Breast cancer and oleander

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Hello everyone,

 

Its been a while since I posted here. When I joined I had just found

out about oleander and started giving it to my mother who had

terminal colon cancer. She was extremely ill and only got through

about half a bottle so it never really had time to help. She passed

away on the 15th April. She was only 44.

 

I had just started to get my head around what happened when I got

some more bad news. My grandmother, aged 61, has been diagnosed with

breast cancer. She found out a few weeks ago and actually had the

tumour and 4 lymph nodes removed on Monday. She is scheduled to have

radiotherapy in about 4 weeks time. She is due to have more results

on Friday, these will determine if she has to have chemo and more of

the breast removed. The family seem to be in favour of going the

conventional route and I just dont know what to say to them. They

saw what happened my mum when she tried to go the alternative route

and I have a feeling that they will use this a " evidence " that

alternative therapies dont work.

 

Does anyone have any ideas of how to approach this? I dont want to

start bombarding them with information but at the same time I cant

sit back and do nothing. I was thinking about asking her oncologist

to provide research that shows that the long term effectiveness of

the chemotherapy or radiotherapy they will be giving her and if they

are more effective than none at all. I think this might dispel their

idea that everything will be fine if she just does as the doctors say

(they've already told her that they caught it early, even tho its

stage 3, and its treatable. She got the whole " tremendous advances

have been made in the last few years " bullshit story too, pardon my

french).

 

So, what to do? What is the best way of talking to a wall?

 

Thanks,

 

Simon

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Simon, you "french" is just fine. My sentiments exactly.First, I would like to offer you my heartfelt condolensces on the loss of your mother. In fact, yesterday was the third anniversary of my mother's death. I will share with you that it gets better, but it is never okay. My heart goes out to you.Your family needs to realize, and you must make it clear, that your mom was too ill for the alternative methods to work. So that, in fact, is the "evidence." Yes, I am so aware of the advances in science, etc., etc. and it is a ton of garbage. There have been no advances in science as cancer patients still die from chemo. They may have the false hope of remission for a while but no true healing. The cancer always returns. I would flatly and unequivocally state this, standing my ground with my head held up high. You may not convince them, but don't let that get you down. Because you are right.Can you talk to your grandmother? Would she be open to natural healing? That is what truly counts and together you could strengthen her immune system. Chemo does nothing other than destroy the body and seriously compromise the immune system. It just buys time while making the patient extremely ill and destroying their quality of life. Natural medicine truly heals and it sounds like your grandmother would benefit from going the natural route.Are you familiar with oleander? Do you know where to get it? Make the soup? You can purchase it at http://www.sutherlandiaopc.com and let me give you the links for the Oleander Series on The Best Years in Life website./articles.htmAnd be sure and follow Tony's Anti-Cancer Protocol.A Natural Anti-Cancer ProtocolThis is an all inclusive way to fight cancer and strengthen the immune system naturally.Lastly, I am going to include an article that Tony wrote with regard to a situation that is far too common. Please read it and possibly let your grandmother read it. If your grandmother agrees with you and is willing to go the alternate route, sometimes we need to lovingly tell our family members that we will do it our way, thank you. I realize how hard it is to withstand pressure from those nearest and dearest to us, our family.http://www.naturalnews.com/023663.htmlTalk to your grandmother, she is very capable of making her own decisions and loving family members need to realize this. And talk to your family. I would doubt that the doctor would provide any statistics on long term effectiveness with regard to chemo. In fact, all their statistics are nothing but a smokescreen anyway, as they consider anybody that survives five years with cancer to be cured. And this does not take remission or disappearance of cancer into account. If the patient lives for five years even though they still have cancer, it goes down on their books as "cured." Even if they die one day after the five years is up. They consider them cured.Simon, I applaud you for what you are about to do. Talk to your grandmother first. And to your family. Stand your ground and try not to let pressure or intimidation get to you. Believe me, I know how hard it is. I have been there. But in the end we must live by this adage.... "To thine own self be true."Hugs,oleander soup , "simonflynn22" <simon041082 wrote:>> Hello everyone,> > Its been a while since I posted here. When I joined I had just found > out about oleander and started giving it to my mother who had > terminal colon cancer. She was extremely ill and only got through > about half a bottle so it never really had time to help. She passed > away on the 15th April. She was only 44. > > I had just started to get my head around what happened when I got > some more bad news. My grandmother, aged 61, has been diagnosed with > breast cancer. She found out a few weeks ago and actually had the > tumour and 4 lymph nodes removed on Monday. She is scheduled to have > radiotherapy in about 4 weeks time. She is due to have more results > on Friday, these will determine if she has to have chemo and more of > the breast removed. The family seem to be in favour of going the > conventional route and I just dont know what to say to them. They > saw what happened my mum when she tried to go the alternative route > and I have a feeling that they will use this a "evidence" that > alternative therapies dont work. > > Does anyone have any ideas of how to approach this? I dont want to > start bombarding them with information but at the same time I cant > sit back and do nothing. I was thinking about asking her oncologist > to provide research that shows that the long term effectiveness of > the chemotherapy or radiotherapy they will be giving her and if they > are more effective than none at all. I think this might dispel their > idea that everything will be fine if she just does as the doctors say > (they've already told her that they caught it early, even tho its > stage 3, and its treatable. She got the whole "tremendous advances > have been made in the last few years" bullshit story too, pardon my > french).> > So, what to do? What is the best way of talking to a wall?> > Thanks,> > Simon>

