Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Hi folks.... I'm new to this list, here because I have a dog with metastasized cancer. Jazzie is 143 pound female Leonberger, 10 years old. Her original cancer was an intestinal adenocarcinoma found during a spay in May, 2007 and removed. She has lung mets which were found in January 2008. The prognosis for dogs with lung mets is 3 to 4 months. We had her on neoplasene which is only for animals and induces apoptosis but she had some serious gastric side effects from it though it seemed to stop the progression of the tumors for 3 months. In April, we switched away from neoplasene and started on a combination of Artemisinin, Artemix, homeopathic nosodes and a human supplement called Avemar. The Avemar also induces apoptosis plus it prevents cancer cells from using glucose while assisting the body with detoxification. From the day she was started on Avemar, there was immediate improvement. Other people have contacted me and also are using Avemar with their dogs and getting good results. I ordered the Oleander from South Africa and now have it in the wings if Jazzie begins to lose ground. I'm posting here because I wanted to share with all of you the information on Avemar. I do not sell it nor make money on it--I make it into capsules for Jazzie and give it to her once a day with frozen yogurt. People can simply put it into water and drink it which is how it is supposed to be used but dogs are not into orange flavored anything! I know there are more human patients on this list than dogs and I wanted to share the information on Avemar for those who do not know about it. It is available at www.iherb.com and many other places on the Internet--Google Avemar and learn more. It is NOT a replacement for Oleander, chemo or radiation--it is an adjunct therapy. It helps in cases with drug resistant cancers as well as those that are easily treated with drugs. I would imagine it would enhance the oleander but I'm very afraid to chnage the program on Jazzie since she's doing okay. I have dealt with lysing with her a few weeks ago and found the article here to be of great help. Barbara and Jazzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Barbara, Thanks for the info on Jazzie. Being a dog owner, I'll keep this info on hand. I see no reason why you couldn't use oleander along with the Avemar. The original studies on oleander were done on dogs, so we know it works in them. Bob - " Barbara Bouyet " <bouyet <oleander soup > Monday, September 08, 2008 5:49 PM Jazzie > Hi folks.... > > I'm new to this list, here because I have a dog with metastasized > cancer. Jazzie is 143 pound female Leonberger, 10 years old. Her > original cancer was an intestinal adenocarcinoma found during a spay > in May, 2007 and removed. She has lung mets which were found in > January 2008. The prognosis for dogs with lung mets is 3 to 4 months. > We had her on neoplasene which is only for animals and induces > apoptosis but she had some serious gastric side effects from it though > it seemed to stop the progression of the tumors for 3 months. In > April, we switched away from neoplasene and started on a combination > of Artemisinin, Artemix, homeopathic nosodes and a human supplement > called Avemar. The Avemar also induces apoptosis plus it prevents > cancer cells from using glucose while assisting the body with > detoxification. > > From the day she was started on Avemar, there was immediate > improvement. Other people have contacted me and also are using Avemar > with their dogs and getting good results. > > I ordered the Oleander from South Africa and now have it in the wings > if Jazzie begins to lose ground. I'm posting here because I wanted to > share with all of you the information on Avemar. I do not sell it nor > make money on it--I make it into capsules for Jazzie and give it to > her once a day with frozen yogurt. People can simply put it into > water and drink it which is how it is supposed to be used but dogs are > not into orange flavored anything! > > I know there are more human patients on this list than dogs and I > wanted to share the information on Avemar for those who do not know > about it. It is available at www.iherb.com and many other places on > the Internet--Google Avemar and learn more. > > It is NOT a replacement for Oleander, chemo or radiation--it is an > adjunct therapy. It helps in cases with drug resistant cancers as > well as those that are easily treated with drugs. I would imagine it > would enhance the oleander but I'm very afraid to chnage the program > on Jazzie since she's doing okay. > > I have dealt with lysing with her a few weeks ago and found the > article here to be of great help. > > Barbara and Jazzie > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Hi Barbara, Welcome to the group and thank you for telling us about Jazzie. I would definitely take the oleander " out of the wings " and use it as all it can do is enhance Jazzie's healing. As a side note, chemo and radiation should never be used, not for humans and not for our furkids. All it does is destroy the body and seriously compromise the immune system. Please keep us posted as to Jazzie's progress and we look forward to getting to know you better. Hugs, oleander soup , " Barbara Bouyet " <bouyet wrote: > > Hi folks.... > > I'm new to this list, here because I have a dog with metastasized > cancer. Jazzie is 143 pound female Leonberger, 10 years