Guest guest Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 , How long were you on both? For me it's been 12 yrs on both, the longer you are on the tougher it is to come off. For me the losec withdrawal seems to be going well I have been taking apple cider vinegar and a little bicarb and yesterday introduced TMG (Hydrocloric acid) which seemed to have given me a painful feeling in the duedenun area/peptic ulcer area, what do I do if on the one hand I can cure the reflux by introducing more acid into the stomach but then at the same time worsen an ulcer situation, I am stumped at the moment. Gerald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 Hi Gerald. A very long time. I started having panic attacks in January, 1982 after the sudden death of my husband from a major heart attack in October, 1981. This condition, as it was a brand new thing back then, went undiagnosed for two years. In May, 1984, I was prescribed Xanax and Tofanil, the medications of the day. However, by then I was very close to homebound and literally had to learn to live again. That took about eight years. Paxil was introduced in 1998. I started the withdrawal procedure in January 2006 and that was accomplished in August 2006. Xanax was not a big deal to withdraw from as I only used it during severe panic times. I don't think that the length of time one is on a drug has anything to do with the difficulty of withdrawal. I believe, it is how you feel physically and your state of mind. You see, at that point I realized that I felt " well " and that it would be entirely possible to get off those drugs. And I felt " well " because I was following a new health regimen. My body was no longer deficient in certain nutrients, no longer giving me panic symptoms. And..... Emotionally I was stable. You could say I had come a long way. The withdrawal process was not bad at all. I dropped 5 mgs. every month. I would feel some withdrawal effects for a day or two, but then they would pass. In order to start the withdrawal process, you must be " ready " to do so, as those drugs are very addicting. And by " ready " I mean physically and emotionally. Both aspects are very important in healing depression, anxiety, and panic, dealing with the physical as well with any emotional issues. Yet, I will tell you that it is entirely possible. At one point I thought I would be on these drugs the rest of my life. I would not even think of doing away with them because, as you know, for someone with panic, anxiety and who is agoraphobic, this is your very lifeline to the world, your lifeline to life. Healing does take time. It's not a switch that you can turn on and off, it's a journey. And for complete healing, that journey must be done with love, love for oneself. Hope I have answered your questions, Gerald. Hugs, oleander soup , " gerald.fiore " <Dukka88 wrote: > > , > > How long were you on both? For me it's been 12 yrs on both, the longer > you are on the tougher it is to come off. For me the losec withdrawal > seems to be going well I have been taking apple cider vinegar and a > little bicarb and yesterday introduced TMG (Hydrocloric acid) which > seemed to have given me a painful feeling in the duedenun area/peptic > ulcer area, what do I do if on the one hand I can cure the reflux by > introducing more acid into the stomach but then at the same time worsen > an ulcer situation, I am stumped at the moment. > > Gerald > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Gerald, Why do you take bicarbs with the acv? I never did that, just took the acv with mother a few times a day and by the end of the week my reflux was much better. I did this on my own w/out telling my doctor. He tried to get me back on them and I told him no way that the acid blockers can cause heart problems too! I was on the acid pills/prevacid/nexium for about ten years or more. I finally decided they weren't for me thankfullly! I had read about acv helping with this naturally and took it from there. However, I still have to be careful with anything with high acid content like coffee and other things including some supplements like chlorella which truly did a number on me including MMS with the citric acid. So glad this is working for you, it's the right way to go. I too ordered Swedish Bitters and waiting for it to arrive at my doorsteps. Hugs and my best to you, Bonnie & Angelboy Cody 8/13/08New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Wow, very commendable Gerald indeed! I could never give up coffee! Amazed at how great your self control is getting, very nice to see that and happy you are able to get this under control by yourself and naturally. I will need to check into the bicarbs now, never used them before and it was hard getting acv down w/out any buffering for sure. All my best, Bonnie & ACodyNew MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Because according to the site that I left a link to says that in the stomach the ACV will get neutralised anyway and so avoiding the acid going down the throat seemed a good idea, look for one of my earlier posts and you'll see the link. The post on Bicarb buffers. The swedish bitters are ok, they don't seem to make things worse anyway, so far the acv and TMG (HCl) seems to be working, but I am also eating baby bowl meals (snacks) and avoiding all bad stuff, oily foods, cold foods, raw foods, fried, take aways, pizzas, tomatoes, caffeine, alcohol etc Gerald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Bonnie, I take ACV every day. I put about a teaspoon or two in the tall glass and put one scoop of stevia in it and fill it with cold water. It makes for a good tasting and refreshing drink. Maybe you can try that. Barbara Wow, very commendable Gerald indeed! I could never give up coffee! Amazed at how great your self control is getting, very nice to see that and happy you are able to get this under control by yourself and naturally. I will need to check into the bicarbs now, never used them before and it was hard getting acv