aflatoxins

[Guest guest]

Thought you guys might find this interesting.

This got my attention not too long ago, because I began to get liver

pain when I ate Brazil nuts; then I switched to -organic- peanut

butter; got the pain; then I tried almond butter; less pain, but still

had the pain.

So, yesterday, after months of improvement, I tried -organic- peanut

butter again, and got the pain again.

I think my liver is hypersensative to a lot of things.

You want something tested for toxicity; you send it to me.

As many already know; grains are suspect also; because they can be

stored in silos, long term, and get mould.

A few weeks ago, I put some almonds -organic- raw, in a container,

with a sealed lid, and forgot about it for about a week;- grew mold.

 

http://www.ansci.cornell.edu/plants/toxicagents/aflatoxin/aflatoxin.html

[Guest guest]

I have been lurking on this group for a couple of weeks and am prompted to post

as a result of this topic.

 

In the mid 1970s I was a member of a pre-order food co-op in mid costal Maine.

Another member of our co-op was Marge Spock, sister of child rearing guru, Dr.

Benjamin Spock. Marge had an organic farm right on the coast and was a friend

also of Rachael Carson, who was inspired to write Silent Spring when Marge's

farm got contaminated by overspray from pest eradication program nearby. But I

digress…

 

Marge's chickens began dying and her goats got sick. Upon cutting open some of

the dead chickens it was discovered that their livers had liquified. Marge

contacted a friend at Cornell who asked for a sample chicken. He notified her

that the chicken had died of aflatoxin poisoning. This was alarming news as many

of us were eating the same organic grains that were being fed to the chickens

and goats.

 

Marge obtained a special blacklight that would cause aflatoxin to flouresce and

began to check the bags of grains, seeds and nuts we were getting from the

warehouses in Boston and Vermont. Much of what we were getting was contaminated.

We contacted the warehouses to tell them what was happening and were met with

skepticism. This was organic food, there couldn't be anything toxic in it. We

had to refer them to scientists to get them to believe there were such things as

organic toxins. Eventually the growers were contacted and storage areas were

retrofitted with dehumidifying equipment.

 

I later moved to Boston and had some interesting conversations with people at

MIT on aflatoxin. It is a huge problem in second and third world countries, in

humid areas particularly. Aflatoxin can develop in hours given the right

conditions. One researcher told me that in some areas few people live beyond the

age of 42 primarily due to aflatoxin induced liver cancer.

 

I also have been using the NCD and have done my share of poking around on the

internet looking for information on zeolite. I found that PubMed has a lot of

listings and that the powdered form is added to feed for livestock to capture

the aflatoxin naturally occurring in the feed while it is undergoing digestion.

It is also used in granular form to remove toxic metals from sewage sludge and

in dialysis equipment to remove urea.

 

My own experience with the NCD is that I had an increase in energy, get sick

less with shorter durations, and react much less to damp, overcast weather which

I am told is probably a mold allergy. I used to feel very depressed and tired

and achy like I was coming down with the flu.

 

My cat, however, has had a miraculous turn around. She's has had bronchial

asthma since she was three. When she was ten years old she became adverse to

moving around and less sure on her feet as if she might have arthritis or

something. She gained a lot of weight and had great difficulty jumping up on my

bed. She stopped going outdoors which she loved, and gave up walking around the

furniture to get to her favorite perch on the chest of drawers by the window.

Then, at 13 she began to throw up after meals. I had two friends who lost cats

to cancer from similar symptoms after spending huge amounts at the vet. I don't

have a budget that allows for big vet bills so was accepting that I would soon

loose my kitty.

 

When I started on the NCD I decided to put some in her water dish. In three days

she stopped throwing up. Then she wanted to go outside. I noticed a few days

later she was loosing weight. Then a couple weeks into the NCD she ran into my

bedroom and leaped upon the bed like a kitten. Later she realized she could now

walk around on the furniture and was so delighted that she had to walk back and

forth a lot to her favorite spot just to show me she could do it. This involves

a trip across my keyboard so it's annoying when I'm at the computer.

 

Money got tight and I stopped putting the drops in her water. She didn't gain

back the weight, but after a few months her asthma got worse and worse till she

was laying around just trying to breath. I had not noticed an improvement of the

asthma from the NCD before but I decided to try it again and in three days her

asthma was reduced and she was spunky again. She just jumped up and walked

across the keyboard as I was writing this.

 

My friend, Max, who has an addictive personality and tends to overdo things took

three bottle of NCD in one week. He woke up one morning and noticed that his

right hand, which was usually clenched tightly shut with neuropathy was open and

relaxed. Even though he then ran out of NCD and was without it for several

weeks, his hand remained normal and usable. Max also has pulmonary fibrosis, and

he noticed that had gotten better. When he ran out of NCD it got worse, so it is

definitely helping his breathing.

 

On another subject, that being blue green algae, I have been using spirulina for

around 30 years. Dr. Hiroshi Nakamura, Japan's expert on chlorella, along with

Dr. Christopher Hills discovered spirulina while searching for a better

alternative to chlorella, which is a single celled algae that requires special

processing to break its very hard cellulosic shell. Spirulina has a better

nutrient profile than chlorella and is a bit cheaper due to less processing

required. It has been heavily researched and has been used to feed malnourished

babies in third world countries because of it's ease of digestion and

assimilation. It also contains several known cancer fighting compounds.

 

Although heart disease has been a big killer on both sides of my family, I have

no cholesterol deposits in my arteries and no varicose veins, and the one I got

while pregnant with my daughter in 1970 went away after a couple of years on

spirulina.

 

My favorite variety is Spirulina Maxima which is grown in Chile in covered

ponds. It has such a high pigment level it is a very dark green verging on black

and it has a better flavor than the more common Pacifica variety. I make a

smoothie with it for breakfast every morning. You can get spirulia at iHerb but

I don't know the variety they carry. I tracked down the importer for the maxima

a few years ago and have put together a local buying club to get it cheaper.

http://www.elixline.com/ They also have articles.

 

On MMS, I noticed that someone had a reaction from putting it on the skin. I

also tried a transdermal application and realizing how volatile it was I

suspected that more of it evaporated than went into the skin. I tried using the

solution on a paper towel and then covered it with plastic. It worked real well

to get it into my skin but the end result was also a second degree chemical

burn. After freaking out briefly I realized I had another great experiment and

used a blend of essential oils mixed in organic almond oil to treat the burn

with very good results. It was very painful for a while though. Be very careful

putting this stuff on your skin. It is an oxidizer, after all and can do to your

tissues what it does to pathogens.

 

I really hate the taste of MMS but have had success with using my stomach as the

mixing bowl for the MMS and the citric acid. I take them separately and let the

reaction happen in my stomach. There is some burping but not as unpleasant as

tasting the mixture.

 

I am looking forward to trying the oleander soup. I have neighbors who are

organic who have a nice hedge in the back yard they said I could trim.

 

If you are wondering what my health challenges are, it is that I was born with a

fussy body that gets everything. I have allergies that can incapacitate me as my

brain shuts down and I become depressed and exhausted. Right now I seem to have

some virus that won't go away. It doesn't make me really sick but just mildly

debilitated.

 

I have been researching alternative options for about 35 years and am always

learning new and exciting things.

 

Ruth

[Guest guest]

Ruth,

 

A very interesting post. Lots to think about. Thanks for sending it.

 

Phil

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oleander soup , Ruth Harris <phoophh wrote:

>

> I have been lurking on this group for a couple of weeks and am

prompted to post as a result of this topic.

[Guest guest]

Ruth,Welcome to the group and thank you for this information.As to the virus that you cannot get rid of, have you heard of colloidal silver? The highest quality is from Utopia Silver . I would urge you to give it a try and I believe you will be pleasantly surprised. If you are a first time customer, call and for every bottle you order, you will get one free. Subsequent orders, type in code LR001 and you will get a 15% discount on all items not on sale.I know this sounds like a commercial, but I can trust Utopia Silver to be the best there is. It has done wonders for me.Hugs,oleander soup , Ruth Harris <phoophh wrote:>> I have been lurking on this group for a couple of weeks and am prompted to post as a result of this topic.> > In the mid 1970s I was a member of a pre-order food co-op in mid costal Maine. Another member of our co-op was Marge Spock, sister of child rearing guru, Dr. Benjamin Spock. Marge had an organic farm right on the coast and was a friend also of Rachael Carson, who was inspired to write Silent Spring when Marge's farm got contaminated by overspray from pest eradication program nearby. But I digress…> > Marge's chickens began dying and her goats got sick. Upon cutting open some of the dead chickens it was discovered that their livers had liquified. Marge contacted a friend at Cornell who asked for a sample chicken. He notified her that the chicken had died of aflatoxin poisoning. This was alarming news as many of us were eating the same organic grains that were being fed to the chickens and goats. > > Marge obtained a special blacklight that would cause aflatoxin to flouresce and began to check the bags of grains, seeds and nuts we were getting from the warehouses in Boston and Vermont. Much of what we were getting was contaminated. We contacted the warehouses to tell them what was happening and were met with skepticism. This was organic food, there couldn't be anything toxic in it. We had to refer them to scientists to get them to believe there were such things as organic toxins. Eventually the growers were contacted and storage areas were retrofitted with dehumidifying equipment. > > I later moved to Boston and had some interesting conversations with people at MIT on aflatoxin. It is a huge problem in second and third world countries, in humid areas particularly. Aflatoxin can develop in hours given the right conditions. One researcher told me that in some areas few people live beyond the age of 42 primarily due to aflatoxin induced liver cancer. > > I also have been using the NCD and have done my share of poking around on the internet looking for information on zeolite. I found that PubMed has a lot of listings and that the powdered form is added to feed for livestock to capture the aflatoxin naturally occurring in the feed while it is undergoing digestion. It is also used in granular form to remove toxic metals from sewage sludge and in dialysis equipment to remove urea. > > My own experience with the NCD is that I had an increase in energy, get sick less with shorter durations, and react much less to damp, overcast weather which I am told is probably a mold allergy. I used to feel very depressed and tired and achy like I was coming down with the flu.> > My cat, however, has had a miraculous turn around. She's has had bronchial asthma since she was three. When she was ten years old she became adverse to moving around and less sure on her feet as if she might have arthritis or something. She gained a lot of weight and had great difficulty jumping up on my bed. She stopped going outdoors which she loved, and gave up walking around the furniture to get to her favorite perch on the chest of drawers by the window. Then, at 13 she began to throw up after meals. I had two friends who lost cats to cancer from similar symptoms after spending huge amounts at the vet. I don't have a budget that allows for big vet bills so was accepting that I would soon loose my kitty. > > When I started on the NCD I decided to put some in her water dish. In three days she stopped throwing up. Then she wanted to go outside. I noticed a few days later she was loosing weight. Then a couple weeks into the NCD she ran into my bedroom and leaped upon the bed like a kitten. Later she realized she could now walk around on the furniture and was so delighted that she had to walk back and forth a lot to her favorite spot just to show me she could do it. This involves a trip across my keyboard so it's annoying when I'm at the computer. > > Money got tight and I stopped putting the drops in her water. She didn't gain back the weight, but after a few months her asthma got worse and worse till she was laying around just trying to breath. I had not noticed an improvement of the asthma from the NCD before but I decided to try it again and in three days her asthma was reduced and she was spunky again. She just jumped up and walked across the keyboard as I was writing this. > > My friend, Max, who has an addictive personality and tends to overdo things took three bottle of NCD in one week. He woke up one morning and noticed that his right hand, which was usually clenched tightly shut with neuropathy was open and relaxed. Even though he then ran out of NCD and was without it for several weeks, his hand remained normal and usable. Max also has pulmonary fibrosis, and he noticed that had gotten better. When he ran out of NCD it got worse, so it is definitely helping his breathing.> > On another subject, that being blue green algae, I have been using spirulina for around 30 years. Dr. Hiroshi Nakamura, Japan's expert on chlorella, along with Dr. Christopher Hills discovered spirulina while searching for a better alternative to chlorella, which is a single celled algae that requires special processing to break its very hard cellulosic shell. Spirulina has a better nutrient profile than chlorella and is a bit cheaper due to less processing required. It has been heavily researched and has been used to feed malnourished babies in third world countries because of it's ease of digestion and assimilation. It also contains several known cancer fighting compounds. > > Although heart disease has been a big killer on both sides of my family, I have no cholesterol deposits in my arteries and no varicose veins, and the one I got while pregnant with my daughter in 1970 went away after a couple of years on spirulina. > > My favorite variety is Spirulina Maxima which is grown in Chile in covered ponds. It has such a high pigment level it is a very dark green verging on black and it has a better flavor than the more common Pacifica variety. I make a smoothie with it for breakfast every morning. You can get spirulia at iHerb but I don't know the variety they carry. I tracked down the importer for the maxima a few years ago and have put together a local buying club to get it cheaper. http://www.elixline.com/ They also have articles. > > On MMS, I noticed that someone had a reaction from putting it on the skin. I also tried a transdermal application and realizing how volatile it was I suspected that more of it evaporated than went into the skin. I tried using the solution on a paper towel and then covered it with plastic. It worked real well to get it into my skin but the end result was also a second degree chemical burn. After freaking out briefly I realized I had another great experiment and used a blend of essential oils mixed in organic almond oil to treat the burn with very good results. It was very painful for a while though. Be very careful putting this stuff on your skin. It is an oxidizer, after all and can do to your tissues what it does to pathogens. > > I really hate the taste of MMS but have had success with using my stomach as the mixing bowl for the MMS and the citric acid. I take them separately and let the reaction happen in my stomach. There is some burping but not as unpleasant as tasting the mixture. > > I am looking forward to trying the oleander soup. I have neighbors who are organic who have a nice hedge in the back yard they said I could trim.> > If you are wondering what my health challenges are, it is that I was born with a fussy body that gets everything. I have allergies that can incapacitate me as my brain shuts down and I become depressed and exhausted. Right now I seem to have some virus that won't go away. It doesn't make me really sick but just mildly debilitated.> > I have been researching alternative options for about 35 years and am always learning new and exciting things.> > Ruth>

[Guest guest]

Bob,

 

I used the MMS as recommended in Jim Humble's book and got up to the 15 drops

but had to stop because it began to cause severe stomach pain, which I assumed

was caused by it attacking the stomach lining. That's why I wanted to try

putting it on the skin. I always made sure to have enough food in my stomach

after a couple of experiences with vomiting when not having enough food.

