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Hi folks....

 

I'm new to this list, here because I have a dog with metastasized

cancer. Jazzie is 143 pound female Leonberger, 10 years old. Her

original cancer was an intestinal adenocarcinoma found during a spay

in May, 2007 and removed. She has lung mets which were found in

January 2008. The prognosis for dogs with lung mets is 3 to 4 months.

We had her on neoplasene which is only for animals and induces

apoptosis but she had some serious gastric side effects from it though

it seemed to stop the progression of the tumors for 3 months. In

April, we switched away from neoplasene and started on a combination

of Artemisinin, Artemix, homeopathic nosodes and a human supplement

called Avemar. The Avemar also induces apoptosis plus it prevents

cancer cells from using glucose while assisting the body with

detoxification.

 

From the day she was started on Avemar, there was immediate

improvement. Other people have contacted me and also are using Avemar

with their dogs and getting good results.

 

I ordered the Oleander from South Africa and now have it in the wings

if Jazzie begins to lose ground. I'm posting here because I wanted to

share with all of you the information on Avemar. I do not sell it nor

make money on it--I make it into capsules for Jazzie and give it to

her once a day with frozen yogurt. People can simply put it into

water and drink it which is how it is supposed to be used but dogs are

not into orange flavored anything!

 

I know there are more human patients on this list than dogs and I

wanted to share the information on Avemar for those who do not know

about it. It is available at www.iherb.com and many other places on

the Internet--Google Avemar and learn more.

 

It is NOT a replacement for Oleander, chemo or radiation--it is an

adjunct therapy. It helps in cases with drug resistant cancers as

well as those that are easily treated with drugs. I would imagine it

would enhance the oleander but I'm very afraid to chnage the program

on Jazzie since she's doing okay.

 

I have dealt with lysing with her a few weeks ago and found the

article here to be of great help.

 

Barbara and Jazzie

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Barbara,

 

Thanks for the info on Jazzie. Being a dog owner, I'll keep this info

on hand. I see no reason why you couldn't use oleander along with the

Avemar. The original studies on oleander were done on dogs, so we know it

works in them.

 

Bob

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" Barbara Bouyet " <bouyet

<oleander soup >

Monday, September 08, 2008 5:49 PM

Jazzie

 

 

> Hi folks....

>

> I'm new to this list, here because I have a dog with metastasized

> cancer. Jazzie is 143 pound female Leonberger, 10 years old. Her

> original cancer was an intestinal adenocarcinoma found during a spay

> in May, 2007 and removed. She has lung mets which were found in

> January 2008. The prognosis for dogs with lung mets is 3 to 4 months.

> We had her on neoplasene which is only for animals and induces

> apoptosis but she had some serious gastric side effects from it though

> it seemed to stop the progression of the tumors for 3 months. In

> April, we switched away from neoplasene and started on a combination

> of Artemisinin, Artemix, homeopathic nosodes and a human supplement

> called Avemar. The Avemar also induces apoptosis plus it prevents

> cancer cells from using glucose while assisting the body with

> detoxification.

>

> From the day she was started on Avemar, there was immediate

> improvement. Other people have contacted me and also are using Avemar

> with their dogs and getting good results.

>

> I ordered the Oleander from South Africa and now have it in the wings

> if Jazzie begins to lose ground. I'm posting here because I wanted to

> share with all of you the information on Avemar. I do not sell it nor

> make money on it--I make it into capsules for Jazzie and give it to

> her once a day with frozen yogurt. People can simply put it into

> water and drink it which is how it is supposed to be used but dogs are

> not into orange flavored anything!

>

> I know there are more human patients on this list than dogs and I

> wanted to share the information on Avemar for those who do not know

> about it. It is available at www.iherb.com and many other places on

> the Internet--Google Avemar and learn more.

>

> It is NOT a replacement for Oleander, chemo or radiation--it is an

> adjunct therapy. It helps in cases with drug resistant cancers as

> well as those that are easily treated with drugs. I would imagine it

> would enhance the oleander but I'm very afraid to chnage the program

> on Jazzie since she's doing okay.

>

> I have dealt with lysing with her a few weeks ago and found the

> article here to be of great help.

>

> Barbara and Jazzie

>

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

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Hi Barbara,

 

Welcome to the group and thank you for telling us about Jazzie.

 

I would definitely take the oleander " out of the wings " and use it as

all it can do is enhance Jazzie's healing.

 

As a side note, chemo and radiation should never be used, not for humans

and not for our furkids. All it does is destroy the body and seriously

compromise the immune system.

 

Please keep us posted as to Jazzie's progress and we look forward to

getting to know you better.

 

Hugs,

 

 

 

oleander soup , " Barbara Bouyet " <bouyet

wrote:

>

> Hi folks....

