Tingling is not a good sign! The likely cause is insecticide - Mike

September 4, 2008

That is odd, Mike. I have never experienced the slightest bit of

tingling or numbness on my lips, tongue, fingers or on the skin areas

where I have applied both regular strength and concentrated oleander

extract.

Some pesticides have half-lives of 50 years or more, and so can the

residues from herbicides and other chemical compounds. Are you sure

your brother has never sprayed any weeds or bugs?. And then there is

chemical drift and runoff to consider. Which kind of makes the idea of

land only having to lie fallow or not have pesticides of herbicides

used for three years in order to qualify as organic (and even if crop

dusters or other pesticide applicators are used just across the

fenceline upwind and uphill from the " organic " plot) a bit worrisome

doesn't it?

Have you compared your oleander with OPC?

oleander soup , Mike Golden <goldenmike86 wrote:

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> Though I'm sure that this might be caused by malathion, I've noticed

that I experience numbness for a few minutes on the tip of my tongue

when I hold the oleander soup in my mouth for a few minutes. It feels

similar to one of those numbing mouthwashes/gargles my mother used to

give me as a kid when I had a sore throat. (It was called Cepacol). I

know the oleander is not contaminated, because it comes from my

brother's wooded lot where he has lived for years. I thought at first

that it was due to the vodka. When I tried it before adding the vodka

it did the same thing. Herbal bitters alcohol free) held in the mouth

do something similar to me, but nowhere near as intense. I get no

other " side effect " even with a tablespoonful.

>

> Mike Golden

September 4, 2008

I'm sure his plants were never sprayed. My brother was one of those unfortunate babies who had his "useless" thymus gland shrunk by ionizing radiation in the early 1950s when it was theorized that it might prevent "crib death" (as it was called in those days). Many of these kids got thyroid cancer. My brother became appropriately paranoid by age 21 and became a vegetarian and stays away from chemicals and the like.(Except for ethyl alcohol, unfortunately). Prior to him living on his property ( ten years ago) it was undeveloped, basically a tangle of whatever trees ended up there. He lives in the hills above L.A., so the air is probably not so great. Runoff is not possible as he lives at the top of the hill, with no properties above his own.Yes, a

similar thing happens with the OPC, but not as intense. Keep in mind that I get a weaker version of the numbness from an herbal bitter formula, the classic Swedish formula of 12 herbs. I always thought it was probably the camphor in that blend. Perhaps one of the phytohemicals in oleander has similar properties. It could be that only some people can "taste" this similar to the PTC in broccoli which some people taste as bitter and some people don't tast at all. In that case it is a genetic trait.MikeTony oleander soup Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 4:27:43 PMSubject: