my oncologist uses a dartboard

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I had a consultation with my oncologist last week, which resulted in two problems for me. My son and his fiance came with me. Because Alternatives are no longer working, I headed across the

street to the best of oncology. Alta-Bates Comprehensive Cancer Center

has a superb reputation, and my particular onco has a good rep, plus she uses top mentors. I asked my onco. for an Assay of abdominal fluid with cancer

cells, to see which chemotherapy or combo will work best. When fluid

first began to build up, both an onco in Yuba City and I could feel

lots of fluid in my abdomen, like a balloon. I immediately started to

wear a surgical corset to contain the fluid and keep it from building

up further. Roughly 10 days ago, I could no longer feel pressure from

the fluid. Good, not for me! Oops, the corset was a huge error. When I went yesterday for

that Assay, there wasn't enough ascites fluid to test. So of course, I

stopped wearing the uncomfortable corset in the hopes that fluid will

return. If not, I might need a biopsy if I choose Insulin Potential Therapy (IPT) or chemo. Not happy about that. Biopsies of solid tumors sometimes release cancer cells to create additional tumors.

Heidi, my son's fiance, emailed me a copy of her

summary Moday night. She heard something very important that I missed. Dr Sunkara

said that if toptecan doesn't work, she'll switch me to doxil.

Doxil is the chemo that did NOT put me into remission at all two

years ago! Doxil sent me on my search for alternatives! When I first

came back to the Bay Area six months ago, I saw a former onco who recommended

carboplatin combined with something else; he hadn't decided what. On my

way to Oregon in July, I saw a former onco in Yuba City who recommended avastin

plus cytoxin. When I first saw Dr. Sunkara, she recommended cisplatin

plus gemzar. She ignored my letter to her about a chemo combo that is already known to be twice as effective as any others against ovarian, and she ignored the fact that doxil didnt'do a d & %@# thing for me.

Monday sure was a bummer for me in two ways. First, I now think my onco uses a dartboard rather than any literature search for the best chemo. And second, IPT is receding into the distance. SO, I can feel my tumors growing. I have been following a strict diet, doing OPC for 3.5 months, Budwig for 2.5 years, Please spare me any suggestions about stress or spirituality. Not what I need from this group.

Queries:1. What are the Big Guns, and which alternatives are lite beer?2. Is there a list, besides here, where people are free to discuss what seems to work and not work for them?3. I now have a small bone metastesis. What herbs are best to prevent more? (I drink two cups of loose green tea. Any more and I get insomnia.

Duke, where are you. Lets compare adventures in knowledge we wish we didn't need to know. Rhoda

 

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Hi Rhoda

 

Have you considered

a consult with Vincent Gammill on the cancercured list? I don’t

think they take insurance but they have people who give grants so that those

that need treatment most can get it very, very inexpensively and sometimes for

free. Just a suggestion that you might want to pursue. J

 

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You know, if oncology doctors knew so much why do they cure so very

little? Wouldn't you think that maybe a couple of them would agree on

what chemo to use? Or pay attention and not consider one that had

already failed?

 

Fact - 75% of a typical oncologist's income comes from the markups

they get on the chemo they have and prescribe. So what do you suppose

they prescribe for just about every patient. Ironically, in one well

known survey 75% of oncologists surveyed said they would not take

chemo or prescribe it for their family because it has such a low

success rate and because of the side effects.

 

Without going back over all the posts, what have you tried besides

oleander and Budwig? Have you been tested for heavy metals and used a

metal detox? Are you using the maximum amount of OPC that is

recommended? And are you following my entire anti-cancer protocol?

 

Oleander is the biggest gun I know, but there is no magic bullet, and

the more traditional chemo and radiation or used, the less effective

all natural alternatives are.

 

As far as other " big guns " , for some laetrile is very effective, for

others Budwig or Gerson or another protocol. Many have had great

success with MMS. Quite a good number with Inositol/IP6. Still others

have had great success with the herbal formulas of Dru Browning -

which is why I recommend the Blood Support product of Jon Barron's as

part of my protocol since it contains many of the same herbs she uses.

 

Her formula can be found at: Browning's Blood Tonic - A Remedy for

Cancer and More /Brownings_Blood_Tonic.htm

 

If you do decide to go the chemo route, perhaps you can take hope in

the fact that oleander helps chemo be much more effective (and in some

instances it may be that the combination is the best route to go) and

it also helps eliminate or lessen all known side effects of chemo,

including hair loss (the sole exception at last report was that it did

not eliminate hair loss when the chemo of choice was Cisplatin).