>

> I'm new to this list, here because I have a dog with metastasized

> cancer. Jazzie is 143 pound female Leonberger, 10 years old. Her

> original cancer was an intestinal adenocarcinoma found during a spay

> in May, 2007 and removed. She has lung mets which were found in

> January 2008. The prognosis for dogs with lung mets is 3 to 4 months.

> We had her on neoplasene which is only for animals and induces

> apoptosis but she had some serious gastric side effects from it though

> it seemed to stop the progression of the tumors for 3 months. In

> April, we switched away from neoplasene and started on a combination

> of Artemisinin, Artemix, homeopathic nosodes and a human supplement

> called Avemar. The Avemar also induces apoptosis plus it prevents

> cancer cells from using glucose while assisting the body with

> detoxification.

>

> From the day she was started on Avemar, there was immediate

> improvement. Other people have contacted me and also are using Avemar

> with their dogs and getting good results.

>

> I ordered the Oleander from South Africa and now have it in the wings

> if Jazzie begins to lose ground. I'm posting here because I wanted to

> share with all of you the information on Avemar. I do not sell it nor

> make money on it--I make it into capsules for Jazzie and give it to

> her once a day with frozen yogurt. People can simply put it into

> water and drink it which is how it is supposed to be used but dogs are

> not into orange flavored anything!

>

> I know there are more human patients on this list than dogs and I

> wanted to share the information on Avemar for those who do not know

> about it. It is available at www.iherb.com and many other places on

> the Internet--Google Avemar and learn more.

>

> It is NOT a replacement for Oleander, chemo or radiation--it is an

> adjunct therapy. It helps in cases with drug resistant cancers as

> well as those that are easily treated with drugs. I would imagine it

> would enhance the oleander but I'm very afraid to chnage the program

> on Jazzie since she's doing okay.

>

> I have dealt with lysing with her a few weeks ago and found the

> article here to be of great help.

>

> Barbara and Jazzie

>

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Bob....

 

Thanks for your input. Is there a common side effect in dogs that I

should know about? Without subjecting her to x-rays again--we have

done that 3 times and it is so stressful for a giant breed since it

takes 3 people to lift her onto a table--I can judge the cancer only

by her behavior. I would feel so much better if I were giving her the

oleander but I have anxiety about causing gastric problems. Any

information is welcome.

 

Barbara

 

In oleander soup , " bbanever " <bbanever wrote:

>

> Barbara,

>

> Thanks for the info on Jazzie. Being a dog owner, I'll keep

this info

> on hand. I see no reason why you couldn't use oleander along with the

> Avemar. The original studies on oleander were done on dogs, so we

know it

> works in them.

>

> Bob

> -

> " Barbara Bouyet " <bouyet

> <oleander soup >

> Monday, September 08, 2008 5:49 PM

> Jazzie

>

>

> > Hi folks....

> >

> > I'm new to this list, here because I have a dog with metastasized

> > cancer. Jazzie is 143 pound female Leonberger, 10 years old. Her

> > original cancer was an intestinal adenocarcinoma found during a spay

> > in May, 2007 and removed. She has lung mets which were found in

> > January 2008. The prognosis for dogs with lung mets is 3 to 4 months.

> > We had her on neoplasene which is only for animals and induces

> > apoptosis but she had some serious gastric side effects from it though

> > it seemed to stop the progression of the tumors for 3 months. In

> > April, we switched away from neoplasene and started on a combination

> > of Artemisinin, Artemix, homeopathic nosodes and a human supplement

> > called Avemar. The Avemar also induces apoptosis plus it prevents

> > cancer cells from using glucose while assisting the body with

> > detoxification.

> >

> > From the day she was started on Avemar, there was immediate

> > improvement. Other people have contacted me and also are using Avemar

> > with their dogs and getting good results.

> >

> > I ordered the Oleander from South Africa and now have it in the wings

> > if Jazzie begins to lose ground. I'm posting here because I wanted to

> > share with all of you the information on Avemar. I do not sell it nor

> > make money on it--I make it into capsules for Jazzie and give it to

> > her once a day with frozen yogurt. People can simply put it into

> > water and drink it which is how it is supposed to be used but dogs are

> > not into orange flavored anything!

> >

> > I know there are more human patients on this list than dogs and I

> > wanted to share the information on Avemar for those who do not know

> > about it. It is available at www.iherb.com and many other places on

> > the Internet--Google Avemar and learn more.

> >

> > It is NOT a replacement for Oleander, chemo or radiation--it is an

> > adjunct therapy. It helps in cases with drug resistant cancers as

> > well as those that are easily treated with drugs. I would imagine it

> > would enhance the oleander but I'm very afraid to chnage the program

> > on Jazzie since she's doing okay.

> >

> > I have dealt with lysing with her a few weeks ago and found the

> > article here to be of great help.

> >

> > Barbara and Jazzie

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---

> >

> >

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Hi ....

 

Thank you--I think I will start her on the oleander next week. I have

been using the Arte in a pulsing method meaning two weeks on and 5

days off to prevent a breakdown in their absorption rate. If I start

her on oleander on her 5 days off, I can see immediately if she has a

problem. If she's good with that then I'll keep her on all of them.

I never stop the use of Avemar. By the way, there is a lot of

research available online that discusses the success of Avemar used

with other treatments.

 

When she was diagnosed, the oncologist wanted to do chemo but the drug

he wanted to use would have destroyed her bone marrow so we opted not

to. I so believe in all natural.

 

Barbara

 

In oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129 wrote:

>

> Hi Barbara,

>

> Welcome to the group and thank you for telling us about Jazzie.

>

> I would definitely take the oleander " out of the wings " and use it as

> all it can do is enhance Jazzie's healing.

>

> As a side note, chemo and radiation should never be used, not for humans

> and not for our furkids. All it does is destroy the body and seriously

> compromise the immune system.

>

> Please keep us posted as to Jazzie's progress and we look forward to

> getting to know you better.

>

> Hugs,

>

>

>

> oleander soup , " Barbara Bouyet " <bouyet@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi folks....

> >

> > I'm new to this list, here because I have a dog with metastasized

> > cancer. Jazzie is 143 pound female Leonberger, 10 years old. Her

> > original cancer was an intestinal adenocarcinoma found during a spay

> > in May, 2007 and removed. She has lung mets which were found in

> > January 2008. The prognosis for dogs with lung mets is 3 to 4 months.

> > We had her on neoplasene which is only for animals and induces

> > apoptosis but she had some serious gastric side effects from it though

> > it seemed to stop the progression of the tumors for 3 months. In

> > April, we switched away from neoplasene and started on a combination

> > of Artemisinin, Artemix, homeopathic nosodes and a human supplement

> > called Avemar. The Avemar also induces apoptosis plus it prevents

> > cancer cells from using glucose while assisting the body with

> > detoxification.

> >

> > From the day she was started on Avemar, there was immediate

> > improvement. Other people have contacted me and also are using Avemar

> > with their dogs and getting good results.

> >

> > I ordered the Oleander from South Africa and now have it in the wings

> > if Jazzie begins to lose ground. I'm posting here because I wanted to

> > share with all of you the information on Avemar. I do not sell it nor

> > make money on it--I make it into capsules for Jazzie and give it to

> > her once a day with frozen yogurt. People can simply put it into

> > water and drink it which is how it is supposed to be used but dogs are

> > not into orange flavored anything!

> >

> > I know there are more human patients on this list than dogs and I

> > wanted to share the information on Avemar for those who do not know

> > about it. It is available at www.iherb.com and many other places on

> > the Internet--Google Avemar and learn more.

> >

> > It is NOT a replacement for Oleander, chemo or radiation--it is an

> > adjunct therapy. It helps in cases with drug resistant cancers as

> > well as those that are easily treated with drugs. I would imagine it

> > would enhance the oleander but I'm very afraid to chnage the program

> > on Jazzie since she's doing okay.

> >

> > I have dealt with lysing with her a few weeks ago and found the

> > article here to be of great help.

> >

> > Barbara and Jazzie

> >

>

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Thank you Barbara for your information.

 

Start Jazzy on the smallest dosage of oleander and then work your way

up. Also.... Did I mention colloidal silver? This is a powerful

healing agent for all animals.

 

Thank goodness you did not do chemo. All types of chemo destroy the

body.

 

Hugs,

 

 

oleander soup , " Barbara Bouyet " <bouyet

wrote:

>

> Hi ....

>

> Thank you--I think I will start her on the oleander next week. I have

> been using the Arte in a pulsing method meaning two weeks on and 5

> days off to prevent a breakdown in their absorption rate. If I start

> her on oleander on her 5 days off, I can see immediately if she has a

> problem. If she's good with that then I'll keep her on all of them.

> I never stop the use of Avemar. By the way, there is a lot of

> research available online that discusses the success of Avemar used

> with other treatments.

>

> When she was diagnosed, the oncologist wanted to do chemo but the drug

> he wanted to use would have destroyed her bone marrow so we opted not

> to. I so believe in all natural.

>

> Barbara

>

> In oleander soup , " May " luellamay129@ wrote:

> >

> > Hi Barbara,

> >

> > Welcome to the group and thank you for telling us about Jazzie.

> >

> > I would definitely take the oleander " out of the wings " and use it

as

> > all it can do is enhance Jazzie's healing.

> >

> > As a side note, chemo and radiation should never be used, not for

humans

> > and not for our furkids. All it does is destroy the body and

seriously

> > compromise the immune system.

> >

> > Please keep us posted as to Jazzie's progress and we look forward to

> > getting to know you better.

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> >

> >

> > oleander soup , " Barbara Bouyet " <bouyet@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi folks....

> > >

> > > I'm new to this list, here because I have a dog with metastasized

> > > cancer. Jazzie is 143 pound female Leonberger, 10 years old. Her

> > > original cancer was an intestinal adenocarcinoma found during a

spay

> > > in May, 2007 and removed. She has lung mets which were found in

> > > January 2008. The prognosis for dogs with lung mets is 3 to 4

months.