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Simon,I am very sad to hear about your mother's passing at such a young age. And about your grandmother's diagnosis.My wife and I have several friends and acquaintances who have announced that they were diagnosed with some form of cancer. In every instance, almost, we have let it be known that, if they're interested in exploring and hearing more about alternative treatments that have worked for others, we would be glad to sit with them and go over these. Most simply smile and politely thank us. And then rush to their doctors and undertake the traditional therapies. One person, in fact, was so sure that receiving chemo was going to solve her problem that she actually asked the doctor to administer to her the strongest dosages.So, over the years, we've continued at least letting people know that we're available, but, in the end, have backed off because during this very emotional period in their lives (and it's very painful and emotional in ours to sit back and watch without being able to lend a hand) they have to make the decision that sits best with themselves. Many people want to believe a) that the doctor can pull off some miracle and they'll recover without having to take the drastic actions of changing diets or altering lifestyles -- so they go for the quick-fix. And by the way, a whole lot of doctors seem to enjoy being in the position, no matter how briefly, of having people perceive of them that they really can do these things. And sometimes the traditional therapies do work. It's not 100% that they always fail, and b) that, in the end, they (the patient) can say they exhausted all medical science's knowledge on the treatment for their specific condition. When, in fact, they didn't because medical science is like a vehicle we've followed on the highway where the vehicle ahead of us leans to one side due to broken shock or spring. Very lopsided and uneven and, at the same time, the driver of that vehicle may have no understanding that s/he is driving a seriously out-of-skewed jalopie.You should talk to the oncologist. Find out if there's one in your area that would be amenable to having your grandmother take some alternative treatments before the onslaught of chemo; say it's for the purpose of "stabilizing" her immune system before she comes in for the big "cure." Appeal to the physician's ego here.Best wishes to you and your family in this very trying and frustrating period.God bless you all.Allen> oleander soup > simon041082 Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:32:00 +0000> Breast cancer and oleander> > Hello everyone,> > Its been a while since I posted here. When I joined I had just found > out about oleander and started giving it to my mother who had > terminal colon cancer. She was extremely ill and only got through > about half a bottle so it never really had time to help. She passed > away on the 15th April. She was only 44. > > I had just started to get my head around what happened when I got > some more bad news. My grandmother, aged 61, has been diagnosed with > breast cancer. She found out a few weeks ago and actually had the > tumour and 4 lymph nodes removed on Monday. She is scheduled to have > radiotherapy in about 4 weeks time. She is due to have more results > on Friday, these will determine if she has to have chemo and more of > the breast removed. The family seem to be in favour of going the > conventional route and I just dont know what to say to them. They > saw what happened my mum when she tried to go the alternative route > and I have a feeling that they will use this a "evidence" that > alternative therapies dont work. > > Does anyone have any ideas of how to approach this? I dont want to > start bombarding them with information but at the same time I cant > sit back and do nothing. I was thinking about asking her oncologist > to provide research that shows that the long term effectiveness of > the chemotherapy or radiotherapy they will be giving her and if they > are more effective than none at all. I think this might dispel their > idea that everything will be fine if she just does as the doctors say > (they've already told her that they caught it early, even tho its > stage 3, and its treatable. She got the whole "tremendous advances > have been made in the last few years" bullshit story too, pardon my > french).> > So, what to do? What is the best way of talking to a wall?> > Thanks,> > Simon> > > ---> >