old. Her > original cancer was an intestinal adenocarcinoma found during a spay > in May, 2007 and removed. She has lung mets which were found in > January 2008. The prognosis for dogs with lung mets is 3 to 4 months. > We had her on neoplasene which is only for animals and induces > apoptosis but she had some serious gastric side effects from it though > it seemed to stop the progression of the tumors for 3 months. In > April, we switched away from neoplasene and started on a combination > of Artemisinin, Artemix, homeopathic nosodes and a human supplement > called Avemar. The Avemar also induces apoptosis plus it prevents > cancer cells from using glucose while assisting the body with > detoxification. > > From the day she was started on Avemar, there was immediate > improvement. Other people have contacted me and also are using Avemar > with their dogs and getting good results. > > I ordered the Oleander from South Africa and now have it in the wings > if Jazzie begins to lose ground. I'm posting here because I wanted to > share with all of you the information on Avemar. I do not sell it nor > make money on it--I make it into capsules for Jazzie and give it to > her once a day with frozen yogurt. People can simply put it into > water and drink it which is how it is supposed to be used but dogs are > not into orange flavored anything! > > I know there are more human patients on this list than dogs and I > wanted to share the information on Avemar for those who do not know > about it. It is available at www.iherb.com and many other places on > the Internet--Google Avemar and learn more. > > It is NOT a replacement for Oleander, chemo or radiation--it is an > adjunct therapy. It helps in cases with drug resistant cancers as > well as those that are easily treated with drugs. I would imagine it > would enhance the oleander but I'm very afraid to chnage the program > on Jazzie since she's doing okay. > > I have dealt with lysing with her a few weeks ago and found the > article here to be of great help. > > Barbara and Jazzie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Bob.... Thanks for your input. Is there a common side effect in dogs that I should know about? Without subjecting her to x-rays again--we have done that 3 times and it is so stressful for a giant breed since it takes 3 people to lift her onto a table--I can judge the cancer only by her behavior. I would feel so much better if I were giving her the oleander but I have anxiety about causing gastric problems. Any information is welcome. Barbara In oleander soup , " bbanever " <bbanever wrote: > > Barbara, > > Thanks for the info on Jazzie. Being a dog owner, I'll keep this info > on hand. I see no reason why you couldn't use oleander along with the > Avemar. The original studies on oleander were done on dogs, so we know it > works in them. > > Bob > - > " Barbara Bouyet " <bouyet > <oleander soup > > Monday, September 08, 2008 5:49 PM > Jazzie > > > > Hi folks.... > > > > I'm new to this list, here because I have a dog with metastasized > > cancer. Jazzie is 143 pound female Leonberger, 10 years old. Her > > original cancer was an intestinal adenocarcinoma found during a spay > > in May, 2007 and removed. She has lung mets which were found in > > January 2008. The prognosis for dogs with lung mets is 3 to 4 months. > > We had her on neoplasene which is only for animals and induces > > apoptosis but she had some serious gastric side effects from it though > > it seemed to stop the progression of the tumors for 3 months. In > > April, we switched away from neoplasene and started on a combination > > of Artemisinin, Artemix, homeopathic nosodes and a human supplement > > called Avemar. The Avemar also induces apoptosis plus it prevents > > cancer cells from using glucose while assisting the body with > > detoxification. > > > > From the day she was started on Avemar, there was immediate > > improvement. Other people have contacted me and also are using Avemar > > with their dogs and getting good results. > > > > I ordered the Oleander from South Africa and now have it in the wings > > if Jazzie begins to lose ground. I'm posting here because I wanted to > > share with all of you the information on Avemar. I do not sell it nor > > make money on it--I make it into capsules for Jazzie and give it to > > her once a day with frozen yogurt. People can simply put it into > > water and drink it which is how it is supposed to be used but dogs are > > not into orange flavored anything! > > > > I know there are more human patients on this list than dogs and I > > wanted to share the information on Avemar for those who do not know > > about it. It is available at www.iherb.com and many other places on > > the Internet--Google Avemar and learn more. > > > > It is NOT a replacement for Oleander, chemo or radiation--it is an > > adjunct therapy. It helps in cases with drug resistant cancers as > > well as those that are easily treated with drugs. I would imagine it > > would enhance the oleander but I'm very afraid to chnage the program > > on Jazzie since she's doing okay. > > > > I have dealt with lysing with her a few weeks ago and found the > > article here to be of great help. > > > > Barbara and Jazzie > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Hi .... Thank you--I think I will start her on the oleander next week. I have been using the Arte in a pulsing method meaning two weeks on and 5 days off