 

I have not had a change in my allergies and depression as a result of taking MMS

but I did knock out a cold in about 12 hours and my gums stopped bleeding. I've

noticed some other benefits but my allergies are stubborn.

 

I have read a lot of research and downloaded the Materials Safety Data Sheet for

chlorine dioxide. It is a commonly used industrial bleaching and sanitizing

agent and there have been some industrial accidents that have killed people. It

is not a harmless product if over exposed. The deaths resulted from people

breathing the concentrated fumes which caused a chemical burn of the lungs

resulting in them essentially drowning in their body's own fluids in response to

the burn. Having seen what it did to my skin I understand how that would happen.

 

The mixture of NaCLO2 and citric acid produces the ClO2 which is defined as a

gas. It begins to off gas at once which is why you are prompted to drink the

diluted solution soon after mixing. If you let it sit long enough the ClO2 will

have evaporated. Spreading it on the skin, most of it ends up in the air. Some

does get through the skin, but ingestion is probably the best way to get it all

inside of you.

 

The sodium chlorite, although highly alkaline, is actually less reactive than

the ClO2 itself which is highly reactive. Remember Humble started with using the

sodium chlorite and then came up with creating a more effective solution by

mixing it with an acid outside the body to form the chlorine dioxin, a process

that took place more slowly in the body when it relied on the acids produced by

the body to catalyze it. By taking the citric acid in a half glass of water and

then the NaClO2 in about a quarter glass of water afterward (or visa versa) I

avoid the very unpleasant bleachy taste and smell of the pre mixed product but

the result is the same and I don't have to wait three minutes for the reaction.

I do have bleachy burps, however as the reaction begins to produce the gas in my

stomach.

 

I did find a study on PubMed in which chlorine dioxide was fed to rats and found

to produce no lasting damage at the concentrations used.

 

Ruth

 

Posted by: " bbanever " bbanever californiabichonblue

Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:31 am (PDT)

Ruth,

 

If you used the MMS correctly I don't think you would have had any

problems. It must always be diluted with water or apple juice whether being

put on the skin or ingested and you should never ingest the 28% solution of

sodium chlorite before it is activated with a food acid to make chlorine

dioxide. What you are ingesting is highly caustic and alkaline... it is

toxic. Try taking the activated MMS (chlorine dioxide) in about 4 oz of

water or apple juice and I'd bet your depression and exhaustion would

disappear in short order. It should rid your body or any virus, bacteria,

parasite, and most fungus. Start out slowly with just two or three drops of

activated sodium chlorite in the water.

 

Good luck.

 

Bob

[Guest guest]

Ruth

This is an excellent bit of information.

Duke

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Sun, 9/21/08, Ruth Harris <phoophh wrote:

Ruth Harris <phoophh Re:aflatoxinsoleander soup Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 5:26 AM

 

 

I have been lurking on this group for a couple of weeks and am prompted to post as a result of this topic.In the mid 1970s I was a member of a pre-order food co-op in mid costal Maine. Another member of our co-op was Marge Spock, sister of child rearing guru, Dr. Benjamin Spock. Marge had an organic farm right on the coast and was a friend also of Rachael Carson, who was inspired to write Silent Spring when Marge's farm got contaminated by overspray from pest eradication program nearby. But I digress…Marge's chickens began dying and her goats got sick. Upon cutting open some of the dead chickens it was discovered that their livers had liquified. Marge contacted a friend at Cornell who asked for a sample chicken. He notified her that the chicken had died of aflatoxin poisoning. This was alarming news as many of us were eating the same organic grains that were being fed to the chickens and goats. Marge obtained a special

blacklight that would cause aflatoxin to flouresce and began to check the bags of grains, seeds and nuts we were getting from the warehouses in Boston and Vermont. Much of what we were getting was contaminated. We contacted the warehouses to tell them what was happening and were met with skepticism. This was organic food, there couldn't be anything toxic in it. We had to refer them to scientists to get them to believe there were such things as organic toxins. Eventually the growers were contacted and storage areas were retrofitted with dehumidifying equipment. I later moved to Boston and had some interesting conversations with people at MIT on aflatoxin. It is a huge problem in second and third world countries, in humid areas particularly. Aflatoxin can develop in hours given the right conditions. One researcher told me that in some areas few people live beyond the age of 42 primarily due to aflatoxin induced liver cancer. I also have

been using the NCD and have done my share of poking around on the internet looking for information on zeolite. I found that PubMed has a lot of listings and that the powdered form is added to feed for livestock to capture the aflatoxin naturally occurring in the feed while it is undergoing digestion. It is also used in granular form to remove toxic metals from sewage sludge and in dialysis equipment to remove urea. My own experience with the NCD is that I had an increase in energy, get sick less with shorter durations, and react much less to damp, overcast weather which I am told is probably a mold allergy. I used to feel very depressed and tired and achy like I was coming down with the flu.My cat, however, has had a miraculous turn around. She's has had bronchial asthma since she was three. When she was ten years old she became adverse to moving around and less sure on her feet as if she might have arthritis or something. She gained a

lot of weight and had great difficulty jumping up on my bed. She stopped going outdoors which she loved, and gave up walking around the furniture to get to her favorite perch on the chest of drawers by the window. Then, at 13 she began to throw up after meals. I had two friends who lost cats to cancer from similar symptoms after spending huge amounts at the vet. I don't have a budget that allows for big vet bills so was accepting that I would soon loose my kitty. When I started on the NCD I decided to put some in her water dish. In three days she stopped throwing up. Then she wanted to go outside. I noticed a few days later she was loosing weight. Then a couple weeks into the NCD she ran into my bedroom and leaped upon the bed like a kitten. Later she realized she could now walk around on the furniture and was so delighted that she had to walk back and forth a lot to her favorite spot just to show me she could do it. This involves a trip across

my keyboard so it's annoying when I'm at the computer. Money got tight and I stopped putting the drops in her water. She didn't gain back the weight, but after a few months her asthma got worse and worse till she was laying around just trying to breath. I had not noticed an improvement of the asthma from the NCD before but I decided to try it again and in three days her asthma was reduced and she was spunky again. She just jumped up and walked across the keyboard as I was writing this. My friend, Max, who has an addictive personality and tends to overdo things took three bottle of NCD in one week. He woke up one morning and noticed that his right hand, which was usually clenched tightly shut with neuropathy was open and relaxed. Even though he then ran out of NCD and was without it for several weeks, his hand remained normal and usable. Max also has pulmonary fibrosis, and he noticed that had gotten better. When he ran out of NCD it got

