repeat post. Please - need advice

[Guest guest]

 

Please let me know if you think that Sutherlandia effects/improves depression. I really need to know if I need to look at theroadback.org stuff now!! Please, please let me know. I think that the meds have just quit working and I feel awful.

 

 

Tony or May,

As yet I have not been able to get off the antidepressants and sleeping meds.(I hate them but

I know that I cannot just cut back, I know that it has to be a taper). The benzo one that I am

on is one of the worst ones to get off of - lol! Dr. Heather Ashton has a clinic in UK for

withdrawal from benzo drugs. I have found an org here that helps with that

"theroadback.org" complete with taper schedule and nutritionals to balance the system while

getting off the drugs.I feel that I have a bigger health issue with my low blood count to deal

with first. We know that it is not AIDS, and several other things but a return of cancer has not

been ruled out and I don't know that I want to go through their radiation battery to find out.

No night sweats or anything else that would indicate cancer, no digestion problems. My

question is: Does the Sutherlandia OPC help with depression? I would like to feel that I will

also get some help with that as well (I don't want to increase my dose of any of these

nasties). I am doing the rest of the protocol, however. I have felt too tired to do cleanses or

flushes. i have all the stuff to do parasite cleanse, colon and kidney cleanse. I intend to be a

much healthier, happier (no meds) person soon. Janna

[Guest guest]

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Has anyone else gotten off of antidepressants, etc while doing flushes and  parasite cleanses? Can they be done at the same time? What order is best? Suggestions for anxiety and insomnia other than more meds (have tried melatonin, kava, etc - I don't think that they are supposed to be taken with pharma stuff)? So, what works without driving one over the edge with withdrawal? If you don't want to post, please email me privately. I would really appreciate it. Janna

Please let me know if you think that Sutherlandia effects/improves depression. I really need to know if I need to look at theroadback.org stuff now!! Please, please let me know. I think that the meds have just quit working and I feel awful.

 

 

Tony or May,

As yet I have not been able to get off the antidepressants and sleeping meds.(I hate them but

I know that I cannot just cut back, I know that it has to be a taper). The benzo one that I am

on is one of the worst ones to get off of - lol! Dr. Heather Ashton has a clinic in UK for

withdrawal from benzo drugs. I have found an org here that helps with that

"theroadback.org" complete with taper schedule and nutritionals to balance the system while

getting off the drugs.I feel that I have a bigger health issue with my low blood count to deal

with first. We know that it is not AIDS, and several other things but a return of cancer has not

been ruled out and I don't know that I want to go through their radiation battery to find out.

No night sweats or anything else that would indicate cancer, no digestion problems. My

question is: Does the Sutherlandia OPC help with depression? I would like to feel that I will

also get some help with that as well (I don't want to increase my dose of any of these

nasties). I am doing the rest of the protocol, however. I have felt too tired to do cleanses or

flushes. i have all the stuff to do parasite cleanse, colon and kidney cleanse. I intend to be a

much healthier, happier (no meds) person soon. Janna

[Guest guest]

Janna, sorry you have not had any replies yet, but the Patient Rights Advocacy in Waikato NZ suggests CalMag and have a recipe for making it up cheaply. They have helped many to withdraw from the use of benzos. I have a hard copy of the recipe somewhere - it has helped 3 friends so far. Will post it as soon as I find it and perhaps someone knowledgeable could comment on the safety of ingredients. You could contact them at:

 

65 Tawa Street, Hamilton, New ZealandTelephone: International + 64 – 7 – 8435837Contact: Anna de JongeEmail: rens.dejAll the best,

Maracuja

 

"cr8iveart" <cr8iveartoleander soup Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 3:29:42 PMRe: repeat post. Please - need advice

 

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Has anyone else gotten off of antidepressants, etc while doing flushes and parasite cleanses? Can they be done at the same time? What order is best? Suggestions for anxiety and insomnia other than more meds (have tried melatonin, kava, etc - I don't think that they are supposed to be taken with pharma stuff)? So, what works without driving one over the edge with withdrawal? If you don't want to post, please email me privately. I would really appreciate it. Janna

 

Please let me know if you think that Sutherlandia effects/improves depression. I really need to know if I need to look at theroadback.org stuff now!! Please, please let me know. I think that the meds have just quit working and I feel awful.