to prevent a breakdown in their absorption rate. If I start her on oleander on her 5 days off, I can see immediately if she has a problem. If she's good with that then I'll keep her on all of them. I never stop the use of Avemar. By the way, there is a lot of research available online that discusses the success of Avemar used with other treatments. When she was diagnosed, the oncologist wanted to do chemo but the drug he wanted to use would have destroyed her bone marrow so we opted not to. I so believe in all natural. Barbara In oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129 wrote: > > Hi Barbara, > > Welcome to the group and thank you for telling us about Jazzie. > > I would definitely take the oleander " out of the wings " and use it as > all it can do is enhance Jazzie's healing. > > As a side note, chemo and radiation should never be used, not for humans > and not for our furkids. All it does is destroy the body and seriously > compromise the immune system. > > Please keep us posted as to Jazzie's progress and we look forward to > getting to know you better. > > Hugs, > > > > oleander soup , " Barbara Bouyet " <bouyet@> > wrote: > > > > Hi folks.... > > > > I'm new to this list, here because I have a dog with metastasized > > cancer. Jazzie is 143 pound female Leonberger, 10 years old. Her > > original cancer was an intestinal adenocarcinoma found during a spay > > in May, 2007 and removed. She has lung mets which were found in > > January 2008. The prognosis for dogs with lung mets is 3 to 4 months. > > We had her on neoplasene which is only for animals and induces > > apoptosis but she had some serious gastric side effects from it though > > it seemed to stop the progression of the tumors for 3 months. In > > April, we switched away from neoplasene and started on a combination > > of Artemisinin, Artemix, homeopathic nosodes and a human supplement > > called Avemar. The Avemar also induces apoptosis plus it prevents > > cancer cells from using glucose while assisting the body with > > detoxification. > > > > From the day she was started on Avemar, there was immediate > > improvement. Other people have contacted me and also are using Avemar > > with their dogs and getting good results. > > > > I ordered the Oleander from South Africa and now have it in the wings > > if Jazzie begins to lose ground. I'm posting here because I wanted to > > share with all of you the information on Avemar. I do not sell it nor > > make money on it--I make it into capsules for Jazzie and give it to > > her once a day with frozen yogurt. People can simply put it into > > water and drink it which is how it is supposed to be used but dogs are > > not into orange flavored anything! > > > > I know there are more human patients on this list than dogs and I > > wanted to share the information on Avemar for those who do not know > > about it. It is available at www.iherb.com and many other places on > > the Internet--Google Avemar and learn more. > > > > It is NOT a replacement for Oleander, chemo or radiation--it is an > > adjunct therapy. It helps in cases with drug resistant cancers as > > well as those that are easily treated with drugs. I would imagine it > > would enhance the oleander but I'm very afraid to chnage the program > > on Jazzie since she's doing okay. > > > > I have dealt with lysing with her a few weeks ago and found the > > article here to be of great help. > > > > Barbara and Jazzie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Thank you Barbara for your information. Start Jazzy on the smallest dosage of oleander and then work your way up. Also.... Did I mention colloidal silver? This is a powerful healing agent for all animals. Thank goodness you did not do chemo. All types of chemo destroy the body. Hugs, oleander soup , " Barbara Bouyet " <bouyet wrote: > > Hi .... > > Thank you--I think I will start her on the oleander next week. I have > been using the Arte in a pulsing method meaning two weeks on and 5 > days off to prevent a breakdown in their absorption rate. If I start > her on oleander on her 5 days off, I can see immediately if she has a > problem. If she's good with that then I'll keep her on all of them. > I never stop the use of Avemar. By the way, there is a lot of > research available online that discusses the success of Avemar used > with other treatments. > > When she was diagnosed, the oncologist wanted to do chemo but the drug > he wanted to use would have destroyed her bone marrow so we opted not > to. I so believe in all natural. > > Barbara > > In oleander soup , " May " luellamay129@ wrote: > > > > Hi Barbara, > > > > Welcome to the group and thank you for telling us about Jazzie. > > > > I would definitely take the oleander " out of the wings " and use it as > > all it can do is enhance Jazzie's healing. > > > > As a side note, chemo and radiation should never be used, not for humans > > and not for our furkids. All it does is destroy the body and seriously > > compromise the immune system. > > > > Please keep us posted as to Jazzie's progress and we look forward to > > getting to know you better. > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " Barbara Bouyet " <bouyet@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi folks.... > > > > > > I'm new to this list, here because I have a dog with metastasized > > > cancer. Jazzie is 143 pound female Leonberger, 10 years old. Her > > > original cancer was an intestinal