worse, so it is definitely helping his breathing.On another subject, that being blue green algae, I have been using spirulina for around 30 years. Dr. Hiroshi Nakamura, Japan's expert on chlorella, along with Dr. Christopher Hills discovered spirulina while searching for a better alternative to chlorella, which is a single celled algae that requires special processing to break its very hard cellulosic shell. Spirulina has a better nutrient profile than chlorella and is a bit cheaper due to less processing required. It has been heavily researched and has been used to feed malnourished babies in third world countries because of it's ease of digestion and assimilation. It also contains several known cancer fighting compounds. Although heart disease has been a big killer on both sides of my family, I have no cholesterol deposits in my arteries and no varicose veins, and the one I got while pregnant with my daughter in 1970 went away after a

couple of years on spirulina. My favorite variety is Spirulina Maxima which is grown in Chile in covered ponds. It has such a high pigment level it is a very dark green verging on black and it has a better flavor than the more common Pacifica variety. I make a smoothie with it for breakfast every morning. You can get spirulia at iHerb but I don't know the variety they carry. I tracked down the importer for the maxima a few years ago and have put together a local buying club to get it cheaper. http://www.elixline .com/ They also have articles. On MMS, I noticed that someone had a reaction from putting it on the skin. I also tried a transdermal application and realizing how volatile it was I suspected that more of it evaporated than went into the skin. I tried using the solution on a paper towel and then covered it with plastic. It worked real well to get it into my skin but

the end result was also a second degree chemical burn. After freaking out briefly I realized I had another great experiment and used a blend of essential oils mixed in organic almond oil to treat the burn with very good results. It was very painful for a while though. Be very careful putting this stuff on your skin. It is an oxidizer, after all and can do to your tissues what it does to pathogens. I really hate the taste of MMS but have had success with using my stomach as the mixing bowl for the MMS and the citric acid. I take them separately and let the reaction happen in my stomach. There is some burping but not as unpleasant as tasting the mixture. I am looking forward to trying the oleander soup. I have neighbors who are organic who have a nice hedge in the back yard they said I could trim.If you are wondering what my health challenges are, it is that I was born with a fussy body that gets everything. I have allergies that

can incapacitate me as my brain shuts down and I become depressed and exhausted. Right now I seem to have some virus that won't go away. It doesn't make me really sick but just mildly debilitated.I have been researching alternative options for about 35 years and am always learning new and exciting things.Ruth

[Guest guest]

There's no need to rush to the 15 drops, nor stay at 15 drops if it effects you negatively. A person can use just 3 or 4 drops, or 5 or 6, daily and still get the same effect. It just takes longer to kill everything, but it is much easier on the system to go slow.

 

Everyone wants to rush to the 15 drops twice a day because they have been ill for so long and they are looking at MMS as a cure. It can be a cure, but it can also be hurtful if not taken properly.

 

So take a rest from it, then start back on a much lower dose.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

----

 

 

I used the MMS as recommended in Jim Humble's book and got up to the 15 drops but had to stop because it began to cause severe stomach pain, which I assumed was caused by it attacking the stomach lining.

[Guest guest]

Hi Ruth. Great info here, thanks.

 

You may want to try the MMS straight (not activated) in a glass of water. It will react with the acid in your stomach, no need to take the acidifier separately. There were a few people on the MMS list that just put the straight-from-the-bottle drops of MMS in their water and sip it all day long. They found that their bodies got the same reaction (die-off) when they reached the same amount of straight drops in their water as they were taking with AMMS. Which means that it was actually working the same, only no bad taste or smell.

 

For your allergies, have you tried EFT , nettles tea, or NAET? All 3 work great, and probably together work even better.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

----

 

I have been lurking on this group for a couple of weeks and am prompted to post as a result of this topic.

 

 

[Guest guest]

I got some serious liver/gallbladder pain from using citric acid. I'll never use it again. I never have had a problem with lemon juice.--- On Sun, 9/21/08, Ruth Harris <phoophh wrote:

Ruth Harris <phoophhRe: Re:aflatoxinsoleander soup Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 3:37 PM

 

 

Bob,I used the MMS as recommended in Jim Humble's book and got up to the 15 drops but had to stop because it began to cause severe stomach pain, which I assumed was caused by it attacking the stomach lining. That's why I wanted to try putting it on the skin. I always made sure to have enough food in my stomach after a couple of experiences with vomiting when not having enough food. I have not had a change in my allergies and depression as a result of taking MMS but I did knock out a cold in about 12 hours and my gums stopped bleeding. I've noticed some other benefits but my allergies are stubborn. I have read a lot of research and downloaded the Materials Safety Data Sheet for chlorine dioxide. It is a commonly used industrial bleaching and sanitizing agent and there have been some industrial accidents that have killed people. It is not a harmless product if over exposed. The deaths resulted from people breathing the

concentrated fumes which caused a chemical burn of the lungs resulting in them essentially drowning in their body's own fluids in response to the burn. Having seen what it did to my skin I understand how that would happen. The mixture of NaCLO2 and citric acid produces the ClO2 which is defined as a gas. It begins to off gas at once which is why you are prompted to drink the diluted solution soon after mixing. If you let it sit long enough the ClO2 will have evaporated. Spreading it on the skin, most of it ends up in the air. Some does get through the skin, but ingestion is probably the best way to get it all inside of you. The sodium chlorite, although highly alkaline, is actually less reactive than the ClO2 itself which is highly reactive. Remember Humble started with using the sodium chlorite and then came up with creating a more effective solution by mixing it with an acid outside the body to form the chlorine dioxin, a process that

took place more slowly in the body when it relied on the acids produced by the body to catalyze it. By taking the citric acid in a half glass of water and then the NaClO2 in about a quarter glass of water afterward (or visa versa) I avoid the very unpleasant bleachy taste and smell of the pre mixed product but the result is the same and I don't have to wait three minutes for the reaction. I do have bleachy burps, however as the reaction begins to produce the gas in my stomach.I did find a study on PubMed in which chlorine dioxide was fed to rats and found to produce no lasting damage at the concentrations used.RuthPosted by: "bbanever" bbanever (AT) earthlink (DOT) net californiabichonblu eSun Sep 21, 2008 7:31 am (PDT)Ruth,If you used the MMS correctly I don't think you would have had anyproblems. It must always be diluted with water or apple

juice whether beingput on the skin or ingested and you should never ingest the 28% solution ofsodium chlorite before it is activated with a food acid to make chlorinedioxide. What you are ingesting is highly caustic and alkaline... it istoxic. Try taking the activated MMS (chlorine dioxide) in about 4 oz ofwater or apple juice and I'd bet your depression and exhaustion woulddisappear in short order. It should rid your body or any virus, bacteria,parasite, and most fungus. Start out slowly with just two or three drops ofactivated sodium chlorite in the water.Good luck.Bob

[Guest guest]

Ruth,

 

I seem to recall Jim Humble addressed both of these issues in his

book. When you reach a point (apparently 15 drops in your case) that

causes discomfort/nausea you should back off on the dosage temporarily

and then continue to increase to your target level. Actually 15 drops

is a pretty good dose, depending on what dis-ease you are working on.

 

Likewise putting it on the skin. Nothing wrong with that per se but

you've got to wash it off after one minute.

 

If you have Jim Humbles book (3rd edition) you may want to check it out.

 

Best regards,

 

Phil

-----------------------------

oleander soup , Ruth Harris <phoophh wrote:

>

> Bob,

>

> I used the MMS as recommended in Jim Humble's book and got up to the

15 drops but had to stop because it began to cause severe stomach

pain, which I assumed was caused by it attacking the stomach lining.