> > > We had her on neoplasene which is only for animals and induces

> > > apoptosis but she had some serious gastric side effects from it

though

> > > it seemed to stop the progression of the tumors for 3 months. In

> > > April, we switched away from neoplasene and started on a

combination

> > > of Artemisinin, Artemix, homeopathic nosodes and a human

supplement

> > > called Avemar. The Avemar also induces apoptosis plus it prevents

> > > cancer cells from using glucose while assisting the body with

> > > detoxification.

> > >

> > > From the day she was started on Avemar, there was immediate

> > > improvement. Other people have contacted me and also are using

Avemar

> > > with their dogs and getting good results.

> > >

> > > I ordered the Oleander from South Africa and now have it in the

wings

> > > if Jazzie begins to lose ground. I'm posting here because I

wanted to

> > > share with all of you the information on Avemar. I do not sell it

nor

> > > make money on it--I make it into capsules for Jazzie and give it

to

> > > her once a day with frozen yogurt. People can simply put it into

> > > water and drink it which is how it is supposed to be used but dogs

are

> > > not into orange flavored anything!

> > >

> > > I know there are more human patients on this list than dogs and I

> > > wanted to share the information on Avemar for those who do not

know

> > > about it. It is available at www.iherb.com and many other places

on

> > > the Internet--Google Avemar and learn more.

> > >

> > > It is NOT a replacement for Oleander, chemo or radiation--it is an

> > > adjunct therapy. It helps in cases with drug resistant cancers as

> > > well as those that are easily treated with drugs. I would imagine

it

> > > would enhance the oleander but I'm very afraid to chnage the

program

> > > on Jazzie since she's doing okay.

> > >

> > > I have dealt with lysing with her a few weeks ago and found the

> > > article here to be of great help.

> > >

> > > Barbara and Jazzie

> > >

> >

>

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Hi :

I wold like to make the oleander soup and take it. I live in Canada. Does anyone know where I can buy the plant in Canada so as to make the soup. Anyone know of a good soucrce in Canada. Canadian customs do not allow some plants across the border from the US.

Thanks.

 

 

 

 

- May

oleander soup

Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:56 PM

Re: Jazzie

 

 

Thank you Barbara for your information.Start Jazzy on the smallest dosage of oleander and then work your wayup. Also.... Did I mention colloidal silver? This is a powerfulhealing agent for all animals.Thank goodness you did not do chemo. All types of chemo destroy thebody.Hugs,oleander soup , "Barbara Bouyet" <bouyetwrote:>> Hi ....>> Thank you--I think I will start her on the oleander next week. I have> been using the Arte in a pulsing method meaning two weeks on and 5> days off to prevent a breakdown in their absorption rate. If I start> her on oleander on her 5 days off, I can see immediately if she has a> problem. If she's good with that then I'll keep her on all of them.> I never stop the use of Avemar. By the way, there is a lot of> research available online that discusses the success of Avemar used> with other treatments.>> When she was diagnosed, the oncologist wanted to do chemo but the drug> he wanted to use would have destroyed her bone marrow so we opted not> to. I so believe in all natural.>> Barbara>> In oleander soup , " May" luellamay129@ wrote:> >> > Hi Barbara,> >> > Welcome to the group and thank you for telling us about Jazzie.> >> > I would definitely take the oleander "out of the wings" and use itas> > all it can do is enhance Jazzie's healing.> >> > As a side note, chemo and radiation should never be used, not forhumans> > and not for our furkids. All it does is destroy the body andseriously> > compromise the immune system.> >> > Please keep us posted as to Jazzie's progress and we look forward to> > getting to know you better.> >> > Hugs,> > > >> >> > oleander soup , "Barbara Bouyet" <bouyet@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Hi folks....> > >> > > I'm new to this list, here because I have a dog with metastasized> > > cancer. Jazzie is 143 pound female Leonberger, 10 years old. Her> > > original cancer was an intestinal adenocarcinoma found during aspay> > > in May, 2007 and removed. She has lung mets which were found in> > > January 2008. The prognosis for dogs with lung mets is 3 to 4months.> > > We had her on neoplasene which is only for animals and induces> > > apoptosis but she had some serious gastric side effects from itthough> > > it seemed to stop the progression of the tumors for 3 months. In> > > April, we switched away from neoplasene and started on acombination> > > of Artemisinin, Artemix, homeopathic nosodes and a humansupplement> > > called Avemar. The Avemar also induces apoptosis plus it prevents> > > cancer cells from using glucose while assisting the body with> > > detoxification.> > >> > > From the day she was started on Avemar, there was immediate> > > improvement. Other people have contacted me and also are usingAvemar> > > with their dogs and getting good results.> > >> > > I ordered the Oleander from South Africa and now have it in thewings> > > if Jazzie begins to lose ground. I'm posting here because Iwanted to> > > share with all of you the information on Avemar. I do not sell itnor> > > make money on it--I make it into capsules for Jazzie and give itto> > > her once a day with frozen yogurt. People can simply put it into> > > water and drink it which is how it is supposed to be used but dogsare> > > not into orange flavored anything!> > >> > > I know there are more human patients on this list than dogs and I> > > wanted to share the information on Avemar for those who do notknow> > > about it. It is available at www.iherb.com and many other placeson> > > the Internet--Google Avemar and learn more.> > >> > > It is NOT a replacement for Oleander, chemo or radiation--it is an> > > adjunct therapy. It helps in cases with drug resistant cancers as> > > well as those that are easily treated with drugs. I would imagineit> > > would enhance the oleander but I'm very afraid to chnage theprogram> > > on Jazzie since she's doing okay.> > >> > > I have dealt with lysing with her a few weeks ago and found the> > > article here to be of great help.> > >> > > Barbara and Jazzie> > >> >>