adenocarcinoma found during a spay > > > in May, 2007 and removed. She has lung mets which were found in > > > January 2008. The prognosis for dogs with lung mets is 3 to 4 months. > > > We had her on neoplasene which is only for animals and induces > > > apoptosis but she had some serious gastric side effects from it though > > > it seemed to stop the progression of the tumors for 3 months. In > > > April, we switched away from neoplasene and started on a combination > > > of Artemisinin, Artemix, homeopathic nosodes and a human supplement > > > called Avemar. The Avemar also induces apoptosis plus it prevents > > > cancer cells from using glucose while assisting the body with > > > detoxification. > > > > > > From the day she was started on Avemar, there was immediate > > > improvement. Other people have contacted me and also are using Avemar > > > with their dogs and getting good results. > > > > > > I ordered the Oleander from South Africa and now have it in the wings > > > if Jazzie begins to lose ground. I'm posting here because I wanted to > > > share with all of you the information on Avemar. I do not sell it nor > > > make money on it--I make it into capsules for Jazzie and give it to > > > her once a day with frozen yogurt. People can simply put it into > > > water and drink it which is how it is supposed to be used but dogs are > > > not into orange flavored anything! > > > > > > I know there are more human patients on this list than dogs and I > > > wanted to share the information on Avemar for those who do not know > > > about it. It is available at www.iherb.com and many other places on > > > the Internet--Google Avemar and learn more. > > > > > > It is NOT a replacement for Oleander, chemo or radiation--it is an > > > adjunct therapy. It helps in cases with drug resistant cancers as > > > well as those that are easily treated with drugs. I would imagine it > > > would enhance the oleander but I'm very afraid to chnage the program > > > on Jazzie since she's doing okay. > > > > > > I have dealt with lysing with her a few weeks ago and found the > > > article here to be of great help. > > > > > > Barbara and Jazzie > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Hi : I wold like to make the oleander soup and take it. I live in Canada. Does anyone know where I can buy the plant in Canada so as to make the soup. Anyone know of a good soucrce in Canada. Canadian customs do not allow some plants across the border from the US. Thanks. - May oleander soup Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:56 PM Re: Jazzie Thank you Barbara for your information.Start Jazzy on the smallest dosage of oleander and then work your wayup. Also.... Did I mention colloidal silver? This is a powerfulhealing agent for all animals.Thank goodness you did not do chemo. All types of chemo destroy thebody.Hugs,oleander soup , "Barbara Bouyet" <bouyetwrote:>> Hi ....>> Thank you--I think I will start her on the oleander next week. I have> been using the Arte in a pulsing method meaning two weeks on and 5> days off to prevent a breakdown in their absorption rate. If I start> her on oleander on her 5 days off, I can see immediately if she has a> problem. If she's good with that then I'll keep her on all of them.> I never stop the use of Avemar. By the way, there is a lot of> research available online that discusses the success of Avemar used> with other treatments.>> When she was diagnosed, the oncologist wanted to do chemo but the drug> he wanted to use would have destroyed her bone marrow so we opted not> to. I so believe in all natural.>> Barbara>> In oleander soup , " May" luellamay129@ wrote:> >> > Hi Barbara,> >> > Welcome to the group and thank you for telling us about Jazzie.> >> > I would definitely take the oleander "out of the wings" and use itas> > all it can do is enhance Jazzie's healing.> >> > As a side note, chemo and radiation should never be used, not forhumans> > and not for our furkids. All it does is destroy the body andseriously> > compromise the immune system.> >> > Please keep us posted as to Jazzie's progress and we look forward to> > getting to know you better.> >> > Hugs,> > > >> >> > oleander soup , "Barbara Bouyet" <bouyet@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Hi folks....> > >> > > I'm new to this list, here because I have a dog with metastasized> > > cancer. Jazzie is 143 pound female Leonberger, 10 years old. Her> > > original cancer was an intestinal adenocarcinoma found during aspay> > > in May, 2007 and removed. She has lung mets which were found in> > > January 2008. The prognosis for dogs with lung mets is 3 to 4months.> > > We had her on neoplasene which is only for animals and induces> > > apoptosis but she had some serious gastric side effects from itthough> > > it seemed to stop the progression of the tumors for 3 months. In> > > April, we switched away from neoplasene and started on acombination> > > of Artemisinin, Artemix, homeopathic nosodes and a humansupplement> > > called Avemar. The Avemar also induces apoptosis plus it prevents> > > cancer cells from using glucose while assisting the body with> > > detoxification.> > >> > > From the day she was started on Avemar, there was immediate> > > improvement. Other people have contacted me and also are usingAvemar> > > with their dogs and getting good results.