 

Tony or May,As yet I have not been able to get off the antidepressants and sleeping meds.(I hate them but I know that I cannot just cut back, I know that it has to be a taper). The benzo one that I am on is one of the worst ones to get off of - lol! Dr. Heather Ashton has a clinic in UK for withdrawal from benzo drugs. I have found an org here that helps with that "theroadback. org" complete with taper schedule and nutritionals to balance the system while getting off the drugs.I feel that I have a bigger health issue with my low blood count to deal with first. We know that it is not AIDS, and several other things but a return of cancer has not been ruled out and I don't know that I want to go through their radiation battery to find out. No night sweats or anything else that would indicate cancer, no digestion problems. My question is: Does the Sutherlandia OPC help with depression? I would like to feel

that I will also get some help with that as well (I don't want to increase my dose of any of these nasties). I am doing the rest of the protocol, however. I have felt too tired to do cleanses or flushes. i have all the stuff to do parasite cleanse, colon and kidney cleanse. I intend to be a much healthier, happier (no meds) person soon. Janna

[Guest guest]

Janna, bless your heart, first of all, I have heard that you should not do cleanses when withdrawing from antidepressants. I could be wrong, so I would appreciate someone correcting me if I am wrong.If you are on any type of prescription drugs, I strongly advise against any herbs, kava kava, melatonin, etc. as you don't know how they will interact and you risk getting very ill. Once off the meds, these supplements work wonderfully when needed.You are free to email me at luellamay128 at anytime. My mail gets a bit crowded at times and I do not want to miss your email should you contact me.What I would suggest you do is take these supplements, first and foremost.Colloidal GoldTrace MineralsOmega 3'siodine

supplementationThese four supplements alone will work to balance your nervous system and brain chemistry.Other supplements I would suggest are a multivitamin/multimineral as a base and CoQ10Also, you must eat a complete natural diet, no sugars, sweets, processed foods, fast foods, sodas, sweeteners. Eat as much raw as you can, with some cooked meat (no red meat). Say 80% raw, 20% cooked consisting of chicken and fresh water fish. And Janna, are you talking to a therapist? One that really helps? This is so necessary and is really not being done anymore. Doctors are relying on drugs. And then when I was battling panic and anxiety, I really never found one that helped. What I know is from research and studying my own actions, reactions, and figuring out the why's. I withdrew from Paxil and I did it by myself because my doctor would not support me. Yet, I did

a lot of studying before I underwent this process because I had to know the withdrawal symptoms and at what pace I should go,. I ended withdrawing 5 mgs a month and it took me 8 months. I will say that with the above supplements (except for colloidal gold, I hadn't been introduced to it at this point, but that will stabilize you so much better) and with my diet my withdrawal from Paxil went rather smoothly. My withdrawal symptoms were very few and although annoying, were quite tolerable.I also joined a forum for support in withdrawing from Paxil. I would advise looking up a forum to help you withdraw from the benzo drugs. However, I would also advise that you undergo this process under the supervision of a health practitioner. Don't do like me.... I tend to beat to a different drum. And Janna, it is a slow process. Had I had severe withdrawal symptoms, I would have taken longer to go down a

dose or maybe upped a dose until I felt better. I do not and never have believed in "white knuckling" anything. All healing, must be done with love and nurturing, even loving and nurturing oneself.The forums should have the "reduction schedules" but remember, you may have to individualize them to fit your needs. And your health care practitioner should also be able to help you reduce.And I am going to tell you this is very doable. But it does take time.First thing to do is to become nutritionally sound with diet and supplements. In healing, emotional issues must also be addressed, as this condition is a delicate balance between the physical and emotional. What fears are still present? With a panic disorder, "fear" has become "automatic" where in essence it is now blurred and we cannot recognize the actual fear behind the anxiety, short circuiting our nervous system. If we

are nutritionally sound, our bodies are able to withstand this attack better. If we subsist on processed and junk foods, it is a losing battle, as many of the additives, sweeteners, etc. will also add to these symptoms, if not be totally responsible for our condition. In some instances (although not many) anxiety and panic is purely physical.But we must learn to think and see things in a different light and address our fears, whether real or irrational. Again, this is all very doable, but it does take time. Sometimes, just understanding our fears and why we react to things works wonders.So all in all Janna, I hope I have helped you. Please, by all means, feel free to email me at any time. Panic and anxiety is a very intricate and complex issue, as it deals with the emotional and the physical. Many times a traumatic event is responsible, it rocks our world to the very point that our very soul is