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Oh my. I think we have tackled this topic before and I'm not sure it

was resolved. Well, let's see. Try looking online for an organic

nursery. Please let me know how you come out.

 

Warm regards,

 

 

oleander soup , Ches Farwell <cfarwell wrote:

>

> Hi :

> I wold like to make the oleander soup and take it. I live in Canada.

Does anyone know where I can buy the plant in Canada so as to make the

soup. Anyone know of a good soucrce in Canada. Canadian customs do not

allow some plants across the border from the US.

> Thanks.

>

>

>

>

> -

> May

> oleander soup

> Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:56 PM

> Re: Jazzie

>

>

> Thank you Barbara for your information.

>

> Start Jazzy on the smallest dosage of oleander and then work your way

> up. Also.... Did I mention colloidal silver? This is a powerful

> healing agent for all animals.

>

> Thank goodness you did not do chemo. All types of chemo destroy the

> body.

>

> Hugs,

>

>

> oleander soup , " Barbara Bouyet " bouyet@

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi ....

> >

> > Thank you--I think I will start her on the oleander next week. I

have

> > been using the Arte in a pulsing method meaning two weeks on and 5

> > days off to prevent a breakdown in their absorption rate. If I start

> > her on oleander on her 5 days off, I can see immediately if she has

a

> > problem. If she's good with that then I'll keep her on all of them.

> > I never stop the use of Avemar. By the way, there is a lot of

> > research available online that discusses the success of Avemar used

> > with other treatments.

> >

> > When she was diagnosed, the oncologist wanted to do chemo but the

drug

> > he wanted to use would have destroyed her bone marrow so we opted

not

> > to. I so believe in all natural.

> >

> > Barbara

> >

> > In oleander soup , " May " luellamay129@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Barbara,

> > >

> > > Welcome to the group and thank you for telling us about Jazzie.

> > >

> > > I would definitely take the oleander " out of the wings " and use it

> as

> > > all it can do is enhance Jazzie's healing.

> > >

> > > As a side note, chemo and radiation should never be used, not for

> humans

> > > and not for our furkids. All it does is destroy the body and

> seriously

> > > compromise the immune system.

> > >

> > > Please keep us posted as to Jazzie's progress and we look forward

to

> > > getting to know you better.

> > >

> > > Hugs,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > oleander soup , " Barbara Bouyet " <bouyet@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi folks....

> > > >

> > > > I'm new to this list, here because I have a dog with

metastasized

> > > > cancer. Jazzie is 143 pound female Leonberger, 10 years old. Her

> > > > original cancer was an intestinal adenocarcinoma found during a

> spay

> > > > in May, 2007 and removed. She has lung mets which were found in

> > > > January 2008. The prognosis for dogs with lung mets is 3 to 4

> months.

> > > > We had her on neoplasene which is only for animals and induces

> > > > apoptosis but she had some serious gastric side effects from it

> though

> > > > it seemed to stop the progression of the tumors for 3 months. In

> > > > April, we switched away from neoplasene and started on a

> combination

> > > > of Artemisinin, Artemix, homeopathic nosodes and a human

> supplement

> > > > called Avemar. The Avemar also induces apoptosis plus it

prevents

> > > > cancer cells from using glucose while assisting the body with

> > > > detoxification.

> > > >

> > > > From the day she was started on Avemar, there was immediate

> > > > improvement. Other people have contacted me and also are using

> Avemar

> > > > with their dogs and getting good results.

> > > >

> > > > I ordered the Oleander from South Africa and now have it in the

> wings

> > > > if Jazzie begins to lose ground. I'm posting here because I

> wanted to

> > > > share with all of you the information on Avemar. I do not sell

it

> nor

> > > > make money on it--I make it into capsules for Jazzie and give it

> to

> > > > her once a day with frozen yogurt. People can simply put it into

> > > > water and drink it which is how it is supposed to be used but

dogs

> are

> > > > not into orange flavored anything!

> > > >

> > > > I know there are more human patients on this list than dogs and

I

> > > > wanted to share the information on Avemar for those who do not

> know

> > > > about it. It is available at www.iherb.com and many other places

> on

> > > > the Internet--Google Avemar and learn more.

> > > >

> > > > It is NOT a replacement for Oleander, chemo or radiation--it is

an

> > > > adjunct therapy. It helps in cases with drug resistant cancers

as

> > > > well as those that are easily treated with drugs. I would

imagine

> it

> > > > would enhance the oleander but I'm very afraid to chnage the

> program

> > > > on Jazzie since she's doing okay.

> > > >

> > > > I have dealt with lysing with her a few weeks ago and found the

> > > > article here to be of great help.

> > > >

> > > > Barbara and Jazzie

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Gemma has been taking OPC for a few days now with no side effects and I started

with a small amount. Our major problem is trying to get her to take it. I can

usually open a capsule and mix it in her food but she definitely smells and

tastes it and refuses it. What worked today was opening the capsule, stuffing

the open halves with bread (she gets 1/2 capsule twice a day), and sticking it

into a meatball of raw ground chicken. Luckily the capsule didn't dissolve

right away because it took some effort to get her to eat it. I fooled her once

but I think she's onto me. She doesn't trust any food now, even when it has

nothing in

it.----BTW,

her tumor lump, which had noticeably grown within a few days, has changed again.

It seems flatter and possibly a bit smaller. I'm sure there's more tumor

internally that I can't feel, but this is all I can actually see and feel.

Looking forward to the new pet's

list.-Nancy

and Gemma (something's fishy!)

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Barbara - I have Gus up to 3 capsules/5ml doses per day. Neither he nor Pilgrim has shown any sign of gastric distress, and as I mentioned yesterday, what I thought was a reaction to oleander was more likely the too rapid heartbeat. No soft stools, either. They both still have nosedrips, though, which is good. I restarted them on artemisinin last night, also, and so far, so good.

Shannon, Gus & Pilgrim (the Battling Berners)--- On Tue, 9/9/08, Barbara Bouyet <bouyet wrote:

Barbara Bouyet <bouyet Re: Jazzieoleander soup Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 11:29 PM

 

 

Bob....Thanks for your input. Is there a common side effect in dogs that Ishould know about? Without subjecting her to x-rays again--we havedone that 3 times and it is so stressful for a giant breed since ittakes 3 people to lift her onto a table--I can judge the cancer onlyby her behavior. I would feel so much better if I were giving her theoleander but I have anxiety about causing gastric problems. Anyinformation is welcome.BarbaraIn oleander soup, "bbanever" <bbanever@.. .> wrote:>> Barbara,> > Thanks for the info on Jazzie. Being a dog owner, I'll keepthis info > on hand. I see no reason why you couldn't use oleander along with the > Avemar. The original studies on oleander were done on dogs, so weknow it > works in them.> >

Bob> - > "Barbara Bouyet" <bouyet> <oleander soup>> Monday, September 08, 2008 5:49 PM> Jazzie> > > > Hi folks....> >> > I'm new to this list, here because I have a dog with metastasized> > cancer. Jazzie is 143 pound female Leonberger, 10 years old. Her> > original cancer was an intestinal adenocarcinoma found during a spay> > in May, 2007 and removed. She has lung mets which were found in> > January 2008. The prognosis for dogs with lung mets is 3 to 4 months.> > We had her on neoplasene which is only for animals and induces> > apoptosis but she had some serious gastric side effects from it though> > it seemed to stop the

progression of the tumors for 3 months. In> > April, we switched away from neoplasene and started on a combination> > of Artemisinin, Artemix, homeopathic nosodes and a human supplement> > called Avemar. The Avemar also induces apoptosis plus it prevents> > cancer cells from using glucose while assisting the body with> > detoxification.> >> > From the day she was started on Avemar, there was immediate> > improvement. Other people have contacted me and also are using Avemar> > with their dogs and getting good results.> >> > I ordered the Oleander from South Africa and now have it in the wings> > if Jazzie begins to lose ground. I'm posting here because I wanted to> > share with all of you the information on Avemar. I do not sell it nor> > make money on it--I make it into capsules for Jazzie and give it to>

> her once a day with frozen yogurt. People can simply put it into> > water and drink it which is how it is supposed to be used but dogs are> > not into orange flavored anything!> >> > I know there are more human patients on this list than dogs and I> > wanted to share the information on Avemar for those who do not know> > about it. It is available at www.iherb.com and many other places on> > the Internet--Google Avemar and learn more.> >> > It is NOT a replacement for Oleander, chemo or radiation--it is an> > adjunct therapy. It helps in cases with drug resistant cancers as> > well as those that are easily treated with drugs. I would imagine it> > would enhance the oleander but I'm very afraid to chnage the program> > on Jazzie since she's doing okay.> >> > I have dealt with lysing with her a few weeks

ago and found the> > article here to be of great help.> >> > Barbara and Jazzie> >> >> >> >> > ------------ --------- --------- ------> >> >