 

Whatever you do, I urge you to not discontinue using nature - in the

end it will be naturally addressing the underlying causes of your

cancer and rebuilding of your immune system that helps you keep cancer

at bay no matter what hopefully sends it back into remission or helps

you gain an upper hand.

 

Best of all wishes and prayers,

 

 

 

oleander soup , " Rhoda Mead " <hummingbird541

wrote:

>

> I had a consultation with my oncologist last week, which resulted in two

> problems for me. My son and his fiance came with me.

> *Because Alternatives are no longer working, I headed across the

street

> to the best of oncology. Alta-Bates Comprehensive Cancer Center has

a superb

> reputation*, *and my particular onco has a good rep, plus she uses top

> mentors.* I* asked my onco. for an Assay of abdominal fluid with cancer

> cells, to see which chemotherapy or combo will work best. When fluid

first

> began to build up, both an onco in Yuba City and I could feel lots

of fluid

> in my abdomen, like a balloon. I immediately started to wear a surgical

> corset to contain the fluid and keep it from building up further.

Roughly 10

> days ago, I could no longer feel pressure from the fluid. Good, not

for me!

> Oops, the corset was a huge error. When I went yesterday for that

Assay,

> there wasn't enough ascites fluid to test. So of course, I stopped

wearing

> the uncomfortable corset in the hopes that fluid will return. If not, I

> might need a biopsy if I choose Insulin Potential Therapy (IPT) or

chemo.

> Not happy about that. Biopsies of solid tumors sometimes release cancer

> cells to create additional tumors.

> Heidi, my son's fiance, emailed me a copy of her summary Moday

night.

> She heard something very important that I missed. Dr Sunkara said

that if

> toptecan doesn't work, she'll switch me to doxil.

> Doxil is the chemo that did NOT put me into remission at all two

years

> ago! Doxil sent me on my search for alternatives! When I first came

back to

> the Bay Area six months ago, I saw a former onco who recommended

carboplatin

> combined with something else; he hadn't decided what. On my way to

Oregon in

> July, I saw a former onco in Yuba City who recommended avastin plus

cytoxin.

> When I first saw Dr. Sunkara, she recommended cisplatin plus gemzar. She

> ignored my letter to her about a chemo combo that is already known to be

> twice as effective as any others against ovarian, and she ignored

the fact

> that doxil didnt'do a d & %@# thing for me.

>

> Monday sure was a bummer for me in two ways. First, I now think

my onco

> uses a dartboard rather than any literature search for the best

chemo. And

> second, IPT is receding into the distance.

>

> SO, I can feel my tumors growing. I have been following a strict

diet,

> doing OPC for 3.5 months, Budwig for 2.5 years, Please spare me any

> suggestions about stress or spirituality. Not what I need from this

group.

>

> Queries:

> 1. What are the Big Guns, and which alternatives are lite beer?

> 2. Is there a list, besides here, where people are free to discuss what

> seems to work and not work for them?

> 3. I now have a small bone metastesis. What herbs are best to

prevent more?

> (I drink two cups of loose green tea. Any more and I get

> insomnia.

>

> Duke, where are you. Lets compare adventures in knowledge we wish we

didn't

> need to know. Rhoda

>

>

>

> *

>

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Rhoda,

 

If you haven' t already started, if I were you I'd take MMS 5 - 6 times a day. Start with two drops and work your way up to 15 or more drops at every sequence. You'll know when you've taken too much... you will have nausea or diarrhea. This isn't harmful... just back off to a level that is comfortable and try to increase more slowly. If this works it will work more quickly than anything else. DO NOT take Vit. C or other anti-oxidants while taking this, they will negate its effects. Go to

mmsdr.com for more info.

 

Good luck.

