Guest guest Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Tony, Thank you for your prompt and useful response, which was exactly what I was looking for -- and what I expected. For some reason, others out there are choose not to present what they have to say in the public forum. I decided to post one such interchange (below), if the moderator consents to do so. I appreciate the sound advice given. At the same time, I am concerned that many of you may have missed the point of my posting. I was not in any way suggesting that any of the alternative methods I have tried thus far are not working. In particular, I believe that Protocel achieved much against great odds. It took two years for me to get back to the starting point in my treatment program because of a wrong-headed decision at the outset to go with one of the options presented in mainstream medicine. After two years and four months, the PSA doubling time remains essentially the same. That is not failure, at least in my opinion. It is also not the success I am seeking. I posted my results for all to see because there are some out there who know a lot more than I do about how to interpret these numbers properly. I will post a more complete picture as soon as the rest of the lab results are in hand. I personally count this as an opportunity to see whether or not oleander does what Tony claims it does IN A SPECIFIC CONTROLLED SITUATION TAKING PLACE IN THE CONTEXT OF A MAJOR CANCER CENTER. I am fortunate that I found an oncologist who is not afraid of high PSA numbers and determined to " normalize " them with hormone therapy. It is easy to get one's PSA down into the so-called " normal " range, as I found out after taking that first injection of Zoladex in the office of my oncologist the very day he gave me the bad news of my biopsy report. That biopsy was done at my request, not his. Unfortunately, I knew virtually nothing at that point about the field of alternative medicine. Here's an opportunity for the rest of you to play the role of consultant and help me design an experiment that shows whether or not oleander works in terms of reversing prostate cancer. I hope it does, but if it proves to be ineffective, there are still a growing number of options out there -- all of them better than the two options my oncologist presented me on June 29, 2006: surgery or radiation. Hi Blake, I think you missed the point of my posting. I have no reason to believe that any of the things I have tried thus far have failed. I shared a personal journey because I want to discuss the issues with others and see if we can get some hard facts on the table to look at. I have not yet won the battle against prostate cancer because I made a wrong headed decision at the outset to go with mainstream medicine. I consequently spent many months getting back to the starting point. I do not count this is failure in any sense of that word. I remain convinced that there are dozens of therapies out there that work. I am trying to find the ones that work best for me. This is an opportunity for Tony and others in that group to get involved in a specific well-controlled situation taking place within the context of a major cancer center to show whether or not oleander does what he claims it does. Note: I personally believe that crinum is no better option than PCSpes and its sister products in treating prostate cancer. As the late Dr. John R. Lee put it in 2003: " Some people even think that PSA elevation is bad and should be reduced. An example is the company that produced a drug called PCSpes, which inhibits PSA production and causes breast development. In the past, I have challenged that company to produce evidence that using the drug will lower the morality or extend the survival of men using the drug. No such evidence exists, to my knowledge. This is an example of blaming the messenger rather than understanding the message. " HORMONE BALANCE FOR MEN (2003), p. 20. I am not interested in lowering my PSA as such but rather in getting rid of PCa (prostate cancer). Let's see if oleander does what so many of you say it does. Duane ******* blake frederick wrote: > > Duane; > > > > It seems you've tried about everything to no avail. Maybe the Crinum Latifolium may work: > > > Also, it is important to reduce your copper to halt tumor growth in alot of cases. I can't imagine reducing copper interfering with any other protocols. I've included this information at the end of the email. > > > I do believe the grouppekurosawa protocol is worth looking into also. It's very scientific and cutting edge. If all else fails, there is IV polymva. Keep the group posted. I'm very sorry to here protocel failed for you. Vincent Gammill is worth contacting on the cancercured group. 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But weve never focused on traditional Vietnamese medicine... until now. > > We recently learned about one of its most valuable herbs called crinum latifolium. Apparently, its so revered in Vietnam that it used to be reserved only for royalty and was known both as the Medicine for the Kings Palace and the Royal Female Herb. > > Those traditional references actually highlight one of crinums most unique aspects its ability to help both sexes by targeting prostate and ovarian problems. Crinum is so established and widely used as a treatment for prostate and ovary diseases in Vietnam that their crops of the herb are generally prohibited from being exported. > > Thats why were delighted to introduce Healthy Prostate & Ovary one of the first crinum products we know of thats recently become available in the UK. As well as crinum it also contains five other herbs alisima plantagoquatica, astragalus, momordica charantia, carica papaya leaf, and annona muricata leaf all known for their immune- and energy-boosting effects. > > *Promising results in the fight against prostate cancer* > Although most of the research on crinum focuses on men, it all started when the Hoang family studied its effect on ovarian health. Dr. Kha Hoang was the Chief Teacher and medical doctor for the Vietnamese royal family. In 1984 his daughter had so many cysts on one of her ovaries that surgery was planned to remove it. Dr. Hoang gave her a tea made with crinum leaves to drink, and about six weeks later the cysts were gone. > > Today, three generations of the Hoang family are integrated medicine practitioners. The family has used crinum together with other supportive herbs in treating a variety of prostate and ovarian conditions. Biopsies confirmed 16 cases of advanced prostate cancer were completely cured regardless of prostate specific antigen (PSA) levels. In fact, sometimes PSA levels go up in men taking crinum, even though testing shows that their prostate cells are normal and healthy. > > That is exactly what happened to Ken Malik, the co-founder and Executive Director of the Prostate Awareness Foundation, a non-profit organisation based in San Francisco in the US. In his own battle with prostate cancer, Malik chose to take the natural approach opting for a therapeutic regimen of nutrition and exercise. He also used the herbal supplement PC Spes for eight years and found doing so stabilised his condition. > > PC Spes was a herbal formula that