That's why I wanted to try putting it on the skin. I always made sure

to have enough food in my stomach after a couple of experiences with

vomiting when not having enough food.

[Guest guest]

Phil,

 

I believe Jim Humble said you don't have to wash off activated MMS

(chlorine dioxide), but you DO have to wash of sodium chlorite after 30

seconds or so.

 

Bob

-

" philzach " <phil

<oleander soup >

Sunday, September 21, 2008 6:06 PM

Re:aflatoxins

 

 

> Ruth,

>

> I seem to recall Jim Humble addressed both of these issues in his

> book. When you reach a point (apparently 15 drops in your case) that

> causes discomfort/nausea you should back off on the dosage temporarily

> and then continue to increase to your target level. Actually 15 drops

> is a pretty good dose, depending on what dis-ease you are working on.

>

> Likewise putting it on the skin. Nothing wrong with that per se but

> you've got to wash it off after one minute.

>

> If you have Jim Humbles book (3rd edition) you may want to check it out.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Phil

> -----------------------------

> oleander soup , Ruth Harris <phoophh wrote:

>>

>> Bob,

>>

>> I used the MMS as recommended in Jim Humble's book and got up to the

> 15 drops but had to stop because it began to cause severe stomach

> pain, which I assumed was caused by it attacking the stomach lining.

> That's why I wanted to try putting it on the skin. I always made sure

> to have enough food in my stomach after a couple of experiences with

> vomiting when not having enough food.

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

[Guest guest]

It depends on the person's skin sensitivity. It's good to watch it even if it's AMMS. There have been people who didn't wash AMMS off their skin and got rashes and itching.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

----

 

I believe Jim Humble said you don't have to wash off activated MMS

(chlorine dioxide), but you DO have to wash of sodium chlorite after 30

Seconds or so.

 

[Guest guest]

Citric acid use to be made of lemon juice. Now many places make it of GM corn. So you have to know what your citric is made from. Some people have that reaction to the corn citric.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

 

----

 

 

 

 

 

I got some serious liver/gallbladder pain from using citric acid. I'll never use it again. I never have had a problem with lemon juice.--- On Sun, 9/21/08, Ruth Harris <phoophh wrote:

Ruth Harris <phoophhRe: Re:aflatoxinsoleander soup Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 3:37 PM

 

 

Bob,I used the MMS as recommended in Jim Humble's book and got up to the 15 drops but had to stop because it began to cause severe stomach pain, which I assumed was caused by it attacking the stomach lining. That's why I wanted to try putting it on the skin. I always made sure to have enough food in my stomach after a couple of experiences with vomiting when not having enough food. I have not had a change in my allergies and depression as a result of taking MMS but I did knock out a cold in about 12 hours and my gums stopped bleeding. I've noticed some other benefits but my allergies are stubborn. I have read a lot of research and downloaded the Materials Safety Data Sheet for chlorine dioxide. It is a commonly used industrial bleaching and sanitizing agent and there have been some industrial accidents that have killed people. It is not a harmless product if over exposed. The deaths resulted from people breathing the concentrated fumes which caused a chemical burn of the lungs resulting in them essentially drowning in their body's own fluids in response to the burn. Having seen what it did to my skin I understand how that would happen. The mixture of NaCLO2 and citric acid produces the ClO2 which is defined as a gas. It begins to off gas at once which is why you are prompted to drink the diluted solution soon after mixing. If you let it sit long enough the ClO2 will have evaporated. Spreading it on the skin, most of it ends up in the air. Some does get through the skin, but ingestion is probably the best way to get it all inside of you. The sodium chlorite, although highly alkaline, is actually less reactive than the ClO2 itself which is highly reactive. Remember Humble started with using the sodium chlorite and then came up with creating a more effective solution by mixing it with an acid outside the body to form the chlorine dioxin, a process that took place more slowly in the body when it relied on the acids produced by the body to catalyze it. By taking the citric acid in a half glass of water and then the NaClO2 in about a quarter glass of water afterward (or visa versa) I avoid the very unpleasant bleachy taste and smell of the pre mixed product but the result is the same and I don't have to wait three minutes for the reaction. I do have bleachy burps, however as the reaction begins to produce the gas in my stomach.I did find a study on PubMed in which chlorine dioxide was fed to rats and found to produce no lasting damage at the concentrations used.RuthPosted by: "bbanever" bbanever (AT) earthlink (DOT) net californiabichonblu eSun Sep 21, 2008 7:31 am (PDT)Ruth,If you used the MMS correctly I don't think you would have had anyproblems. It must always be diluted with water or apple juice whether beingput on the skin or ingested and you should never ingest the 28% solution ofsodium chlorite before it is activated with a food acid to make chlorinedioxide. What you are ingesting is highly caustic and alkaline... it istoxic. Try taking the activated MMS (chlorine dioxide) in about 4 oz ofwater or apple juice and I'd bet your depression and exhaustion woulddisappear in short order. It should rid your body or any virus, bacteria,parasite, and most fungus. Start out slowly with just two or three drops ofactivated sodium chlorite in the water.Good luck.Bob

[Guest guest]

What is NCD?

 

Tammatha

 

-

Duke Stone

oleander soup

Sunday, September 21, 2008 12:42 PM

Re: Re:aflatoxins

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ruth

This is an excellent bit of information.

Duke

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Sun, 9/21/08, Ruth Harris <phoophh > wrote:

Ruth Harris <phoophh > Re:aflatoxinsoleander soup Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 5:26 AM

 

 