wounded and then snowballs to affect us physically.I hope I have explained this well. And I hope that you I have helped you. And hey........ You can do it....... But with love. First requisite is that you must love and accept yourself for who and what you are at this very moment. Whether healthy or ill. And go from there towards healing.Love and Hugs, May Need a break? Relax at 's CornerThese are The Best Years in LifeColloidal Silver/Supplements Utopia SilverCome visit Curezone Health Forum andCancer Natural Health Forum at "cr8iveart" <cr8iveartTo:

oleander soup Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:29:42 PMRe: repeat post. Please - need adviceAny suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Has anyone else gotten off of antidepressants, etc while doing flushes and parasite cleanses? Can they be done at the same time? What order is best? Suggestions for anxiety and insomnia other than more meds (have tried melatonin, kava, etc - I don't think that they are supposed to be taken with pharma stuff)? So, what works without driving one over the edge with withdrawal? If you don't want to post, please email me privately. I would really appreciate it. JannaPlease let me know if you think that Sutherlandia effects/improves depression. I really need to know if I need to look at theroadback.org stuff now!! Please, please let me know. I think that the meds have just quit working and I feel awful.Tony or May,

As yet I have not been able to get off the antidepressants and sleeping meds.(I hate them but

I know that I cannot just cut back, I know that it has to be a taper). The benzo one that I am

on is one of the worst ones to get off of - lol! Dr. Heather Ashton has a clinic in UK for

withdrawal from benzo drugs. I have found an org here that helps with that

"theroadback. org" complete with taper schedule and nutritionals to balance the system while

getting off the drugs.I feel that I have a bigger health issue with my low blood count to deal

with first. We know that it is not AIDS, and several other things but a return of cancer has not

been ruled out and I don't know that I want to go through their radiation battery to find out.

No night sweats or anything else that would indicate cancer, no digestion problems. My

question is: Does the Sutherlandia OPC help with depression? I would like to feel that I will

also get some help with that as well (I don't want to increase my dose of any of these

nasties). I am doing the rest of the protocol, however. I have felt too tired to do cleanses or

flushes. i have all the stuff to do parasite cleanse, colon and kidney cleanse. I intend to be a

much healthier, happier (no meds) person soon. Janna

[Guest guest]

Thanks - I have heard that the right balance of Cal/Mag works for calming nerves and muscles. I would love the recipe if you find it, You can send it off the forum if you wish. Thanks so much. Janna

 

-------------- Original message from Maracuja <howdurdago: --------------

 

 

 

Janna, sorry you have not had any replies yet, but the Patient Rights Advocacy in Waikato NZ suggests CalMag and have a recipe for making it up cheaply. They have helped many to withdraw from the use of benzos. I have a hard copy of the recipe somewhere - it has helped 3 friends so far. Will post it as soon as I find it and perhaps someone  knowledgeable could comment on the safety of ingredients. You could contact them at:

 

65 Tawa Street, Hamilton, New ZealandTelephone: International + 64 – 7 – 8435837Contact: Anna de JongeEmail: rens.dej (AT) clear (DOT) net.nzAll the best,

Maracuja 

 

"cr8iveart (AT) bellsouth (DOT) net" <cr8iveart (AT) bellsouth (DOT) net>oleander soup Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 3:29:42 PMRe: repeat post. Please - need advice

 

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Has anyone else gotten off of antidepressants, etc while doing flushes and  parasite cleanses? Can they be done at the same time? What order is best? Suggestions for anxiety and insomnia other than more meds (have tried melatonin, kava, etc - I don't think that they are supposed to be taken with pharma stuff)? So, what works without driving one over the edge with withdrawal? If you don't want to post, please email me privately. I would really appreciate it. Janna

 

Please let me know if you think that Sutherlandia effects/improves depression. I really need to know if I need to look at theroadback.org stuff now!! Please, please let me know. I think that the meds have just quit working and I feel awful.

 

Tony or May,As yet I have not been able to get off the antidepressants and sleeping meds.(I hate them but I know that I cannot just cut back, I know that it has to be a taper). The benzo one that I am on is one of the worst ones to get off of - lol! Dr. Heather Ashton has a clinic in UK for withdrawal from benzo drugs. I have found an org here that helps with that "theroadback. org" complete with taper schedule and nutritionals to balance the system while getting off the drugs.I feel that I have a bigger health issue with my low blood count to deal with first. We know that it is not AIDS, and several other things but a return of cancer has not been ruled out and I don't know that I want to go through their radiation battery to find out. No night sweats or anything else that would indicate cancer, no digestion problems. My question is: Does the Sutherlandia OPC help with depression? I would like to feel

that I will also get some help with that as well (I don't want to increase my dose of any of these nasties). I am doing the rest of the protocol, however. I have felt too tired to do cleanses or flushes. i have all the stuff to do parasite cleanse, colon and kidney cleanse. I intend to be a much healthier, happier (no meds) person soon. Janna

[Guest guest]

Bravo, . Well spoken and sound advice. One would ignore this

at one's own peril.

