Re:aflatoxins NCD - I agree with Doctor L

[Guest guest]

Well said. NCD is without doubt way over-inflated in price and you

are quite right that such is the case with most MLM products (not to

mention way over hyped in most cases).

 

Don't you have a similar less expensive product? Or am I thinking of

an MMS alternative? Or both?

 

 

oleander soup , " Dr. Loretta Lanphier "

<drlanphier wrote:

>

> NCD is tremendoulsy inflated as are all MLM products. They always

have the

> " best " process, secret or formula. It's a mind game and many have

been taken

> to task by the FTC (not my favorite entity) because of blantant

false claims

> and advertising. Because I have researched for myself and deal directly

> with someone who is very knowledgeable about and has worked with

zeolite,

> silver, gold, etc. (I am sure that there are many that are

knowledgeable but

> at different levels) for many years (way before they were popular),

I know

> exactly what it costs to make these types of products. Don't be

misled into

> thinking that some " special process " always makes the price go up - many

> times these special processes are either not needed or a good marketing

> " line. "

>

>

>

> I'm not saying that MLM products aren't always good. In fact, many

of them

> are very good and people do get results (probably not the " inflated "

results

> that we see in print); however, if you search long enough you will find

> products that will get the same results with the same ingredients for a

> much, much better price.

>

>

>

> I do agree that cheap products usually produce cheap results and that

> usually has more to do with the quality of ingredients and the

excipients,

> flow agents, etc. that are put into products. In the world of MLM

up-lines

> must be paid as well as the high-eshcalons sitting in their offices

while

> all the " natural health consultants " (title given by the MLM

companies to

> everyone who buys-in to the " family " ) do all the leg work and

advertising.

> Most " consultants " end up with a garage full of product and crushed

> " dreams. " However, MLM companies know and understand that people

will buy

> just about anthing that is recommended by " word of mouth " whether

true or

> not.

>

> I would also love to know the telephone numbers of people who were

healed of

> all of the disease and cancer that so many of the zeolite products

claim.

> Espececially for the zeolite product that was sent in yesterday

although I

> see them for NCD and other zeolite products. I know that those types of

> emails foster a certain amount of hope but I think caution needs to be

> urged. Being frequency enhanced is one thing (actually can mean

different

> things to different people) but it does not mean that the people

doing it

> know " what " they are doing. In fact, many don't

>

>

>

> I would also like to know the names of the zeolite products that

were tested

> and did not contain any zeolite. Were they tested by independent

labs? Who?

> If so then the results should be made public. How exactly were they

tested?

>

>

> Zeolite is a very useful product when used with a good protocol. I think

> that those trying to use the powder may come up with an inferior

product but

> that is up to them to decide. There is a science to this. Remember that

> just because someone has a patent doesn't necessarily make them

> knowledgeable. It just means they have patented a particular

formula or a

> particular " way " to produce something. Doesn't mean that it is the

best or

> safest way.

>

> Testimonies are always anecdotal. Sometimes people will use a myraid of

> things to get well, but then focus on one product that supposedly

" made all

> the difference. " That's not being truthful. I did a lot of things

to get

> well and am always asked what one thing do I think helped the most. The

> answer is I don't think there was one particular thing that helped

the most

> -- I think, in fact I know, that they all worked together

synergistically.

> That's the way the body heals from disease because it needs support

in so

> many areas and there is no one product that does it all. None.

>

> Be Well

> Loretta

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, we have ZeoMAX FA, less expensive

and in a 2-ounce bottle. We also have an MMS alternative OXY-SC; however,

it is at a lesser strength than the MMS, but the same initial product. We have

used this product for a long, long time (way before MMS). Personally, I think those

using the MMS without the citric acid may possibly have the best idea.

 

Someone mentioned that if a little zeolite is getting such good results then

certainly a more concentrated form might be better. This is not always

the case when formulating or in how the body actually absorbs, utilizes and assimilates

a product. Possibly everyone is aware of this, but just thought I would

throw it out. Many people over-dose with supplementation and actually

waste money, thinking that if a little is good then more is better.