down w/out any buffering for sure. All my best, Bonnie & ACody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Gerald, When I was diagnosed with acid reflux my weight was in the 120's, and am 5'6.5". I am now about ten pounds over weight. Have never been over weight in the sense of obese. I used to run seven miles a day and couldn't find an ounce of fat on me then. But I fell and hurt my back and walk daily now instead. I do miss running though, it was awesome for me! I think I am just hyper and stress myself out when things bother me which brings it on more easily. Also, drank lots of coffee and this is probably what did it along with chocolate and spicy foods too. I notice when I drink wine (love a good champagne) it bothers me too! When I took acv it was actually 2 tsps. 3x's daily, sorry.....it was def. before I ate dinner, etc. Never took HGL Licorice or slippery elm but did give them to my furkid Cody who had cancer and was receiving chemo. I am no pro on amino's so someone else might chime in on that. I think you have made wonderful progress Gerald, keep up the good work! Best regards, Bonnie & Angelboy CodyNew MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 BOnnie, Thankyou for that, 2 teaspoons 3 x a day doesn't seem much I am taking 1 and a half tablespoons 2 or 3x a day in warm water and bicarb as I said before, may need to start jogging in early morning when there is no splashing of stomach contents likely. G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Gerald, I always did my running in the mng. made me feel great for the rest of the day much luck to you with this, I miss my running daily but speed working is ok too. Let us know if this works for you the two tsps. instead of tablespoons. However, I did not take the bicarb like you do. Best regards, Bonnie & ACodyNew MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Why are you mixing ACV with Bicarb? Wouldn't they negate each other? Or is that the point to make a kind of neutral solution? Sorry, but I am not sure I understand this one. Is there a link to the info on this? I would love to try it. Alex oleander soup , " gerald.fiore " <Dukka88 wrote: > > BOnnie, > > Thankyou for that, 2 teaspoons 3 x a day doesn't seem much I am taking > 1 and a half tablespoons 2 or 3x a day in warm water and bicarb as I > said before, may need to start jogging in early morning when there is > no splashing of stomach contents likely. > > G > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Thanks will do! Although today kept the 2 tablespoons but not the bicarb and take the TMG as well. Gerald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 I have been on here for a while and just surfed but now I would like to answer this one. You are right that these two items neutralize. It will neutralize poisons as in ant stings. I remember my mom doing this when I was a child. She would make a paste and put on the sting and it would quit hurting. For acid stomach people think they need to alkalize but this is not the way to get rid of it. The real problem is not enough HCL in the stomach and the food sours making you believe it needs to be alkalized. What is needed is a Digestive aid such as HCL/betine or a pancreatic enzyme. I know from experience that when I have had and " acid " stomach I take the enzymes or HCL and it goes away. As we grow older the HCL in the stomach decreases and by the time we are in our late 50's it is gone. So it is necesary to supplement. I remember once being in a MLM company that had the motto of " dont dine with out enzymes. " I thought about it and thought it was right. I have practiced it and rarely do I ever have a problem any more. IF I do it is usually because I ate something that really needed the enzymes and I forgot or was where I could not take them right then. Give this a try. I really believe you will be surprised how it works. Regards, Kathryn oleander soup , " Somewhere in time. " <osiris20672002 wrote: > > > Why are you mixing ACV with Bicarb? Wouldn't they negate each other? > Or is that the point to make a kind of neutral solution? Sorry, but I > am not sure I understand this one. Is there a link to the info on > this? I would love to try it. > > Alex > > > > > oleander soup , " gerald.fiore " Dukka88@ wrote: > > > > BOnnie, > > > > Thankyou for that, 2 teaspoons 3 x a day doesn't seem much I am taking > > 1 and a half tablespoons 2 or 3x a day in warm water and bicarb as I > > said before, may need to start jogging in early morning when there is > > no splashing of stomach contents likely. > > > > G > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Pancreatic Enzymes stop stomach acid/reflux? How about eating Raw Organic Pancreas wouldn't taht give you the pancreatic enzymes? Or Pineapple/Papaya in their raw form. What if one eats 100% Raw and still refluxes, does that mean then one would have to be a too much acid case as the doctors suggest? I have been taking only the ACV today without the bicarb and TMG (HCI) with meals but how much? I took one capsule which is 175mg, is that too little per meal? G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Alex, http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/acv_baking_soda_cures.html#ACIDREFLU X G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 oleander soup , " gerald.fiore " <Dukka88 wrote: > > Alex, > > http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/acv_baking_soda_cures.html#ACIDREFLU > X > > G > Best cure I found was Unpasteurised Honey, a tablespoon before meals for a few weeks would sometimes get rid of it for months. Last time I had it was about five months ago, before I used honey it was almost a constant problem. Regards George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 George, Tried Honey but not unpastuerized Honey, where did you get that from? Can it be found in Health Food stores or directly from a beekeeper. G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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