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How big is Gus? Rapid heartbeat is definitely a possible side effect of oleander - after all, it contains cardiac glycosides and cross assays with digoxin/digitalis (though a dose of oleander has much less cardiac glycosides than does digoxin/digitalis).Tony--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Shannon Madonna <shannonmadonna wrote:Shannon Madonna <shannonmadonnaRe: Re: Jazzieoleander soup Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 9:00 AM

 

Barbara - I have Gus up to 3 capsules/5ml doses per day. Neither he nor Pilgrim has shown any sign of gastric distress, and as I mentioned yesterday, what I thought was a reaction to oleander was more likely the too rapid heartbeat. No soft stools, either. They both still have nosedrips, though, which is good. I restarted them on artemisinin last night, also, and so far, so good.

Shannon, Gus & Pilgrim (the Battling Berners)

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Gus is around 80 lbs right now. When I took him in Friday, the vet told me his heartbeat was approximately twice what it should be. Would oleander affect the heartbeat for days after discontinuing? Gus had not had any for at least two days prior to seeing the vet. He is also on prednisone, which can cause panting. He's been on so many medications, including chemo, in the past nine months, it's not surprising that his heart is damaged. His trembling, rapid heartbeat and panting have been going on for months, just not as bad. The alternative to keeping him on oleander is putting him to sleep, as he can no longer walk without help and is dropping weight rapidly. He gets around okay if I have a sling around his hips and wants to go outside and move around so he can see what's going on down the street.

The vet is inclined to think that heart disease is also a contributing factor in why he hasn't been able to put on muscle mass, despite being on an amino acid blend for six weeks that's designed to bulk him up. I'm hoping that the heart medication will keep things under control until the oleander has a chance to reduce the tumor on his spine, histio is such an incredibly aggressive cancer the only hope is to treat it aggresively. Shannon, Gus & Pilgrim (the Battling Berners)--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Tony Isaacs wrote:

Tony Isaacs Re: Re: Jazzieoleander soup Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 5:02 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

How big is Gus? Rapid heartbeat is definitely a possible side effect of oleander - after all, it contains cardiac glycosides and cross assays with digoxin/digitalis (though a dose of oleander has much less cardiac glycosides than does digoxin/digitalis) .Tony--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Shannon Madonna <shannonmadonna@ > wrote:

Shannon Madonna <shannonmadonna@ >Re: Re: Jazzieoleander soupWednesday, September 10, 2008, 9:00 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Barbara - I have Gus up to 3 capsules/5ml doses per day. Neither he nor Pilgrim has shown any sign of gastric distress, and as I mentioned yesterday, what I thought was a reaction to oleander was more likely the too rapid heartbeat. No soft stools, either. They both still have nosedrips, though, which is good. I restarted them on artemisinin last night, also, and so far, so good.

Shannon, Gus & Pilgrim (the Battling Berners)

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Shannon....

 

Thanks for the update. I'm so sorry Gus is having even more problems.

MH is dreadful. I don't think there is a human equivalent to

malignant histiocytosis. For those who want to know, it is an

inherited cancer of the histiocytes. By the time they have symptoms,

it is usually rampant throughout the body. I lost my male Leonberger

to MH 4 years ago. We did an exploratory surgery because we did not

know what type of cancer he had and I was praying that we could save

him but when he was opened, they saw cancer in every corner of his

body. From first symptom to the end was 2 weeks.

 

One other supplement that I highly recommend for prevention is

Oncoplex. My internist had recommended it for my dog--she is a dog

lover--and I have Jazzie on it but I also put my healthy Leo on it for

prevention. It prevents the breakdown of apoptosis; it also adheres

to mammary tissue and prevents environmental toxins from attacking

that tissue. It is patented by Johns Hopkins University.

 

Barbara

 

In oleander soup , Shannon Madonna <shannonmadonna

wrote:

>

> Barbara - I have Gus up to 3 capsules/5ml doses per day.  Neither he

nor Pilgrim has shown any sign of gastric distress, and as I mentioned

yesterday, what I thought was a reaction to oleander was more likely

the too rapid heartbeat.  No soft stools, either.  They both still

have nosedrips, though, which is good.  I restarted them on

artemisinin last night, also, and so far, so good.

>

> Shannon, Gus & Pilgrim (the Battling Berners)

>

> --- On Tue, 9/9/08, Barbara Bouyet <bouyet wrote:

>

> Barbara Bouyet <bouyet

> Re: Jazzie

> oleander soup

> Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 11:29 PM

Bob....

>

> Thanks for your input. Is there a common side effect in dogs that I

> should know about? Without subjecting her to x-rays again--we have

> done that 3 times and it is so stressful for a giant breed since it

> takes 3 people to lift her onto a table--I can judge the cancer only

> by her behavior. I would feel so much better if I were giving her the

> oleander but I have anxiety about causing gastric problems. Any

> information is welcome.