> > >> > > I ordered the Oleander from South Africa and now have it in thewings> > > if Jazzie begins to lose ground. I'm posting here because Iwanted to> > > share with all of you the information on Avemar. I do not sell itnor> > > make money on it--I make it into capsules for Jazzie and give itto> > > her once a day with frozen yogurt. People can simply put it into> > > water and drink it which is how it is supposed to be used but dogsare> > > not into orange flavored anything!> > >> > > I know there are more human patients on this list than dogs and I> > > wanted to share the information on Avemar for those who do notknow> > > about it. It is available at www.iherb.com and many other placeson> > > the Internet--Google Avemar and learn more.> > >> > > It is NOT a replacement for Oleander, chemo or radiation--it is an> > > adjunct therapy. It helps in cases with drug resistant cancers as> > > well as those that are easily treated with drugs. I would imagineit> > > would enhance the oleander but I'm very afraid to chnage theprogram> > > on Jazzie since she's doing okay.> > >> > > I have dealt with lysing with her a few weeks ago and found the> > > article here to be of great help.> > >> > > Barbara and Jazzie> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Oh my. I think we have tackled this topic before and I'm not sure it was resolved. Well, let's see. Try looking online for an organic nursery. Please let me know how you come out. Warm regards, oleander soup , Ches Farwell <cfarwell wrote: > > Hi : > I wold like to make the oleander soup and take it. I live in Canada. Does anyone know where I can buy the plant in Canada so as to make the soup. Anyone know of a good soucrce in Canada. Canadian customs do not allow some plants across the border from the US. > Thanks. > > > > > - > May > oleander soup > Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:56 PM > Re: Jazzie > > > Thank you Barbara for your information. > > Start Jazzy on the smallest dosage of oleander and then work your way > up. Also.... Did I mention colloidal silver? This is a powerful > healing agent for all animals. > > Thank goodness you did not do chemo. All types of chemo destroy the > body. > > Hugs, > > > oleander soup , " Barbara Bouyet " bouyet@ > wrote: > > > > Hi .... > > > > Thank you--I think I will start her on the oleander next week. I have > > been using the Arte in a pulsing method meaning two weeks on and 5 > > days off to prevent a breakdown in their absorption rate. If I start > > her on oleander on her 5 days off, I can see immediately if she has a > > problem. If she's good with that then I'll keep her on all of them. > > I never stop the use of Avemar. By the way, there is a lot of > > research available online that discusses the success of Avemar used > > with other treatments. > > > > When she was diagnosed, the oncologist wanted to do chemo but the drug > > he wanted to use would have destroyed her bone marrow so we opted not > > to. I so believe in all natural. > > > > Barbara > > > > In oleander soup , " May " luellamay129@ wrote: > > > > > > Hi Barbara, > > > > > > Welcome to the group and thank you for telling us about Jazzie. > > > > > > I would definitely take the oleander " out of the wings " and use it > as > > > all it can do is enhance Jazzie's healing. > > > > > > As a side note, chemo and radiation should never be used, not for > humans > > > and not for our furkids. All it does is destroy the body and > seriously > > > compromise the immune system. > > > > > > Please keep us posted as to Jazzie's progress and we look forward to > > > getting to know you better. > > > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " Barbara Bouyet " <bouyet@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi folks.... > > > > > > > > I'm new to this list, here because I have a dog with metastasized > > > > cancer. Jazzie is 143 pound female Leonberger, 10 years old. Her > > > > original cancer was an intestinal adenocarcinoma found during a > spay > > > > in May, 2007 and removed. She has lung mets which were found in > > > > January 2008. The prognosis for dogs with lung mets is 3 to 4 > months. > > > > We had her on neoplasene which is only for animals and induces > > > > apoptosis but she had some serious gastric side effects from it > though > > > > it seemed to stop the progression of the tumors for 3 months. In > > > > April, we switched away from neoplasene and started on a > combination > > > > of Artemisinin, Artemix, homeopathic nosodes and a human > supplement > > > > called Avemar. The Avemar also induces apoptosis plus it prevents > > > > cancer cells from using glucose while assisting the body with > > > > detoxification. > > > > > > > > From the day she was started on Avemar, there was immediate > > > > improvement. Other people have contacted me and also are using > Avemar > > > > with their dogs and getting good results. > > > > > > > > I ordered the Oleander from South Africa and now have it in the > wings > > > > if Jazzie begins to lose ground. I'm posting here because I > wanted to > > > > share with all of you the information on Avemar. I do not sell it > nor > > > > make money on it--I make it into capsules for Jazzie and give it > to > > > > her once a day with frozen yogurt. People can simply put it into > > > > water and drink it which is how it is supposed to be used but dogs > are > > > > not into orange flavored anything! > > > > > > > > I know there are more human patients on this list than dogs and I > > > > wanted to share the