 

Be wise and do your research. If product claims look too good to be true –

probably they are. Call companies or individuals and ask about those

claims. If something is supposedly curing cancer, then ask for numbers

for people who have been “cured.” I guarantee that if one

particular product cured me of cancer without any type of lifestyle change, I

would be shouting it from the roof-tops. If someone is making claims in a

forum, then ask specific questions like “What other modalities were you

doing?” or “Did you get an official diagnosis.” And “How

do you know you are well?” I have seen some say they were cured of

a particular cancer; however, when questioned further, they admitted that they “suspected”

they had cancer – no diagnosis. While they might be correct in their

self-diagnosing, they also may not be correct.

 

Be Well

Loretta

 

 

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Message-----

 

 

Well

said. NCD is without doubt way over-inflated in price and you are quite

right that such is the case with most MLM products (not to mention way over

hyped in most cases).

 

Don't

you have a similar less expensive product? Or am I thinking of an MMS

alternative? Or both?

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dr. Lanphier,

If not too personal, congratulations on your success against cancer.

You make a good point regarding dosages. Often there is not much published information to go on as is the case with powdered zeolite. There is more available information regarding swelling clays and I was planning to guesstimate a rough equivalency between the two and use that as a guide. In general, I believe that it is best to plan for results accumulated over a long period rather than fast results in a short period, if possible. If taking larger amounts of a chelating substance, such as zeolite, it is also wise to take mineral supplements because the chelator is not overly selective. If anyone has knowledge of powdered zeolite dosage I would like to hear about it.

I had looked at ZeoMAX FA and was glad to see that its claims are reasonable and I liked the use of fulvic acid. One thing did jump out at me though, the comment: "Our manufacturer has succeeded in an advanced technology that allows bio-available fulvic acid to digest and absorb the zeolite molecule directly into the fulvic acid structure." What exactly is meant by the phrase "digest and absorb the zeolite molecule directly into the fulvic acid structure"? Is this implying that zeolite is reduced to molecules in the solution?

- Steve

 

 

oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of Dr. Loretta LanphierMonday, September 22, 2008 10:55 PMoleander soup Subject: RE: Re:aflatoxins>NCD - I agree with Doctor L

" Someone mentioned that if a little zeolite is getting such good results then certainly a more concentrated form might be better. This is not always the case when formulating or in how the body actually absorbs, utilizes and assimilates a product. Possibly everyone is aware of this, but just thought I would throw it out. Many people over-dose with supplementation and actually waste money, thinking that if a little is good then more is better. "

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve

 

Thanks for your congratulations. My desire is to let people know that

they can absolutely get well without toxic chemicals and radiation. I am

no one special and if I can do it so can others.

 

 

I sent your question

over to our manufacturer/formulator.

 

Manufacturer Response: I don't totally

agree with the term “digest”. In actuality ZeoMAX FA uses ion

exchange points to attach to the zeolite. In the fulvic acid’s

ability to chelate minerals much smaller than the zeolite cage there is no tie

up of the minerals in the zeolite structure. Remember a cell will take up only

what it needs. Build-up of mineral toxins is the cell’s inability to get

rid of what it doesn't want or need. ZeoMAX FA allows the removal of what the

cell doesn't want while aiding the absorption of what it does.

 

By the way, we have

changed that on the ZeoMAX FA product page. Thanks for asking so that we can

get that clarified and more understandable. J

 

I also asked about a claim on the internet that says: Zeolite should not be mixed with Fulvic Acid because

it will strip Fulvic Acid's Ionic Organically Complexed Trace Mineral content.

 

Manufacturer Response: This

company, who makes the claim, produces an acid precipitated fulvic acid which

will destroy the zeolite cage thus making their product ineffective as a

zeolite carrier. So they make up un-provable falsehoods about ours.

 

One more

thing. According to our formulator, 99.9% of powdered zeolite is to large to penetrate the cell not

to mention most, if not all, zeolites carry toxic metals (lead, mercury, etc.)