 

Bob

 

-

Rhoda Mead

oleander soup

Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:25 PM

my oncologist uses a dartboard

 

I had a consultation with my oncologist last week, which resulted in two problems for me. My son and his fiance came with me. Because Alternatives are no longer working, I headed across the street to the best of oncology. Alta-Bates Comprehensive Cancer Center has a superb reputation, and my particular onco has a good rep, plus she uses top mentors. I asked my onco. for an Assay of abdominal fluid with cancer cells, to see which chemotherapy or combo will work best. When fluid first began to build up, both an onco in Yuba City and I could feel lots of fluid in my abdomen, like a balloon. I immediately started to wear a surgical corset to contain the fluid and keep it from building up further. Roughly 10 days ago, I could no longer feel pressure from the fluid. Good, not for me! Oops, the corset was a huge error. When I went yesterday for that Assay, there wasn't enough ascites fluid to test. So of course, I stopped wearing the uncomfortable corset in the hopes that fluid will return. If not, I might need a biopsy if I choose Insulin Potential Therapy (IPT) or chemo. Not happy about that. Biopsies of solid tumors sometimes release cancer cells to create additional tumors. Heidi, my son's fiance, emailed me a copy of her summary Moday night. She heard something very important that I missed. Dr Sunkara said that if toptecan doesn't work, she'll switch me to doxil. Doxil is the chemo that did NOT put me into remission at all two years ago! Doxil sent me on my search for alternatives! When I first came back to the Bay Area six months ago, I saw a former onco who recommended carboplatin combined with something else; he hadn't decided what. On my way to Oregon in July, I saw a former onco in Yuba City who recommended avastin plus cytoxin. When I first saw Dr. Sunkara, she recommended cisplatin plus gemzar. She ignored my letter to her about a chemo combo that is already known to be twice as effective as any others against ovarian, and she ignored the fact that doxil didnt'do a d & %@# thing for me. Monday sure was a bummer for me in two ways. First, I now think my onco uses a dartboard rather than any literature search for the best chemo. And second, IPT is receding into the distance. SO, I can feel my tumors growing. I have been following a strict diet, doing OPC for 3.5 months, Budwig for 2.5 years, Please spare me any suggestions about stress or spirituality. Not what I need from this group.Queries:1. What are the Big Guns, and which alternatives are lite beer?2. Is there a list, besides here, where people are free to discuss what seems to work and not work for them?3. I now have a small bone metastesis. What herbs are best to prevent more? (I drink two cups of loose green tea. Any more and I get insomnia. Duke, where are you. Lets compare adventures in knowledge we wish we didn't need to know. Rhoda

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I want to say this about chemo, from personal experience. 18 years ago I had breast cancer. Very, very advanced (long story). I finally agreed to the mastectomy. They wanted to give me BOTH chemo and radiation. I was going to turn down both, but my family was pretty crazed, because we have had so many family women die of breast cancer, and I was just 36 years old. So, I told my Mom, who was a basket case over my disease, to choose one and she chose chemo.

 

I was set for 6 rounds of chemo. I do want to say that it didn't bother me at all--no nausea, no tiredness, my hair got thin but I did not loose it all. So truly, I could have taken all 6 rounds. I use to drive myself a half hour one way, back and forth for the treatments.

 

The day I was due for the 5th treatment, as I stepped out of the car, something happened to me that had never happened before, or since. My body LITERALLY screamed at me "NO". I should NOT have gone in for that treatment. I should have just gotten in the car and driven away. But at the time I was still a "good little girl", not wanting to inconvenience the doctors and screw up their schedule. Bah. Plus, if I had driven away, I would never have learned this about their "treatments".

 

Anyway, I went in for my treatment but knew I wasn't going to take the last one. So when the doc, after checking my blood work, started to schedule my for my 6th appointment, I told herI wasn't going to do it.

 

I totally expected a huge fight. Instead, she simply said "well, ok. You are at a good stopping point". I was shocked. I asked her what she meant by a "good stopping point".

 

She told me "from tests we know that 6 treatments are as good as 4, and you are taking the 5th treatment, so you actually have one more than the least amount. That's a good place if you want to stop".

 

I was stunned. I knew so many ladies that chemo made them terribly ll, my aunt being one, and I could not believe what the oncologist just said.

 

I looked at her and said "if six are as good as 4, why on EARTH do you make people take 6???"

 

Very calmly she said "well, it's kind of like insurance. If 4 are good, 6 is better".

 

And I thought--of COURSE, insurance! Back then our insurance company paid $2500 per treatment. That's an extra 5 grand that clinic got out of me--totally above and beyond what they even felt they needed to subject my body to. All for money--greed. Unbelievable. No one would ever get within 10 feet of me with chemo or radiation again. Ever.

 

Samala,

Renee

 

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You know, if oncology doctors knew so much why do they cure so very

little? Wouldn't you think that maybe a couple of them would agree on

what chemo to use? Or pay attention and not consider one that had

already failed?