information on Avemar for those who do not > know > > > > about it. It is available at www.iherb.com and many other places > on > > > > the Internet--Google Avemar and learn more. > > > > > > > > It is NOT a replacement for Oleander, chemo or radiation--it is an > > > > adjunct therapy. It helps in cases with drug resistant cancers as > > > > well as those that are easily treated with drugs. I would imagine > it > > > > would enhance the oleander but I'm very afraid to chnage the > program > > > > on Jazzie since she's doing okay. > > > > > > > > I have dealt with lysing with her a few weeks ago and found the > > > > article here to be of great help. > > > > > > > > Barbara and Jazzie > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 , With the exception of IPT, I believe. Phil ----------------------------- > Thank goodness you did not do chemo. All types of chemo destroy the > body. > > Hugs, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Gemma has been taking OPC for a few days now with no side effects and I started with a small amount. Our major problem is trying to get her to take it. I can usually open a capsule and mix it in her food but she definitely smells and tastes it and refuses it. What worked today was opening the capsule, stuffing the open halves with bread (she gets 1/2 capsule twice a day), and sticking it into a meatball of raw ground chicken. Luckily the capsule didn't dissolve right away because it took some effort to get her to eat it. I fooled her once but I think she's onto me. She doesn't trust any food now, even when it has nothing in it.----BTW, her tumor lump, which had noticeably grown within a few days, has changed again. It seems flatter and possibly a bit smaller. I'm sure there's more tumor internally that I can't feel, but this is all I can actually see and feel. Looking forward to the new pet's list.-Nancy and Gemma (something's fishy!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Barbara - I have Gus up to 3 capsules/5ml doses per day. Neither he nor Pilgrim has shown any sign of gastric distress, and as I mentioned yesterday, what I thought was a reaction to oleander was more likely the too rapid heartbeat. No soft stools, either. They both still have nosedrips, though, which is good. I restarted them on artemisinin last night, also, and so far, so good. Shannon, Gus & Pilgrim (the Battling Berners)--- On Tue, 9/9/08, Barbara Bouyet <bouyet wrote: Barbara Bouyet <bouyet Re: Jazzieoleander soup Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 11:29 PM Bob....Thanks for your input. Is there a common side effect in dogs that Ishould know about? Without subjecting her to x-rays again--we havedone that 3 times and it is so stressful for a giant breed since ittakes 3 people to lift her onto a table--I can judge the cancer onlyby her behavior. I would feel so much better if I were giving her theoleander but I have anxiety about causing gastric problems. Anyinformation is welcome.BarbaraIn oleander soup, "bbanever" <bbanever@.. .> wrote:>> Barbara,> > Thanks for the info on Jazzie. Being a dog owner, I'll keepthis info > on hand. I see no reason why you couldn't use oleander along with the > Avemar. The original studies on oleander were done on dogs, so weknow it > works in them.> > Bob> - > "Barbara Bouyet" <bouyet> <oleander soup>> Monday, September 08, 2008 5:49 PM> Jazzie> > > > Hi folks....> >> > I'm new to this list, here because I have a dog with metastasized> > cancer. Jazzie is 143 pound female Leonberger, 10 years old. Her> > original cancer was an intestinal adenocarcinoma found during a spay> > in May, 2007 and removed. She has lung mets which were found in> > January 2008. The prognosis for dogs with lung mets is 3 to 4 months.> > We had her on neoplasene which is only for animals and induces> > apoptosis but she had some serious gastric side effects from it though> > it seemed to stop the progression of the tumors for 3 months. In> > April, we switched away from neoplasene and started on a combination> > of Artemisinin, Artemix, homeopathic nosodes and a human supplement> > called Avemar. The Avemar also induces apoptosis plus it prevents> > cancer cells from using glucose while assisting the body with> > detoxification.> >> > From the day she was started on Avemar, there was immediate> > improvement. Other people have contacted me and also are using Avemar> > with their dogs and getting good results.> >> > I ordered the Oleander from South Africa and now have it in the wings> > if Jazzie begins to lose ground. I'm posting here because I wanted to> > share with all of you the information on Avemar. I do not sell it nor> > make money on it--I make it into capsules for Jazzie and give it to> > her once a day with frozen yogurt. People can simply put it into> > water and drink it which is how it is supposed to be used but dogs are> > not into orange flavored anything!> >> > I know there are more human patients on this list than dogs and I> > wanted to share the information on Avemar for those who do not know> > about it. It is available at www.iherb.com and many other places on> > the Internet--Google Avemar and learn more.> >> > It is NOT a replacement for Oleander, chemo or radiation--it is an> > adjunct therapy. It helps in cases with drug resistant cancers as> > well as those that are easily treated with drugs. I would imagine it> > would enhance the oleander but I'm very afraid to chnage the program> > on Jazzie since she's doing okay.