I know that you understand this and have supposedly found a supplier who indicates

that their powdered zeolite is safe. Maybe it is….maybe it is not. And

to people who want to make zeolite for themselves caution is urged. More is not

better, especially if the zeolite is not extracted correctly some minerals will

be compounded into toxins. If the correct minerals are not preloaded into

the matrix, the " concentrated zeolite " will strip the cardiac muscle

of potassium and be absolutely deadly. One company tried this and nearly killed

a number of people. It’s really best to leave formulation and

extraction to those who have dedicated there lives to it. This is one

instance where knowledge and experience is very, very necessary. Proceed with caution.

 

Hope some of this helps.

 

Be Well

Loretta

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dr. Lanphier,

If not too personal, congratulations on your

success against cancer.

You make a good point regarding dosages. Often there is not

much published information to go on as is the case with powdered zeolite. There

is more available information regarding swelling clays and I was planning to

guesstimate a rough equivalency between the two and use that as a guide. In

general, I believe that it is best to plan for results accumulated over a

long period rather than fast results in a short period, if possible. If taking

larger amounts of a chelating substance, such as zeolite, it is also wise to

take mineral supplements because the chelator is not overly selective. If

anyone has knowledge of powdered zeolite dosage I would like to hear about it.

I had looked at ZeoMAX FA and was glad to see that its

claims are reasonable and I liked the use of fulvic acid. One thing did jump

out at me though, the comment: " Our manufacturer has succeeded

in an advanced technology that allows bio-available fulvic acid to digest

and absorb the zeolite molecule directly into the fulvic acid structure. "

What exactly is meant by the phrase " digest and absorb the zeolite

molecule directly into the fulvic acid structure " ? Is this implying that

zeolite is reduced to molecules in the solution?

- Steve

 

[Guest guest]

Dr. Lanphar,Thank you very much for your reply. After the MLMs it is nice to deal with a company such as yours. Your information is very helpful. - Steve-oleander soup <oleander soup >oleander soup <oleander soup >Tue Sep 23 21:36:03 2008RE: Re:aflatoxins>NCD - I agree with Doctor LHi SteveThanks for your congratulations. My desire is to let people know that they can absolutely get well without toxic chemicals and radiation. I am no one special and if I can do it so can others.I sent your question over to our manufacturer/formulator.Manufacturer Response: I don't totally agree with the term “digestâ€. In actuality ZeoMAX FA uses ion exchange points to attach to the zeolite. In the fulvic acid’s ability to chelate minerals much smaller than the zeolite cage there is no tie up of the minerals in the zeolite structure. Remember a cell will take up only what it needs. Build-up of mineral toxins is the cell’s inability to get rid of what it doesn't want or need. ZeoMAX FA allows the removal of what the cell doesn't want while aiding the absorption of what it does.By the way, we have changed that on the ZeoMAX FA product page. Thanks for asking so that we can get that clarified and more understandable. JI also asked about a claim on the internet that says: Zeolite should not be mixed with Fulvic Acid because it will strip Fulvic Acid's Ionic Organically Complexed Trace Mineral content.Manufacturer Response: This company, who makes the claim, produces an acid precipitated fulvic acid which will destroy the zeolite cage thus making their product ineffective as a zeolite carrier. So they make up un-provable falsehoods about ours.One more thing. According to our formulator, 99.9% of powdered zeolite is to large to penetrate the cell not to mention most, if not all, zeolites carry toxic metals (lead, mercury, etc.) I know that you understand this and have supposedly found a supplier who indicates that their powdered zeolite is safe. Maybe it is….maybe it is not. And to people who want to make zeolite for themselves caution is urged. More is not better, especially if the zeolite is not extracted correctly some minerals will be compounded into toxins. If the correct minerals are not preloaded into the matrix, the " concentrated zeolite " will strip the cardiac muscle of potassium and be absolutely deadly. One company tried this and nearly killed a number of people. It’s really best to leave formulation and extraction to those who have dedicated there lives to it. This is one instance where knowledge and experience is very, very necessary. Proceed with caution.Hope some of this helps.Be WellLoretta________________________________Dr. Lanphier,If not too personal, congratulations on your success against cancer.You make a good point regarding dosages. Often there is not much published information to go on as is the case with powdered zeolite. There is more available information regarding swelling clays and I was planning to guesstimate a rough equivalency between the two and use that as a guide. In general, I believe that it is best to plan for results accumulated over a long period rather than fast results in a short period, if possible. If taking larger amounts of a chelating substance, such as zeolite, it is also wise to take mineral supplements because the chelator is not overly selective. If anyone has knowledge of powdered zeolite dosage I would like to hear about it.I had looked at ZeoMAX FA and was glad to see that its claims are reasonable and I liked the use of fulvic acid. One thing did jump out at me though, the comment: " Our manufacturer has succeeded in an advanced technology that allows bio-available fulvic acid to digest and absorb the zeolite molecule directly into the fulvic acid structure. " What exactly is meant by the phrase " digest and absorb the zeolite molecule directly into the fulvic acid structure " ? Is this implying that zeolite is reduced to molecules in the solution? - Steve