 

Phil

 

---

 

oleander soup , May <luellamay129 wrote:

>

> Janna, bless your heart, first of all, I have heard that you should

not do cleanses when withdrawing from antidepressants. I could be

wrong, so I would appreciate someone correcting me if I am wrong.

>

> If you are on any type of prescription drugs, I strongly advise

against any herbs, kava kava, melatonin, etc. as you don't know how

they will interact and you risk getting very ill. Once off the meds,

these supplements work wonderfully when needed.

[Guest guest]

Janna, I am in the process of getting off my anti depressant, I take Effexor, have been on it for at least 10 yrs. I just keep cutting the dose down, gradually. I was on 3 tablets a day know I am on 1/2 a pill a day, it just takes time. I am not suffering in anyway. I am also taking the items that May suggested in her post. Since I have joined the Oleander Soup family I have also gotten off Fosmax for bone health (that does not work) lots of damage it does. Also have stopped taking Armidex breast cancer meds that you are suppose to take for 5 yrs after cancer treatment if you live that long. Have also gotten off my sleeping meds. working on trying to figure out how to get off my blood pressure meds. And maybe my body will be able to heal itself with good food. Good luck and just

start slow and easy and you will be fine. I have only done one cleanse and that was the liver cleanse, but getting ready for my second one. So just go slow and you can do it, we will be here for you. Violet Huh!! so this is what I been waiting for the Golden Years. Hmmmmmm!! Not quite what I was expecting.........LOL Love, Laugh and Live, Violet

[Guest guest]

> Dr Lanphier and

 

Thank you so much for the information on addiction. My father has been

addicted to zopyclone for a number of years.He is also taking

antidepressants. He suffers from depression, anxiety and insomnia.I am

very concerned about him, but have felt helpless in doing somethig

about it. Neither he nor me can afford to send him to a private clinic

to get rid of the addiction. He also refuses to go to a government

hospital because of the bad state they are in.

 

I never really thought about taking him to a naturopath and adapting

his diet. Thank you again.

 

Martie

[Guest guest]

Very good advice re withdrawing slowly. 3 friends were able to get their drug in liquid form and virtually withdraw drop by drop.

Maracuja

 

 

Dr. Loretta Lanphier <drlanphieroleander soup Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:16:37 PMRE: repeat post.. Please - need advice

 

 

 

Hi Janna

 

I have taken the Oleander (capsules) and have not noticed any effect on mood at least not to the extent that you need.Please be very careful while getting off of your meds and do not stop anything abruptly. In fact, I highly suggest finding a healthcare professional to monitor you. I have seen good results with people using Lithium Orotate (natural lithium) for supplementation and to help them while they are weaning off prescription meds. I would not suggest flushing or detoxing until you are off of the prescription meds.Make sure that you are on a very healthy diet.

 

Establish a bed time and make it a point to be in bed at the same time every night. Get into a routine such as dimming all lights an hour before bed, taking a warm bath with some calming essential oils (lavender, chamomile, rose) and then off to bed. Make sure that your bedroom is cool and completely dark.

 

For sleep you may want to try Ancient Minerals Magnesium Oil rubbed on the skin at night. Calcium Orotate before bed.Lithium Orotate will also help with anxiety.

 

You may want to implement supplements for liver support while coming off the meds.

 

Coffea, a homeopathic medicine derived from coffee may be helpful. It can help induce sleep by calming down the nervous system when the senses seem over-stimulated. The recommended dose of coffea is three pills, with a strength of 30c, taken under the tongue.

 

5HTP, a compound derived from the amino acid L-tryptophan. This helps many people with insomnia by acting as a precursor to serotonin. The recommended dose is 100 milligrams one hour before bedtime.

 

Valerian root as an herbal supplement. It relaxes and restores your nervous system, especially if your mind is racing. The herb has compounds that bind to GABA receptors in the brain, exerting a calming effect. The recommended dose is 300 to 500 milligrams taken one hour before bedtime. (Don’t take valerian root if you are already taking 5HTP.)

 

Hormone Imbalance - Have your progesterone and estrogen and cortisol (adrenals) levels checked by using a saliva test. When women are experiencing fluctuations in their hormones—for example, when they go through peri-menopause—insomnia can be a sign of low progesterone, estrogen, or both. Supplemental bio-identical natural hormones can help those who suffer from insomnia due to lowered hormone levels; herbal medicines that have phytoestrogenic effects, such as black cohosh, and phytoprogesteronic effects, such as chaste tree berry (Vitex), can also help.

 

Again, find someone knowledgeable to monitor you during this process (chiropractor, naturopath, etc.). It can be successfully accomplished when taken slowly.

 

 

Be Well~Loretta

 

 

 

 

 

oleander soup [oleandersou p ] On Behalf Of cr8iveart@bellsouth .netMonday, July 28, 2008 10:30 PMoleander soupRe: repeat post. Please - need advice

 

 

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Has anyone else gotten off of antidepressants, etc while doing flushes and parasite cleanses? Can they be done at the same time? What order is best? Suggestions for anxiety and insomnia other than more meds (have tried melatonin, kava, etc - I don't think that they are supposed to be taken with pharma stuff)? So, what works without driving one over the edge with withdrawal? If you don't want to post, please email me privately. I would really appreciate it. Janna

 

 

Please let me know if you think that Sutherlandia effects/improves depression. I really need to know if I need to look at theroadback. org stuff now!! Please, please let me know. I think that the meds have just quit working and I feel awful.

 

Tony or May,As yet I have not been able to get off the antidepressants and sleeping meds.(I hate them but I know that I cannot just cut back, I know that it has to be a taper). The benzo one that I am on is one of the worst ones to get off of - lol! Dr. Heather Ashton has a clinic in UK for withdrawal from benzo drugs. I have found an org here that helps with that "theroadback. org" complete with taper schedule and nutritionals to balance the system while getting off the drugs.I feel that I have a bigger health issue with my low blood count to deal with first. We know that it is not AIDS, and several other things but a return of cancer has not been ruled out and I don't know that I want to go through their radiation battery to find out. No night sweats or anything else that would indicate cancer, no digestion problems. My question is: Does the

Sutherlandia OPC help with depression? I would like to feel that I will also get some help with that as well (I don't want to increase my dose of any of these nasties). I am doing the rest of the protocol, however. I have felt too tired to do cleanses or flushes. i have all the stuff to do parasite cleanse, colon and kidney cleanse. I intend to be a much healthier, happier (no meds) person soon. Janna

[Guest guest]

---

>Janna, There have been a lot of great suggestions given to you on this

forum, but I would definately add in EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique),

nothing to swallow! It works with the body's subtle energies, the

great thing being that, you are in charge and you do it on yourself.

Go to www.emofree.com read about it, then find a good teacher. I am

sure that you are going to succeed. Good luck, Mary

[Guest guest]

Hi Martie,

 

The sad part is..... How many of us were told that these drugs were

" non addictive " when first prescribed? I was.

 

Put him on natural foods and the specific supplements that I outlined.

In not a long span of time there should be improvement.

 

Again, the anxiety and depression need to be addressed by means other

than drugs. It started from somewhere, probably now forgotten, or let

me rephrase that..... buried.

 

Also, your dad has to be a willing participant in getting off those

drugs. I am not familiar as to how private clinics work and I don't

blame him for not wanting to go to a government hospital. Remember, it

all starts with nutrition, together with addressing the emotions, the

" root " cause.

 

A naturopath would be able to address the entire issue, withdrawal,

diet, supplements, and emotional support.

 

Hugs,

 

 

oleander soup , " marmeyh " <Martie.Hanekom

wrote:

>

>

> > Dr Lanphier and

>

> Thank you so much for the information on addiction. My father has been

> addicted to zopyclone for a number of years.He is also taking

> antidepressants. He suffers from depression, anxiety and insomnia.I am

> very concerned about him, but have felt helpless in doing somethig

> about it. Neither he nor me can afford to send him to a private clinic

> to get rid of the addiction. He also refuses to go to a government

> hospital because of the bad state they are in.

>

> I never really thought about taking him to a naturopath and adapting

> his diet. Thank you again.