I have been lurking on this group for a couple of weeks and am prompted to post as a result of this topic.In the mid 1970s I was a member of a pre-order food co-op in mid costal Maine. Another member of our co-op was Marge Spock, sister of child rearing guru, Dr. Benjamin Spock. Marge had an organic farm right on the coast and was a friend also of Rachael Carson, who was inspired to write Silent Spring when Marge's farm got contaminated by overspray from pest eradication program nearby. But I digress…Marge's chickens began dying and her goats got sick. Upon cutting open some of the dead chickens it was discovered that their livers had liquified. Marge contacted a friend at Cornell who asked for a sample chicken. He notified her that the chicken had died of aflatoxin poisoning. This was alarming news as many of us were eating the same organic grains that were being fed to the chickens and goats. Marge obtained a special blacklight that would cause aflatoxin to flouresce and began to check the bags of grains, seeds and nuts we were getting from the warehouses in Boston and Vermont. Much of what we were getting was contaminated. We contacted the warehouses to tell them what was happening and were met with skepticism. This was organic food, there couldn't be anything toxic in it. We had to refer them to scientists to get them to believe there were such things as organic toxins. Eventually the growers were contacted and storage areas were retrofitted with dehumidifying equipment. I later moved to Boston and had some interesting conversations with people at MIT on aflatoxin. It is a huge problem in second and third world countries, in humid areas particularly. Aflatoxin can develop in hours given the right conditions. One researcher told me that in some areas few people live beyond the age of 42 primarily due to aflatoxin induced liver cancer. I also have been using the NCD and have done my share of poking around on the internet looking for information on zeolite. I found that PubMed has a lot of listings and that the powdered form is added to feed for livestock to capture the aflatoxin naturally occurring in the feed while it is undergoing digestion. It is also used in granular form to remove toxic metals from sewage sludge and in dialysis equipment to remove urea. My own experience with the NCD is that I had an increase in energy, get sick less with shorter durations, and react much less to damp, overcast weather which I am told is probably a mold allergy. I used to feel very depressed and tired and achy like I was coming down with the flu.My cat, however, has had a miraculous turn around. She's has had bronchial asthma since she was three. When she was ten years old she became adverse to moving around and less sure on her feet as if she might have arthritis or something. She gained a lot of weight and had great difficulty jumping up on my bed. She stopped going outdoors which she loved, and gave up walking around the furniture to get to her favorite perch on the chest of drawers by the window. Then, at 13 she began to throw up after meals. I had two friends who lost cats to cancer from similar symptoms after spending huge amounts at the vet. I don't have a budget that allows for big vet bills so was accepting that I would soon loose my kitty. When I started on the NCD I decided to put some in her water dish. In three days she stopped throwing up. Then she wanted to go outside. I noticed a few days later she was loosing weight. Then a couple weeks into the NCD she ran into my bedroom and leaped upon the bed like a kitten. Later she realized she could now walk around on the furniture and was so delighted that she had to walk back and forth a lot to her favorite spot just to show me she could do it. This involves a trip across my keyboard so it's annoying when I'm at the computer. Money got tight and I stopped putting the drops in her water. She didn't gain back the weight, but after a few months her asthma got worse and worse till she was laying around just trying to breath. I had not noticed an improvement of the asthma from the NCD before but I decided to try it again and in three days her asthma was reduced and she was spunky again. She just jumped up and walked across the keyboard as I was writing this. My friend, Max, who has an addictive personality and tends to overdo things took three bottle of NCD in one week. He woke up one morning and noticed that his right hand, which was usually clenched tightly shut with neuropathy was open and relaxed. Even though he then ran out of NCD and was without it for several weeks, his hand remained normal and usable. Max also has pulmonary fibrosis, and he noticed that had gotten better. When he ran out of NCD it got worse, so it is definitely helping his breathing.On another subject, that being blue green algae, I have been using spirulina for around 30 years. Dr. Hiroshi Nakamura, Japan's expert on chlorella, along with Dr. Christopher Hills discovered spirulina while searching for a better alternative to chlorella, which is a single celled algae that requires special processing to break its very hard cellulosic shell. Spirulina has a better nutrient profile than chlorella and is a bit cheaper due to less processing required. It has been heavily researched and has been used to feed malnourished babies in third world countries because of it's ease of digestion and assimilation. It also contains several known cancer fighting compounds. Although heart disease has been a big killer on both sides of my family, I have no cholesterol deposits in my arteries and no varicose veins, and the one I got while pregnant with my daughter in 1970 went away after a couple of years on spirulina. My favorite variety is Spirulina Maxima which is grown in Chile in covered ponds. It has such a high pigment level it is a very dark green verging on black and it has a better flavor than the more common Pacifica variety. I make a smoothie with it for breakfast every morning. You can get spirulia at iHerb but I don't know the variety they carry. I tracked down the importer for the maxima a few years ago and have put together a local buying club to get it cheaper. http://www.elixline .com/ They also have articles. On MMS, I noticed that someone had a reaction from putting it on the skin. I also tried a transdermal application and realizing how volatile it was I suspected that more of it evaporated than went into the skin. I tried using the solution on a paper towel and then covered it with plastic. It worked real well to get it into my skin but the end result was also a second degree chemical burn. After freaking out briefly I realized I had another great experiment and used a blend of essential oils mixed in organic almond oil to treat the burn with very good results. It was very painful for a while though. Be very careful putting this stuff on your skin. It is an oxidizer, after all and can do to your tissues what it does to pathogens. I really hate the taste of MMS but have had success with using my stomach as the mixing bowl for the MMS and the citric acid. I take them separately and let the reaction happen in my stomach. There is some burping but not as unpleasant as tasting the mixture. I am looking forward to trying the oleander soup. I have neighbors who are organic who have a nice hedge in the back yard they said I could trim.If you are wondering what my health challenges are, it is that I was born with a fussy body that gets everything. I have allergies that can incapacitate me as my brain shuts down and I become depressed and exhausted. Right now I seem to have some virus that won't go away. It doesn't make me really sick but just mildly debilitated.I have been researching alternative options for about 35 years and am always learning new and exciting things.Ruth

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

 

I have used CS, but it looks like the Utopia has a smaller particle

size that what I use so I will try it.

 

Ruth

 

oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129

wrote:

>

> Ruth,

>

> Welcome to the group and thank you for this information.

>

> As to the virus that you cannot get rid of, have you heard of colloidal

> silver? The highest quality is from Utopia Silver

> <http://www.utopiasilver.com/affiliates/jrox.php?id=77> . I would urge

> you to give it a try and I believe you will be pleasantly surprised. If

> you are a first time customer, call and for every bottle you order, you

> will get one free. Subsequent orders, type in code LR001 and you will

> get a 15% discount on all items not on sale.

>

> I know this sounds like a commercial, but I can trust Utopia Silver to

> be the best there is. It has done wonders for me.

>

> Hugs,

>

>

> oleander soup , Ruth Harris <phoophh@> wrote:

> >

> > I have been lurking on this group for a couple of weeks and am

> prompted to post as a result of this topic.

> >

> > In the mid 1970s I was a member of a pre-order food co-op in mid

> costal Maine. Another member of our co-op was Marge Spock, sister of

> child rearing guru, Dr. Benjamin Spock. Marge had an organic farm right

> on the coast and was a friend also of Rachael Carson, who was inspired

> to write Silent Spring when Marge's farm got contaminated by overspray

> from pest eradication program nearby. But I digress…

> >

> > Marge's chickens began dying and her goats got sick. Upon cutting open

> some of the dead chickens it was discovered that their livers had

> liquified. Marge contacted a friend at Cornell who asked for a sample

> chicken. He notified her that the chicken had died of aflatoxin

> poisoning. This was alarming news as many of us were eating the same

> organic grains that were being fed to the chickens and goats.

> >

> > Marge obtained a special blacklight that would cause aflatoxin to

> flouresce and began to check the bags of grains, seeds and nuts we were

> getting from the warehouses in Boston and Vermont. Much of what we were

> getting was contaminated. We contacted the warehouses to tell them what

> was happening and were met with skepticism. This was organic food, there

> couldn't be anything toxic in it. We had to refer them to scientists to

> get them to believe there were such things as organic toxins. Eventually

> the growers were contacted and storage areas were retrofitted with

> dehumidifying equipment.

> >

> > I later moved to Boston and had some interesting conversations with

> people at MIT on aflatoxin. It is a huge problem in second and third

> world countries, in humid areas particularly. Aflatoxin can develop in

> hours given the right conditions. One researcher told me that in some

> areas few people live beyond the age of 42 primarily due to aflatoxin

> induced liver cancer.