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Simon -I am so sorry to hear about your mom. A half a bottle's worth is simply not enough time at all for someone with really advanced cancer. Did she have prior chemo? What did they say the actual cause of death was (of course they will say she died from cancer, but I was wondering if perhaps a major organ failed or some other cause happened that may not have been directly due to the cancer).If your family is determined to use one incidence of too short of a time for natural healing as an excuse, I wonder what they would say about the millions of failures to cure via chemo and all the millions of deaths actually caused by chemo.Put it this way - what if someone said, "We have a treatment that seldom achieves a long term remission and kills more people than it saves" - would YOU try it?The best I can tell you is to perhaps refer them to these articles:Modern Medicine versus Nature in Treating CancerHiding the Truth about Losing the War on CancerCan You Trust Chemotherapy to Cure Your Cancer? I hope that perhaps someone will listen.Tonyoleander soup , "simonflynn22" <simon041082 wrote:>> Hello everyone,> > Its been a while since I posted here. When I joined I had just found > out about oleander and started giving it to my mother who had > terminal colon cancer. She was extremely ill and only got through > about half a bottle so it never really had time to help. She passed > away on the 15th April. She was only 44. > > I had just started to get my head around what happened when I got > some more bad news. My grandmother, aged 61, has been diagnosed with > breast cancer. She found out a few weeks ago and actually had the > tumour and 4 lymph nodes removed on Monday. She is scheduled to have > radiotherapy in about 4 weeks time. She is due to have more results > on Friday, these will determine if she has to have chemo and more of > the breast removed. The family seem to be in favour of going the > conventional route and I just dont know what to say to them. They > saw what happened my mum when she tried to go the alternative route > and I have a feeling that they will use this a "evidence" that > alternative therapies dont work. > > Does anyone have any ideas of how to approach this? I dont want to > start bombarding them with information but at the same time I cant > sit back and do nothing. I was thinking about asking her oncologist > to provide research that shows that the long term effectiveness of > the chemotherapy or radiotherapy they will be giving her and if they > are more effective than none at all. I think this might dispel their > idea that everything will be fine if she just does as the doctors say > (they've already told her that they caught it early, even tho its > stage 3, and its treatable. She got the whole "tremendous advances > have been made in the last few years" bullshit story too, pardon my > french).> > So, what to do? What is the best way of talking to a wall?> > Thanks,> > Simon>

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Hi Tony and all,

 

My mother had chemo and radiotherapy three years ago when she first

had cancer. After that she started working with a naturopath and

cleaned up her act. When she was diagnosed as terminal in Nov 07 she

had already decided she was going to heal herself without

chemo/radiotherapy. However, the day she was diagnosed she was

started on a course of radiotherapy as a tumour had almost eaten

through her spine. she had one more course of radiotherapy in Feb 08

to try and alleviate pain but that just made things worse and and had

absolutely no effect on the tumour (neither did the first course of

radiotherapy but hey, its more money for someone).

 

I agree, half a bottle is nowhere near enough, however she had to

stop taking the oleander as a tumour in her throat resulted in

food/water going straight into the lungs. During the two weeks she

took the oleander she actually improved slightly. Her pulse and heart

rate normalised, they had been extremely weak for weeks before.

 

They wrote that the actual cause of death was by " advanced colo-

rectal cancer " . However, I think it was her liver that went first as

I heard the doctors saying that they had stopped monitoring it as the

data had gone " off the charts " .

 

Thanks for all the advice guys, I'm gonna gather all the info

together and try my best!

 

Regards,

 

Simon

 

 

 

oleander soup , " Tony " wrote:

>

> Simon -

>

> I am so sorry to hear about your mom. A half a bottle's worth is

simply

> not enough time at all for someone with really advanced cancer.

Did she

> have prior chemo? What did they say the actual cause of death was

(of

> course they will say she died from cancer, but I was wondering if

> perhaps a major organ failed or some other cause happened that may

not

> have been directly due to the cancer).

>

> If your family is determined to use one incidence of too short of a

time

> for natural healing as an excuse, I wonder what they would say

about the

> millions of failures to cure via chemo and all the millions of

deaths

> actually caused by chemo.

>

> Put it this way - what if someone said, " We have a treatment that

seldom

> achieves a long term remission and kills more people than it

saves " -

> would YOU try it?

>

> The best I can tell you is to perhaps refer them to these articles:

>

> Mo </MMvsNature.htm> dern Medicine versus

Nature in

> Treating Cancer </MMvsNature.htm>

>

> Hiding the Truth about Losing the War on Cancer

> <http://tbyil.com/waroncancer.htm>

> Can You Trust Chemotherapy to Cure Your Cancer?