[Guest guest]

 

 

oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of Dr. Loretta LanphierTuesday, September 23, 2008 7:36 PMoleander soup Subject: RE: Re:aflatoxins>NCD - I agree with Doctor L

 

 

 

 

Hi SteveThanks for your congratulations. My desire is to let people know that they can absolutely get well without toxic chemicals and radiation. I am no one special and if I can do it so can others.

 

 

I sent your question over to our manufacturer/formulator.Manufacturer Response: I don't totally agree with the term “digest”. In actuality ZeoMAX FA uses ion exchange points to attach to the zeolite. In the fulvic acid’s ability to chelate minerals much smaller than the zeolite cage there is no tie up of the minerals in the zeolite structure. Remember a cell will take up only what it needs. Build-up of mineral toxins is the cell’s inability to get rid of what it doesn't want or need. ZeoMAX FA allows the removal of what the cell doesn't want while aiding the absorption of what it does.

 

By the way, we have changed that on the ZeoMAX FA product page. Thanks for asking so that we can get that clarified and more understandable. JI also asked about a claim on the internet that says: Zeolite should not be mixed with Fulvic Acid because it will strip Fulvic Acid's Ionic Organically Complexed Trace Mineral content. Manufacturer Response: This company, who makes the claim, produces an acid precipitated fulvic acid which will destroy the zeolite cage thus making their product ineffective as a zeolite carrier. So they make up un-provable falsehoods about ours.

 

One more thing. According to our formulator, 99.9% of powdered zeolite is to large to penetrate the cell not to mention most, if not all, zeolites carry toxic metals (lead, mercury, etc.) I know that you understand this and have supposedly found a supplier who indicates that their powdered zeolite is safe. Maybe it is….maybe it is not. And to people who want to make zeolite for themselves caution is urged. More is not better, especially if the zeolite is not extracted correctly some minerals will be compounded into toxins. If the correct minerals are not preloaded into the matrix, the "concentrated zeolite" will strip the cardiac muscle of potassium and be absolutely deadly. One company tried this and nearly killed a number of people. It’s really best to leave formulation and extraction to those who have dedicated there lives to it. This is one instance where knowledge and experience is very, very necessary. Proceed with caution.Hope some of this helps.Be WellLoretta

 

 

 

 

Dr. Lanphier,

If not too personal, congratulations on your success against cancer.

You make a good point regarding dosages. Often there is not much published information to go on as is the case with powdered zeolite. There is more available information regarding swelling clays and I was planning to guesstimate a rough equivalency between the two and use that as a guide. In general, I believe that it is best to plan for results accumulated over a long period rather than fast results in a short period, if possible. If taking larger amounts of a chelating substance, such as zeolite, it is also wise to take mineral supplements because the chelator is not overly selective. If anyone has knowledge of powdered zeolite dosage I would like to hear about it.