> >

> > I also have been using the NCD and have done my share of poking around

> on the internet looking for information on zeolite. I found that PubMed

> has a lot of listings and that the powdered form is added to feed for

> livestock to capture the aflatoxin naturally occurring in the feed while

> it is undergoing digestion. It is also used in granular form to remove

> toxic metals from sewage sludge and in dialysis equipment to remove

> urea.

> >

> > My own experience with the NCD is that I had an increase in energy,

> get sick less with shorter durations, and react much less to damp,

> overcast weather which I am told is probably a mold allergy. I used to

> feel very depressed and tired and achy like I was coming down with the

> flu.

> >

> > My cat, however, has had a miraculous turn around. She's has had

> bronchial asthma since she was three. When she was ten years old she

> became adverse to moving around and less sure on her feet as if she

> might have arthritis or something. She gained a lot of weight and had

> great difficulty jumping up on my bed. She stopped going outdoors which

> she loved, and gave up walking around the furniture to get to her

> favorite perch on the chest of drawers by the window. Then, at 13 she

> began to throw up after meals. I had two friends who lost cats to cancer

> from similar symptoms after spending huge amounts at the vet. I don't

> have a budget that allows for big vet bills so was accepting that I

> would soon loose my kitty.

> >

> > When I started on the NCD I decided to put some in her water dish. In

> three days she stopped throwing up. Then she wanted to go outside. I

> noticed a few days later she was loosing weight. Then a couple weeks

> into the NCD she ran into my bedroom and leaped upon the bed like a

> kitten. Later she realized she could now walk around on the furniture

> and was so delighted that she had to walk back and forth a lot to her

> favorite spot just to show me she could do it. This involves a trip

> across my keyboard so it's annoying when I'm at the computer.

> >

> > Money got tight and I stopped putting the drops in her water. She

> didn't gain back the weight, but after a few months her asthma got worse

> and worse till she was laying around just trying to breath. I had not

> noticed an improvement of the asthma from the NCD before but I decided

> to try it again and in three days her asthma was reduced and she was

> spunky again. She just jumped up and walked across the keyboard as I was

> writing this.

> >

> > My friend, Max, who has an addictive personality and tends to overdo

> things took three bottle of NCD in one week. He woke up one morning and

> noticed that his right hand, which was usually clenched tightly shut

> with neuropathy was open and relaxed. Even though he then ran out of NCD

> and was without it for several weeks, his hand remained normal and

> usable. Max also has pulmonary fibrosis, and he noticed that had gotten

> better. When he ran out of NCD it got worse, so it is definitely helping

> his breathing.

> >

> > On another subject, that being blue green algae, I have been using

> spirulina for around 30 years. Dr. Hiroshi Nakamura, Japan's expert on

> chlorella, along with Dr. Christopher Hills discovered spirulina while

> searching for a better alternative to chlorella, which is a single

> celled algae that requires special processing to break its very hard

> cellulosic shell. Spirulina has a better nutrient profile than chlorella

> and is a bit cheaper due to less processing required. It has been

> heavily researched and has been used to feed malnourished babies in

> third world countries because of it's ease of digestion and

> assimilation. It also contains several known cancer fighting compounds.

> >

> > Although heart disease has been a big killer on both sides of my

> family, I have no cholesterol deposits in my arteries and no varicose

> veins, and the one I got while pregnant with my daughter in 1970 went

> away after a couple of years on spirulina.

> >

> > My favorite variety is Spirulina Maxima which is grown in Chile in

> covered ponds. It has such a high pigment level it is a very dark green

> verging on black and it has a better flavor than the more common

> Pacifica variety. I make a smoothie with it for breakfast every morning.

> You can get spirulia at iHerb but I don't know the variety they carry. I

> tracked down the importer for the maxima a few years ago and have put

> together a local buying club to get it cheaper. http://www.elixline.com/

> They also have articles.

> >

> > On MMS, I noticed that someone had a reaction from putting it on the

> skin. I also tried a transdermal application and realizing how volatile

> it was I suspected that more of it evaporated than went into the skin. I

> tried using the solution on a paper towel and then covered it with

> plastic. It worked real well to get it into my skin but the end result

> was also a second degree chemical burn. After freaking out briefly I

> realized I had another great experiment and used a blend of essential

> oils mixed in organic almond oil to treat the burn with very good

> results. It was very painful for a while though. Be very careful putting

> this stuff on your skin. It is an oxidizer, after all and can do to your

> tissues what it does to pathogens.

> >

> > I really hate the taste of MMS but have had success with using my

> stomach as the mixing bowl for the MMS and the citric acid. I take them

> separately and let the reaction happen in my stomach. There is some

> burping but not as unpleasant as tasting the mixture.

> >

> > I am looking forward to trying the oleander soup. I have neighbors who

> are organic who have a nice hedge in the back yard they said I could

> trim.

> >

> > If you are wondering what my health challenges are, it is that I was

> born with a fussy body that gets everything. I have allergies that can

> incapacitate me as my brain shuts down and I become depressed and

> exhausted. Right now I seem to have some virus that won't go away. It

> doesn't make me really sick but just mildly debilitated.

> >

> > I have been researching alternative options for about 35 years and am

> always learning new and exciting things.

> >

> > Ruth

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Tammatha, NCD is Natural Cellular Defense, a liquid zeolite made by

Waiora, which is sold at a very high price by multi level marketing

groups.

 

Steve Norton was just posting his findings on zeolite on 9-18-08. Go

to message #8377 and read that and the thread of messages below that.

I wouldn't buy NCD for the inflated price, but that's just my

preference...my money-saving preference!

 

Molly :~)

 

oleander soup , " Tammatha " <tammatha wrote:

>

> What is NCD?

>

> Tammatha

[Guest guest]

I think I will try that. I might also just make some lemonade to

follow it, sweetened with stevia, of course.

 

 

oleander soup , " Gaiacita " <gaiacita wrote:

>

> Hi Ruth. Great info here, thanks.

>

> You may want to try the MMS straight (not activated) in a glass of

water.

> It will react with the acid in your stomach, no need to take the

acidifier

> separately. There were a few people on the MMS list that just put the

> straight-from-the-bottle drops of MMS in their water and sip it all

day long

> They found that their bodies got the same reaction (die-off) when they

> reached the same amount of straight drops in their water as they

were taking

> with AMMS. Which means that it was actually working the same, only

no bad

> taste or smell.

>

> For your allergies, have you tried EFT , nettles tea, or NAET? All

3 work

> great, and probably together work even better.

>

> Samala,

> Renee

>

> ----

>

> I have been lurking on this group for a couple of weeks and am

prompted to

> post as a result of this topic.

>

[Guest guest]

The only thing I have found that helps is Membrane Complex.

Unfortunately it also is very constipating and I have had a life long

problem with a sluggish bowel and constipation. I eat a very high

fiber diet and it is still a problem. But the Membrane Complex knocks

back the allergies to a manageable level.

 

Nettles do nothing. Neither does EFT or it's cousin Psych-K. I have a

friend who went through the whole NAET program with no improvement.

 

oleander soup , " Gaiacita " <gaiacita wrote:

>

>

> For your allergies, have you tried EFT , nettles tea, or NAET? All

3 work

> great, and probably together work even better.

