So, I am happy that she wanna take OPC, and Spirulina, > and Aloe. I think we gonna do liver cleanse and colon cleanse to > either.> > Thanks again> > Fabian> > oleander soup , " May" luellamay129@ > wrote:> >> > Yes, by all means she should take OPC. This will lessen or possibly> > eliminate the side effects caused by chemo. Unless she is taking> > cisplatin. It will not eliminate hair loss.> > > > We do not recommend taking chemo at all as it does nothing other > than to> > compromise the immune system, among other things. That is why it is> > very important that besides taking OPC she also follow Tony's> > anti-cancer protocol during this process. This will strengthen her> > immune system and while taking chemo her immune system needs all the> > help it can get. Here is the link:> > > > A Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol> > </anticancer.htm>> > > > I understand the pressure that doctors can put on a person > convincing> > them to take chemo. They use fear, and fear works.> > > > I wish you and your wife all the best. Please keep us posted as to > her> > progress.> > > > Hugs,> > > > > > oleander soup , "lu5fhp" <lu5fhp@> wrote:> > >> > > Hi My wife is taking chemo after all, somebody> > > know if it is ok take OPC with it?> > > I am not sure if it is bad or not to take chemo but> > > is her choice push by MDs so... I hope take oleander> > > with FAC chemo cicles are OK. (she has brest c.)> > >> > > Thanks for any advice> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Fabian, How long has she been taking OPC and has she been taking it constantly and faithfully? This is very important. The results seen by OPC depends on each individual person. Sometimes it is almost immediately, but as a rule it takes about three months, sometimes a bit longer. But it must be taken as recommended. Also, we must take into account the damage done by the chemo, how has it compromised the immune system? That is why Tony's entire anti-cancer protocol is recommended as it gives the body a full arsenal in combating cancer. My best to you and your wife, oleander soup , " lu5fhp " <lu5fhp wrote: > > Sorry I forgot, For now she take OPC, Aloe, spirulina, but she stop > when got chemo for a couple of days because it make vomiting. At the > second round of chemo she got partially hair lost and is fine. I saw > her tired and white skin but is quite good considering the poison she > got. > I was wondering the time it need to get rid of tumors with OPC and > why they was getting bigger? > > We start a macrobiotic diet to and leave any dairy product and cow > meat. I think this was excellent for me too. I lost a looots of extra > pounds as my wife do. This is another thread but for all of you, keep > an eye open on dairy and cow products, I can assure it because I try > it for good. > > regards > > > oleander soup , " May " luellamay129@ > wrote: > > > > Yes, by all means she should take OPC. This will lessen or possibly > > eliminate the side effects caused by chemo. Unless she is taking > > cisplatin. It will not eliminate hair loss. > > > > We do not recommend taking chemo at all as it does nothing other > than to > > compromise the immune system, among other things. That is why it is > > very important that besides taking OPC she also follow Tony's > > anti-cancer protocol during this process. This will strengthen her > > immune system and while taking chemo her immune system needs all the > > help it can get. Here is the link: > > > > A Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol > > </anticancer.htm> > > > > I understand the pressure that doctors can put on a person > convincing > > them to take chemo. They use fear, and fear works. > > > > I wish you and your wife all the best. Please keep us posted as to > her > > progress. > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > oleander soup , " lu5fhp " <lu5fhp@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi My wife is taking chemo after all, somebody > > > know if it is ok take OPC with it? > > > I am not sure if it is bad or not to take chemo but > > > is her choice push by MDs so... I hope take oleander > > > with FAC chemo cicles are OK. (she has brest c.) > > > > > > Thanks for any advice > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 oleander soup , " lu5fhp " <lu5fhp wrote: > I was wondering the time it need to get rid of tumors with OPC and > why they was getting bigger? > Oleander does not usually work overnight - especially not on large and aggressive tumors. You have to take it long enough and take enough of it. Normally what first happens is that after you have taken oleander for awhile and at the maximum dose needed the tumor growth rate begins to slow. Then it stops. And then the tumor begins to shrink Finally there is no more tumor or else a small benign mass left and you eventually lessen the dose to a small maintenance amount to make sure the cancer does not return. Sometimes very large or aggressive tumors, or ones that form some kind of threatening blockage, might benefit from initial chemo or radiation (or even surgery), and maybe that was the case here. At any rate, what's done is done and no use to worry about it. Just go forward with a good outlook and do the best you can (she can) to follow the protocol that you believe will work. You know the one I like. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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