I had looked at ZeoMAX FA and was glad to see that its claims are reasonable and I liked the use of fulvic acid. One thing did jump out at me though, the comment: "Our manufacturer has succeeded in an advanced technology that allows bio-available fulvic acid to digest and absorb the zeolite molecule directly into the fulvic acid structure." What exactly is meant by the phrase "digest and absorb the zeolite molecule directly into the fulvic acid structure"? Is this implying that zeolite is reduced to molecules in the solution?

- Steve

[Guest guest]

Dr. Lanphier,

 

Thank you for your reply and your efforts. I admit to surprise that you made changes to your product description. I certainly did not expect that. I appreciate that you are competing with products that claim to cure stage IV cancer and that you would want a product description that would provide you a competitive stature. It wasn’t my intent to question the accuracy of your description but only to understand what it meant. I appreciate the additional information you provided as well.

I’m sorry but I can’t pass up the opportunity to learn more when the opportunity presents itself and so I’d like to get your thoughts on some other questions I have been mulling over if I could. I realize that this is a brazen imposition on you and I understand if your busy schedule does not allow for you to respond.

I am interested in the fact that swelling clays (Bentonite, Montmorillonite) share some similar characteristics with zeolite while also being significantly different. But I am also looking at the clays to help understand zeolite and to see if maybe zeolite and clay have complementary differences. One interesting characteristic of the clays is that they take several days to pass out of the body. Apparently, they coat the intestinal lining. The following is from a testimonial at AboutClay.com:

 

“Recently, I had another chance to see what the clay has accomplished in another persons life. I have an individual in the office who was having problems sleeping and went to the medical community for help. After giving her a complete physical and finding nothing "out of sorts," they decided MRI (from the top of her head to mid-chest) to see if it would show anything. Well it did...but it was not associated with what they were looking for...! They found an enlarged lymph node next to her heart by the aorta. She was told they wanted to check it out in another two weeks...well needless to say she was terrified...!!! She came and talked to me and I immediately told her to order some of the Living Clay powder which she did! My wife mailed her some overnight to hold her over until her order arrived. I instructed her how to use it...she bathed in it and drank it for about 4 or 5 days before she was scheduled for her CT (from the bottom of the head to lower abdomen). The doctor wanted the same radiologist who read the MRI to read the CT and had to wait a few days before calling her with the results. The Doctor started out saying they now thought it was just an inflamed lymph node because it was smaller from when they first had seen it in the MRI. Then the doctor asked if she had been taking Pepto Bismal...curious at to what initiated the question...my friend said no...why do you ask? The doctor said the CT showed the entire intestinal track was lined with something like Pepto Bismal...!!! My friend then said she had been drinking calcium bentonite clay! The doctor said she had heard about it, that it was and to keep taking it because it is good for you...!!! Now you can come to your own conclusion but personally, knowing what I know...seeing what I have seen...I personally feel the clay immediately started to reverse the problem with the lymph node...and I think the doctor did as well but since she is a mainstream doctor, and a military one too...”

 

Do you know if zeolite also coats the intestinal lining such as the CAT scan confirmed that clay does? This could go a long way towards explaining why zeolite seems to have such a significant effect on the body. Especially since I have not been able to find convincing evidence that zeolite can pass into the bloodstream. In fact, I seriously doubt that zeolite does pass into the bloodstream. But that is a topic for another day,

Now for some perhaps wild speculation. Imagine if you will, this large surface area of the intestines coated with clay or zeolite, with the large cumulative charge of the clay or zeolite concentrated on the permeable intestinal wall and the body passing large amounts of blood on the other side of the intestinal wall. Could it be that the clay or zeolite is able to pull positively charged toxins back across the intestinal wall and provide a continual filtering of the blood? Could it be the negative charge of the clay or zeolite that causes the clay or zeolite to attach to the intestinal wall and then when the clay or zeolite loses its negative charge by filling with positively charged toxins, it then falls away from the wall to be passed from the body and is replaced by fresh clay or zeolite?