showed remarkable results in treating prostate problems. Recently though, it was pulled from the market after researchers discovered that some PC Spes products claiming to be all-natural actually contained synthetic, potentially harmful substances. Malik began his search for a replacement, which led him to crinum. > > *92.6% success rate when it comes to reducing BPH symptoms > *Malik started taking crinum in January 2002 and, over the course of the next 10 months, his PSA actually increased. Most of the time, this would be cause for concern. But Maliks most recent biopsy showed only healthy tissue. His experience might add some support to recent reports that claim the PSA test might not be the best indicator of prostate cancer risk. Malik was excited enough about his own experience to organise a small informal trial with 10 members of the Prostate Awareness Foundation. > > Participants were told to take nine crinum tablets each day for three months. All 10 noted some kind of functional improvement. Not everyone experiences elevated PSA levels using crinum. Sometimes its benefits follow a more predictable path, like the testimonial from a 58-year-old man who had a PSA of 93 when he went to his urologist for treatment. > > Hed waited so long that his cancer had spread to his bones, intestines, and lymph nodes. He was placed on an aggressive herbal programme that included crinum. After just four months, his PSA was down to 0.9 and the symptoms hed been experiencing difficulty urinating, swelling in his legs, and extreme fatigue had all disappeared. > > Crinum can also help alleviate the symptoms of benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) an enlarged prostate. The main symptom of BPH is frequent and sometimes painful urination. There are over 500 individual case histories of successful crinum treatment for BPH. And after seven years of research, the International Hospital in Vietnam reported that 92.6 per cent of patients had good results using crinum for BPH (confirmed by measurements of prostate size and clinical evaluation by urologists).1 > > *Crinum may help reverse PCOS symptoms like low libido* > Clinical research on women taking crinum is much more sparse, but HSI did talk to Dr. Tom Dorman who has seen promising results after prescribing crinum for his female patients suffering from specific disorders, such as polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS). > > He recounted one case history of a woman who came to his office looking for help with her PCOS symptoms, which included irregular periods, decreased sex drive, weight loss, and excessive facial hair growth stimulated by an increase in male hormones. > > After two months of taking crinum, her menstruation and weight normalised, her facial hair diminished, and her sex drive returned. This account is even more remarkable when you consider that crinum was the only treatment she was using. Although this one case cant confirm that crinum is responsible for the health benefits, it does suggest that it may provide an option for women. > > *Boosts immunity by encouraging your cells to communicate* > Researchers believe crinum works at the simplest level your cells. The human body contains about 70 trillion cells, which each maintain their own existence and make vital contributions to your health. But in order for your body to function properly, all of those cells must communicate. > > For instance, your muscles must contract only when your brain sends a message to contract and not at any other time. Cells also communicate with one another to determine the correct balance of cell proliferation and apoptosis, or death. Basically, theyre constantly working together to regulate how many cells you have and how healthy they are at any given moment. > > But if your cells arent communicating properly, apoptosis may not happen the way it should, which means that unhealthy, even cancerous, cells can continue to thrive and mutate. Recent experiments show that crinum extract helps cells produce a substance called neopterin, which they send out to communicate with immune cells, calling them into action against cancer and other foreign invaders.2 > > *What to take for best results* > The recommended dosage for Healthy Prostate & Ovary is three 600mg tablets taken three times a day. If youre battling cancer or any other serious illness, it is important that you consult your doctor before using this product. > > 1. The Journal of Health Ministry of Vietnam, December 20, 2002, N 207 > 2. 2. 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We first learned of it when searching for a treatment for close family friend. Paul was diagnosed with malignant pleural mesothelioma (asbestos cancer) and given about 9 months to live. Doctors said they could do little to help him. > We focused on stopping vascularization of the tumor, known as antiangiogenesis. Green tea extract is an example. Paul started all these things but nothing worked and the tumor kept growing. We then discovered the work done by Doctor George Brewer of the University of Michigan. Dr. Brewer found that tetrathiomolydate, a compound that binds up copper easily with essentially no side effects, worked remarkably well in stopping vascularization of tumors. > > http://www.hg.med.umich.edu/faculty/brewer.php <http://www.hg.med.umich.edu/faculty/brewer.php> > > http://www.medicineatmichigan.org/magazine/2000/summer/huron/06huron.asp > Previous to starting TM, we suggested that Paul get his serum zinc and copper levels determined. Normally these levels are about equal. But many studies have shown that in aggressive tumors the ratio of copper to zinc is 5 to 1. And that was what Paul's ratio was! By taking zinc supplements and TM, he changed his copper to zinc ratio to 1 to 5. The tumor stopped growing, and has not grown since. Paul lives a normal life, taking his zinc and TM, with no side effects. He is living with cancer and has now for nearly three years. > TM must be made by a 'compounding pharmacist'. TM is also not patentable, so no large company is pursuing it. I highly recommend you research TM. > > http://george-eby-research.com/html/anti_ang.html is an excellent article on the topic. > TM can be obtained from a compounding pharmacist. This is an email link to Wayne Loveland <http://us.mc511.mail./mc/compose?to=rxcenter (AT) charter (DOT) net> of Wisconsin. Please feel free to contact this site with the names and contacts for other pharmacists, anywhere in the world, who can help provide TM. > > Paul takes four 20 mg tablets of TM daily, 2 in the morning and two at night, for a total of 80 mg/day. > He takes 200 mg of zinc daily. (And DCA and tributyrin now. July 2007 ) > Paul Update, November 14, 2007. Still doing well. Paul still on TM, zinc and TB. He takes DCA more rarely now. Cancer appears stable..But Paul was having some periodic issues with weakness in his legs. Ilene and I did some research and learned that zinc supplementation lowers magnesium and potassium levels. I have a quick summary of this information on this (click here <http://www.thedcasite.com/zinc_magnesium_levels.html>) web page. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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