> >> > I have dealt with lysing with her a few weeks ago and found the> > article here to be of great help.> >> > Barbara and Jazzie> >> >> >> >> > ------------ --------- --------- ------> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 How big is Gus? Rapid heartbeat is definitely a possible side effect of oleander - after all, it contains cardiac glycosides and cross assays with digoxin/digitalis (though a dose of oleander has much less cardiac glycosides than does digoxin/digitalis).Tony--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Shannon Madonna <shannonmadonna wrote:Shannon Madonna <shannonmadonnaRe: Re: Jazzieoleander soup Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 9:00 AM Barbara - I have Gus up to 3 capsules/5ml doses per day. Neither he nor Pilgrim has shown any sign of gastric distress, and as I mentioned yesterday, what I thought was a reaction to oleander was more likely the too rapid heartbeat. No soft stools, either. They both still have nosedrips, though, which is good. I restarted them on artemisinin last night, also, and so far, so good. Shannon, Gus & Pilgrim (the Battling Berners) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Gus is around 80 lbs right now. When I took him in Friday, the vet told me his heartbeat was approximately twice what it should be. Would oleander affect the heartbeat for days after discontinuing? Gus had not had any for at least two days prior to seeing the vet. He is also on prednisone, which can cause panting. He's been on so many medications, including chemo, in the past nine months, it's not surprising that his heart is damaged. His trembling, rapid heartbeat and panting have been going on for months, just not as bad. The alternative to keeping him on oleander is putting him to sleep, as he can no longer walk without help and is dropping weight rapidly. He gets around okay if I have a sling around his hips and wants to go outside and move around so he can see what's going on down the street. The vet is inclined to think that heart disease is also a contributing factor in why he hasn't been able to put on muscle mass, despite being on an amino acid blend for six weeks that's designed to bulk him up. I'm hoping that the heart medication will keep things under control until the oleander has a chance to reduce the tumor on his spine, histio is such an incredibly aggressive cancer the only hope is to treat it aggresively. Shannon, Gus & Pilgrim (the Battling Berners)--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Tony Isaacs wrote: Tony Isaacs Re: Re: Jazzieoleander soup Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 5:02 PM How big is Gus? Rapid heartbeat is definitely a possible side effect of oleander - after all, it contains cardiac glycosides and cross assays with digoxin/digitalis (though a dose of oleander has much less cardiac glycosides than does digoxin/digitalis) .Tony--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Shannon Madonna <shannonmadonna@ > wrote: Shannon Madonna <shannonmadonna@ >Re: Re: Jazzieoleander soupWednesday, September 10, 2008, 9:00 AM Barbara - I have Gus up to 3 capsules/5ml doses per day. Neither he nor Pilgrim has shown any sign of gastric distress, and as I mentioned yesterday, what I thought was a reaction to oleander was more likely the too rapid heartbeat. No soft stools, either. They both still have nosedrips, though, which is good. I restarted them on artemisinin last night, also, and so far, so good. Shannon, Gus & Pilgrim (the Battling Berners) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 Shannon.... Thanks for the update. I'm so sorry Gus is having even more problems. MH is dreadful. I don't think there is a human equivalent to malignant histiocytosis. For those who want to know, it is an inherited cancer of the histiocytes. By the time they have symptoms, it is usually rampant throughout the body. I lost my male Leonberger to MH 4 years ago. We did an exploratory surgery because we did not know what type of cancer he had and I was praying that we could save him but when he was opened, they saw cancer in every corner of his body. From first symptom to the end was 2 weeks. One other supplement that I highly recommend for prevention is Oncoplex. My internist had recommended it for my dog--she is a dog lover--and I have Jazzie on it but I also put my healthy Leo on it for prevention. It prevents the breakdown of apoptosis; it also adheres to mammary tissue and prevents environmental toxins from attacking that tissue. It is patented by Johns Hopkins University. Barbara In oleander soup , Shannon Madonna <shannonmadonna wrote: > > Barbara - I have Gus up to 3 capsules/5ml doses per day. Neither he nor Pilgrim has shown any sign of gastric distress, and as I mentioned yesterday, what I thought was a reaction to oleander was more likely the too rapid heartbeat. No soft stools, either. They both still have nosedrips, though, which is good. I restarted them on artemisinin last night, also, and so far, so good. > > Shannon, Gus & Pilgrim (the Battling Berners) > > --- On Tue, 9/9/08, Barbara Bouyet <bouyet wrote: > > Barbara Bouyet <bouyet > Re: Jazzie > oleander soup > Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 11:29 PM Bob.... > > Thanks for your input. Is there a common side effect in dogs that I > should know about? Without subjecting her to x-rays again--we have > done that 3 times and it is so stressful for a giant breed since it > takes 3 people to lift her onto a table--I can judge the cancer only > by her behavior. I would feel so much better if I were giving her the > oleander but I have anxiety about causing gastric problems. Any > information is welcome. > > Barbara > > In oleander soup, " bbanever " <bbanever@ .