> <http://www.naturalnews.com/023689.html> I hope that perhaps

someone

> will listen.

>

> >

 

>

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Simon,

 

The cat is already out of the bag. Your GM has already been

significantly treated using conventional medical techniques. I hate

to say this but you're probably better off to stay out of it. If you

introduce altrnatives at this point they will be blamed when she

passes away.

 

Sorry to be so blunt but that's the way it is.

 

Phil

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oleander soup , " simonflynn22 " <simon041082

wrote:

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> Its been a while since I posted here. When I joined I had just found

> out about oleander and started giving it to my mother who had

> terminal colon cancer. She was extremely ill and only got through

> about half a bottle so it never really had time to help. She passed

> away on the 15th April. She was only 44.

>

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Allen:

I understand your dilemma

 

I am on my third bottle of oleander and wondered if you had had personal success with it or could put me in contact with someone who has. I have had no reaction to it yet. I started taking 1 tablespoon three times a day with the first bottle.

 

Duke Stone

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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allen hahn <allen_hahnRE: Breast cancer and oleanderoleander soup Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 7:19 PM

 

 

Simon,I am very sad to hear about your mother's passing at such a young age. And about your grandmother' s diagnosis.My wife and I have several friends and acquaintances who have announced that they were diagnosed with some form of cancer. In every instance, almost, we have let > out about oleander and started giving it to my mother who had > terminal colon cancer. She was extremely ill and only got through > about half a bo

 

 

 

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When you say you have had no reaction to it yet, are you comparing medical test data or just saying that you feel no differently than when you started?A number of people here in this forum have had success with oleander and several have posted about it. One of the success stories is my own 85 year old uncle. Would you like his phone number (privately)?Nothing is 100% guaranteed, but MOST people do notice a difference and most people beat cancer when they take oleander. How long it takes to notice a difference can vary widely, though most do within two months. Some take longer and some appear to notice a difference very quickly.Here is part of a post from within the past week on my CureZone forum:"I want to thank you for your shared knowledge and for everyone's contribution.This is my first post on this site and I'd like to share my fresh experience:About 10 days ago, I started feeling without energy. I couldn't stay awake for more than 2 hours at a time! and lost my appetite. I began suspecting I have something serious, possibly cancer, so on the following Sunday, I dragged myself to an Oleander bush that luckily grows 5 minutes walk from my home. I prepared the soup and although had some problems with the filtering process, it came out OK. For the first two days, I only took a quarter or third of a teaspoon, three times a day. I noticed a slight change so I decided to take the leap and took a full teaspoon, twice a day. In a matter of one day, my energy levels returned to normal and I could stay awake the whole day. My appetite was still zero and I had to make myself eat some salad and some fruit.. . . Now I feel like new, very alert, no pain what so ever, slightly more appetite and still taking two teaspoons of Oleander soup every day.The doctor wants me to take a blood analysis and ultrasound and I'll obviously comply but we probably missed the "real" picture several days ago.A year ago I lost my mother after three battles with cancer that took 3 years. I'm very familiar with the symptoms, the obvious and those we ignored out of ignorance. I can't prove it but I'm sure the Oleander soup made the difference and helped me avoid hospitalization or worst. I wish I knew about it when my mom was alive.Thank you!"Tonyoleander soup , Duke Stone <dukesdeals wrote:>> Allen:> I understand your dilemma> > I am on my third bottle of oleander and wondered if you had had personal success with it or could put me in contact with someone who has. I have had no reaction to it yet. I started taking 1 tablespoon three times a day with the first bottle.> > Duke Stone> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/30/08, allen hahn allen_hahn wrote:> > allen hahn allen_hahn RE: Breast cancer and oleander> oleander soup > Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 7:19 PM> > > > > > > Simon,> > I am very sad to hear about your mother's passing at such a young age. And about your grandmother' s diagnosis.> > My wife and I have several friends and acquaintances who have announced that they were diagnosed with some form of cancer. In every instance, almost, we have let > > out about oleander and started giving it to my mother who had > > terminal colon cancer. She was extremely ill and only got through > > about half a bo> > > > Recent Activity> > > 24> New MembersVisit Your Group > > > Health> Achy Joint?> Common arthritis> myths debunked.> > Meditation and> Lovingkindness> A Group> to share and learn.> > Ads on > Learn more now.> Reach customers> searching for you.> .>