>

> Barbara

>

> In oleander soup, " bbanever " <bbanever@ .> wrote:

> >

> > Barbara,

> >

> > Thanks for the info on Jazzie. Being a dog owner, I'll keep

> this info

> > on hand. I see no reason why you couldn't use oleander along with the

> > Avemar. The original studies on oleander were done on dogs, so we

> know it

> > works in them.

> >

> > Bob

> > -

> > " Barbara Bouyet " <bouyet@>

> > <oleander soup>

> > Monday, September 08, 2008 5:49 PM

> > Jazzie

> >

> >

> > > Hi folks....

> > >

> > > I'm new to this list, here because I have a dog with metastasized

> > > cancer. Jazzie is 143 pound female Leonberger, 10 years old. Her

> > > original cancer was an intestinal adenocarcinoma found during a spay

> > > in May, 2007 and removed. She has lung mets which were found in

> > > January 2008. The prognosis for dogs with lung mets is 3 to 4

months.

> > > We had her on neoplasene which is only for animals and induces

> > > apoptosis but she had some serious gastric side effects from it

though

> > > it seemed to stop the progression of the tumors for 3 months. In

> > > April, we switched away from neoplasene and started on a combination

> > > of Artemisinin, Artemix, homeopathic nosodes and a human supplement

> > > called Avemar. The Avemar also induces apoptosis plus it prevents

> > > cancer cells from using glucose while assisting the body with

> > > detoxification.

> > >

> > > From the day she was started on Avemar, there was immediate

> > > improvement. Other people have contacted me and also are using

Avemar

> > > with their dogs and getting good results.

> > >

> > > I ordered the Oleander from South Africa and now have it in the

wings

> > > if Jazzie begins to lose ground. I'm posting here because I

wanted to

> > > share with all of you the information on Avemar. I do not sell

it nor

> > > make money on it--I make it into capsules for Jazzie and give it to

> > > her once a day with frozen yogurt. People can simply put it into

> > > water and drink it which is how it is supposed to be used but

dogs are

> > > not into orange flavored anything!

> > >

> > > I know there are more human patients on this list than dogs and I

> > > wanted to share the information on Avemar for those who do not know

> > > about it. It is available at www.iherb.com and many other places on

> > > the Internet--Google Avemar and learn more.

> > >

> > > It is NOT a replacement for Oleander, chemo or radiation--it is an

> > > adjunct therapy. It helps in cases with drug resistant cancers as

> > > well as those that are easily treated with drugs. I would imagine it

> > > would enhance the oleander but I'm very afraid to chnage the program

> > > on Jazzie since she's doing okay.

> > >

> > > I have dealt with lysing with her a few weeks ago and found the

> > > article here to be of great help.

> > >

> > > Barbara and Jazzie

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > >

> > >

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Have you tried frozen yogurt for Gemma? I give Jazzie her daily dose

of Avemar with frozen yogurt. She takes 3 capsules at once in a

tablespoon of the yogurt. It's easy to mold the yogurt to cover the

capsules. Or you can try pureed organic chicken liver.

 

Barbara

 

In oleander soup , " tolzarg " <Tolzar wrote:

>

> Gemma has been taking OPC for a few days now with no side effects

and I started with a small amount. Our major problem is trying to get

her to take it. I can usually open a capsule and mix it in her food

but she definitely smells and tastes it and refuses it. What worked

today was opening the capsule, stuffing the open halves with bread

(she gets 1/2 capsule twice a day), and sticking it into a meatball of

raw ground chicken. Luckily the capsule didn't dissolve right away

because it took some effort to get her to eat it. I fooled her once

but I think she's onto me. She doesn't trust any food now, even when

it has nothing in

it.----BTW,

her tumor lump, which had noticeably grown within a few days, has

changed again. It seems flatter and possibly a bit smaller. I'm sure

there's more tumor internally that I can't feel, but this is all I can

actually see and feel. Looking forward to the new pet's

list.-Nancy

and Gemma (something's fishy!)

>

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An update----OCS IS causing GI distress for Gemma. She's now refusing any food

but seems hungry---it's probably making her nauseaus. Luckily no diarrhea, yet,

but she won't go near her raw food, which she loves. I bought her some canned

grain-free high quality food to give her a change for a few days, hoping she'll

eat something, and I'll stop the IP6 for a day or so. The OSC capsules, well,

she bit into one today and would have ripped her mouth off if she could. She

was actually foaming at the mouth and nose afterwards, so it must taste really

awful. I don't know how I can continue giving it without her detecting it or

forcing her to swallow it, which will stress her out. She doesn't trust me

now.-OK,

that's my last pet post here. I joined the new list---great idea. , your

Misty looks a lot like my

Gemma.-------------------------------Nancy and

Gemma (Blech!)

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