> wrote: > > > > Barbara, > > > > Thanks for the info on Jazzie. Being a dog owner, I'll keep > this info > > on hand. I see no reason why you couldn't use oleander along with the > > Avemar. The original studies on oleander were done on dogs, so we > know it > > works in them. > > > > Bob > > - > > " Barbara Bouyet " <bouyet@> > > <oleander soup> > > Monday, September 08, 2008 5:49 PM > > Jazzie > > > > > > > Hi folks.... > > > > > > I'm new to this list, here because I have a dog with metastasized > > > cancer. Jazzie is 143 pound female Leonberger, 10 years old. Her > > > original cancer was an intestinal adenocarcinoma found during a spay > > > in May, 2007 and removed. She has lung mets which were found in > > > January 2008. The prognosis for dogs with lung mets is 3 to 4 months. > > > We had her on neoplasene which is only for animals and induces > > > apoptosis but she had some serious gastric side effects from it though > > > it seemed to stop the progression of the tumors for 3 months. In > > > April, we switched away from neoplasene and started on a combination > > > of Artemisinin, Artemix, homeopathic nosodes and a human supplement > > > called Avemar. The Avemar also induces apoptosis plus it prevents > > > cancer cells from using glucose while assisting the body with > > > detoxification. > > > > > > From the day she was started on Avemar, there was immediate > > > improvement. Other people have contacted me and also are using Avemar > > > with their dogs and getting good results. > > > > > > I ordered the Oleander from South Africa and now have it in the wings > > > if Jazzie begins to lose ground. I'm posting here because I wanted to > > > share with all of you the information on Avemar. I do not sell it nor > > > make money on it--I make it into capsules for Jazzie and give it to > > > her once a day with frozen yogurt. People can simply put it into > > > water and drink it which is how it is supposed to be used but dogs are > > > not into orange flavored anything! > > > > > > I know there are more human patients on this list than dogs and I > > > wanted to share the information on Avemar for those who do not know > > > about it. It is available at www.iherb.com and many other places on > > > the Internet--Google Avemar and learn more. > > > > > > It is NOT a replacement for Oleander, chemo or radiation--it is an > > > adjunct therapy. It helps in cases with drug resistant cancers as > > > well as those that are easily treated with drugs. I would imagine it > > > would enhance the oleander but I'm very afraid to chnage the program > > > on Jazzie since she's doing okay. > > > > > > I have dealt with lysing with her a few weeks ago and found the > > > article here to be of great help. > > > > > > Barbara and Jazzie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 Have you tried frozen yogurt for Gemma? I give Jazzie her daily dose of Avemar with frozen yogurt. She takes 3 capsules at once in a tablespoon of the yogurt. It's easy to mold the yogurt to cover the capsules. Or you can try pureed organic chicken liver. Barbara In oleander soup , " tolzarg " <Tolzar wrote: > > Gemma has been taking OPC for a few days now with no side effects and I started with a small amount. Our major problem is trying to get her to take it. I can usually open a capsule and mix it in her food but she definitely smells and tastes it and refuses it. What worked today was opening the capsule, stuffing the open halves with bread (she gets 1/2 capsule twice a day), and sticking it into a meatball of raw ground chicken. Luckily the capsule didn't dissolve right away because it took some effort to get her to eat it. I fooled her once but I think she's onto me. She doesn't trust any food now, even when it has nothing in it.----BTW, her tumor lump, which had noticeably grown within a few days, has changed again. It seems flatter and possibly a bit smaller. I'm sure there's more tumor internally that I can't feel, but this is all I can actually see and feel. Looking forward to the new pet's list.-Nancy and Gemma (something's fishy!) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 An update----OCS IS causing GI distress for Gemma. She's now refusing any food but seems hungry---it's probably making her nauseaus. Luckily no diarrhea, yet, but she won't go near her raw food, which she loves. I bought her some canned grain-free high quality food to give her a change for a few days, hoping she'll eat something, and I'll stop the IP6 for a day or so. The OSC capsules, well, she bit into one today and would have ripped her mouth off if she could. She was actually foaming at the mouth and nose afterwards, so it must taste really awful. I don't know how I can continue giving it without her detecting it or forcing her to swallow it, which will stress her out. She doesn't trust me now.-OK, that's my last pet post here. I joined the new list---great idea. , your Misty looks a lot like my Gemma.-------------------------------Nancy and Gemma (Blech!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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