>

> Samala,

> Renee

>

> ----

>

> I have been lurking on this group for a couple of weeks and am

prompted to

> post as a result of this topic.

>

[Guest guest]

Phil,

 

I had already come to the conclusion that more small doses were better

than fewer large ones. Keeping the blood levels up seems to be the goal.

 

I think Jim Humble's instructions for putting it on the skin were to

treat skin problems and not as a transdermal application to get it

into the body.

 

NaClO2 is a mineral salt that is caustic. Applied to the skin it would

start to eat away at the skin cells eventually.

 

ClO2 is a gas. Applied to the skin it will evaporate out of the

solution although some may penetrate the skin. If covered, like what I

did, it will penetrate the skin, and if not highly diluted it will

oxidize the skin, which is what happened to me.

 

I have Jim Humble's most recent ebook.

 

Ruth

 

oleander soup , " philzach " <phil wrote:

>

> Ruth,

>

> I seem to recall Jim Humble addressed both of these issues in his

> book. When you reach a point (apparently 15 drops in your case) that

> causes discomfort/nausea you should back off on the dosage temporarily

> and then continue to increase to your target level. Actually 15 drops

> is a pretty good dose, depending on what dis-ease you are working on.

>

> Likewise putting it on the skin. Nothing wrong with that per se but

> you've got to wash it off after one minute.

>

> If you have Jim Humbles book (3rd edition) you may want to check it out.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Phil

> -----------------------------

> oleander soup , Ruth Harris <phoophh@> wrote:

> >

> > Bob,

> >

> > I used the MMS as recommended in Jim Humble's book and got up to the

> 15 drops but had to stop because it began to cause severe stomach

> pain, which I assumed was caused by it attacking the stomach lining.

> That's why I wanted to try putting it on the skin. I always made sure

> to have enough food in my stomach after a couple of experiences with

> vomiting when not having enough food.

>

[Guest guest]

NCD is Natural Cellular Defense, the brand name for liquid zeolite

used by the Waoria company

 

 

oleander soup , " Tammatha " <tammatha wrote:

>

> What is NCD?

>

> Tammatha

>

[Guest guest]

Bob,

 

You could well be correct..... I'll try to look it up in his book soon to verify.

 

Phil

=====================================================

 

 

-

bbanever

oleander soup

Sunday, September 21, 2008 6:30 PM

Re: Re:aflatoxins

 

 

Phil,I believe Jim Humble said you don't have to wash off activated MMS (chlorine dioxide), but you DO have to wash of sodium chlorite after 30 seconds or so.Bob- "philzach" <phil (AT) philzachary (DOT) com><oleander soup >Sunday, September 21, 2008 6:06 PM Re:aflatoxins> Ruth,>> I seem to recall Jim Humble addressed both of these issues in his> book. When you reach a point (apparently 15 drops in your case) that> causes discomfort/nausea you should back off on the dosage temporarily> and then continue to increase to your target level. Actually 15 drops> is a pretty good dose, depending on what dis-ease you are working on.>> Likewise putting it on the skin. Nothing wrong with that per se but> you've got to wash it off after one minute.>> If you have Jim Humbles book (3rd edition) you may want to check it out.>> Best regards,>> Phil> -------------------------> oleander soup , Ruth Harris <phoophh wrote:>>>> Bob,>>>> I used the MMS as recommended in Jim Humble's book and got up to the> 15 drops but had to stop because it began to cause severe stomach> pain, which I assumed was caused by it attacking the stomach lining.> That's why I wanted to try putting it on the skin. I always made sure> to have enough food in my stomach after a couple of experiences with> vomiting when not having enough food.>>>> --->>

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Thanks Molly...for the explanation!

 

Tammatha

 

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Molly G

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Monday, September 22, 2008 8:09 AM

Re:aflatoxins

 

 

Tammatha, NCD is Natural Cellular Defense, a liquid zeolite made byWaiora, which is sold at a very high price by multi level marketinggroups.Steve Norton was just posting his findings on zeolite on 9-18-08. Goto message #8377 and read that and the thread of messages below that.I wouldn't buy NCD for the inflated price, but that's just mypreference...my money-saving preference!Molly :~) oleander soup , "Tammatha" <tammatha wrote:>> What is NCD?> > Tammatha

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Well, as I always say--nothing works for everyone. I know 2 people who say that NAET basically saved their lives as they had gotten down to being able to eat nothing but rice and yogurt. NAET gave them back the ability to eat everything again.

 

And I know people who have used nettles and gotten rid of all allergies, not just plant based but animal dander too.

 

Guess you are one of the unfortunates that have to keep looking at everything till you find what works for YOU.

 

What about C to bowel tolerance(allergies and constipation)? Local raw honey (but this only works for pollen allergies).

 

Samala,

Renee

 

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The only thing I have found that helps is Membrane Complex.

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I have some food allergies, but my pollen allergies are the big

problem. Very incapacitating as I feel as if I have been drugged and

my brain is foggy and my body weighs a ton. I also get a lot of

inflammation and feel achy all over. Sometimes my throat gets scratchy

and my eyes feel like they are full of fine sand. In Feb and Mar the

accacia will trigger off violent sneezing and nose running on top of

this.

 

I've tried the local honey thing. No results. Even bought the honey in

the comb which is supposed to be better. Tried local bee pollen even.

 

I take a couple grams of C every day, sometimes more.

 

The NAET works on emotions. So do EFT and Psych-K and neither of those

techniques do a thing for me and I have done a lot of them because

intellectually I understand how they work and why they should work,

but my body and brain don't seem to agree.

 

oleander soup , " Gaiacita " <gaiacita wrote:

>

> Well, as I always say--nothing works for everyone. I know 2 people

who say

> that NAET basically saved their lives as they had gotten down to

being able

> to eat nothing but rice and yogurt. NAET gave them back the ability

to eat

> everything again.

>

> And I know people who have used nettles and gotten rid of all

allergies, not

> just plant based but animal dander too.

>

> Guess you are one of the unfortunates that have to keep looking at

> everything till you find what works for YOU.

>

> What about C to bowel tolerance(allergies and constipation)? Local raw

> honey (but this only works for pollen allergies).

>

> Samala,

> Renee

>

> ----

>

> The only thing I have found that helps is Membrane Complex.

>

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Hi Ruth,

 

Have you tried Bragg's apple cider vinegar for your allergies?

 

Hugs,

 

 

oleander soup , " Ruth Harris " <phoophh wrote:

>

> I have some food allergies, but my pollen allergies are the big

> problem. Very incapacitating as I feel as if I have been drugged and

> my brain is foggy and my body weighs a ton. I also get a lot of

> inflammation and feel achy all over. Sometimes my throat gets scratchy

> and my eyes feel like they are full of fine sand. In Feb and Mar the

> accacia will trigger off violent sneezing and nose running on top of

> this.

>

> I've tried the local honey thing. No results. Even bought the honey in

> the comb which is supposed to be better. Tried local bee pollen even.

>

> I take a couple grams of C every day, sometimes more.

>

> The NAET works on emotions. So do EFT and Psych-K and neither of those

> techniques do a thing for me and I have done a lot of them because

> intellectually I understand how they work and why they should work,

> but my body and brain don't seem to agree.

>

>