But what if zeolite does not coat the intestinal wall as clay does? Look at this description of clay charge:

 

“Particle Charge - Each crystal of Montmorillonite has a large net negative charge. Thus it tends to attract any positive ions (cations), such as Calcium or Sodium ions, to its surface. If the majority of these cations are Sodium, it is commonly referred to as a Sodium Bentonite (Montmorillonite). If the majority of the ions on the clay surface are Calcium, it is referred to as a Calcium Bentonite (Montmorillonite). The net negative charge is located inside the crystal itself. Therefore, cations tend to be attracted to the surface of the particle in an effort to neutralize the charge. The edge of the crystal has a few positive charges thus attracting negatively charged ions or molecules.”

 

The clay has a positive charge along the edge of the crystal. Could you combine clay with zeolite and use the clay’s positive charge to hold them together. Then when the clay coats the intestinal wall the zeolite would also coat the wall? Would something like this be compatible with your liquid zeolite processes?

 

- Steve

 

 

oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of Dr. Loretta LanphierTuesday, September 23, 2008 7:36 PMoleander soup Subject: RE: Re:aflatoxins>NCD - I agree with Doctor L

 

 

 

 

Hi SteveThanks for your congratulations. My desire is to let people know that they can absolutely get well without toxic chemicals and radiation. I am no one special and if I can do it so can others.

 

 

I sent your question over to our manufacturer/formulator.Manufacturer Response: I don't totally agree with the term “digest”. In actuality ZeoMAX FA uses ion exchange points to attach to the zeolite. In the fulvic acid’s ability to chelate minerals much smaller than the zeolite cage there is no tie up of the minerals in the zeolite structure. Remember a cell will take up only what it needs. Build-up of mineral toxins is the cell’s inability to get rid of what it doesn't want or need. ZeoMAX FA allows the removal of what the cell doesn't want while aiding the absorption of what it does.

 

By the way, we have changed that on the ZeoMAX FA product page. Thanks for asking so that we can get that clarified and more understandable. JI also asked about a claim on the internet that says: Zeolite should not be mixed with Fulvic Acid because it will strip Fulvic Acid's Ionic Organically Complexed Trace Mineral content. Manufacturer Response: This company, who makes the claim, produces an acid precipitated fulvic acid which will destroy the zeolite cage thus making their product ineffective as a zeolite carrier. So they make up un-provable falsehoods about ours.

 

One more thing. According to our formulator, 99.9% of powdered zeolite is to large to penetrate the cell not to mention most, if not all, zeolites carry toxic metals (lead, mercury, etc.) I know that you understand this and have supposedly found a supplier who indicates that their powdered zeolite is safe. Maybe it is….maybe it is not. And to people who want to make zeolite for themselves caution is urged. More is not better, especially if the zeolite is not extracted correctly some minerals will be compounded into toxins. If the correct minerals are not preloaded into the matrix, the "concentrated zeolite" will strip the cardiac muscle of potassium and be absolutely deadly. One company tried this and nearly killed a number of people. It’s really best to leave formulation and extraction to those who have dedicated there lives to it. This is one instance where knowledge and experience is very, very necessary. Proceed with caution.Hope some of this helps.Be WellLoretta

 

 

 

 

Dr. Lanphier,

If not too personal, congratulations on your success against cancer.

You make a good point regarding dosages. Often there is not much published information to go on as is the case with powdered zeolite. There is more available information regarding swelling clays and I was planning to guesstimate a rough equivalency between the two and use that as a guide. In general, I believe that it is best to plan for results accumulated over a long period rather than fast results in a short period, if possible. If taking larger amounts of a chelating substance, such as zeolite, it is also wise to take mineral supplements because the chelator is not overly selective. If anyone has knowledge of powdered zeolite dosage I would like to hear about it.

I had looked at ZeoMAX FA and was glad to see that its claims are reasonable and I liked the use of fulvic acid. One thing did jump out at me though, the comment: "Our manufacturer has succeeded in an advanced technology that allows bio-available fulvic acid to digest and absorb the zeolite molecule directly into the fulvic acid structure." What exactly is meant by the phrase "digest and absorb the zeolite molecule directly into the fulvic acid structure"? Is this implying that zeolite is reduced to molecules in the solution?

- Steve