>

> Martie

>

[Guest guest]

VIOLET HOLLAND wrote:

> Janna,

> I am in the process of getting off my anti depressant, I take Effexor,

> have been on it for at

> least 10 yrs. I just keep cutting the dose down, gradually. I was

> on 3 tablets a day

> know I am on 1/2 a pill a day, it just takes time. I am not suffering

> in anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

Hello group --- I know I'm in the minority already!, but I've been on

various medications for years for depressions & migraine & tension

headaches. At the time I started (at a well-know headache center) I was

told that with the medication & the therapy (that was required at the

same time) I would eventually, probably be able to cut down, and come

off most or all of the medications. Somewhere along the line, that

changed. I remember a visit when I was told that research had

discovered that in many cases the medications were not really

" medicating " you, they were simply replacing neurotransmitters, or

whatever....that your particular body/brain was unable, or was not,

making - so they were in fact normalizing your neurochemicals, not

messing with them. So, there was a chance that I would have to take

some of my meds for the rest of my life. Like people w/ low thyroid are

just getting the system up to normal.

So - altho I have less energy than I would like, I would like to be a

lone voice for the occasional necessity of depression medications.I have

gotten off some myself, some w/ my dr approval, and am a great fan of

tapering. (They tried everything for my headaches, and I mean

everything, including oxycontin! I just asked for an extra 2 weeks to

make the taper longer and had no trouble.) Taking them is not always

bad and getting completely off them, I'm not convinced, is not always

good. = a drugged, but lucid Joan

[Guest guest]

Bless your heart Joan, I understand you completely. I, too, was told

that I would have to take my medications for the rest of my life. As

they said, " After all, a diabetic needs their medications to stay well,

it's the same thing. " And I bought it hook, line, and sinker. Come to

find out, there are ways of treating Type II Diabetes naturally, and

also thyroid problems. Since I don't have diabetes, I cannot say if you

can do without all medications in its later stages, but I do know that,

having once been on synthroid, that you can, indeed treat your thyroid

naturally.

 

Quick Note: Another thing to check for anxiety and panic attacks --

your thyroid.

 

I once considered Paxil my very lifeline because it made me functional

when I had been just too close to homebound. And then I had my Xanax on

hand for the " just in case " times. If you would have told me ten years

ago that I would be off medications at this time in my life, I would

have told you that was an impossibility. And this has been no heroic

feat at all, it has been a journey, maybe a journey that started back

with my first panic attack. And I am still on that journey, but I

believe this is for another subject, maybe another forum. My healing

started when I " discovered " natural health and that was purely

accidental. Or was it? I have come to realize that nothing in this

life is " accidental. " And little by little, step-by-step, one thing

leading to another, I learned, became healthy and actually I reached the

point that I felt well enough that I knew that I could withdraw from all

medications. So for me, it was rather easy.

 

I too suffered from debilitating migranes, fibromyalgia, asthma, and a

lot of these conditions were side effects from the medication.

 

Before I go on, I want you to know that I am giving you my history, so

you know where I have been, and I do not want you to in any way

misunderstand what I am about to say, because I do not feel anybody

should withdraw their medication until they are ready. These

medications are highly addictive. And I do not believe in " white

knuckling. " With these medications " easy does it " is the only way.

 

However, taking these antidepressants come with their own price. They

cause other conditions and weight gain is one, they make one more

susceptible to Type II Diabetes, probably because of the added weight

gain. They are responsible for numerous other conditions, but we are

" functional " and we know what it was like before these medications, so

we are thankful, consider them necessary, and deal with the other

symptoms and conditions.

 

I do want to point out that the belief that these medications normalize

the neurochemicals is totally false. They do affect the

neurochemicals, but at a very high price, at the price of our emotions

and that is one reason why we are able to function, our emotions are

suppressed. We just function. That is one of the hardest things that I

had to deal with on withdrawal from antidepressants, the return of my

emotions, and as I write this post, I will share with you that, at

times, these very emotions still cause quite a struggle. Yet, emotions

are necessary and let us know what is wrong. Our emotions, the very key

to our healing, that tell us what's wrong when we know how to " read " and

analyze them, are taken away from us.

 

Back to the neurochemicals, Trace minerals is what truly normalizes

them, and many people with anxiety and panic issues are merely deficient

in these trace minerals. So we are given antidepressants to " normalize "

the neurochemicals, where in fact, Trace Minerals would have normalized

then naturally.

 

As in my prior post, " nutrition " is the key, eating right without any

processed foods, sugars, sweeteners, fast foods, sodas, etc., etc., for

as long as we rely on these convenient and " comfort " foods, we continue

going round and round that never ending revolving door of depression,

anxiety, panic, and the other conditions caused, not only by the

antidepressants, but by the ingredients added in these very harmful

foods. It is a no win situation.

 

I do not tell anyone to simply withdraw their medication, because I know

the emotional implications involved. I do tell everyone to change their

eating habits, to take the supplements that I outlined in my prior post,

to work on emotional issues, relaxation techniques, a more positive

outlo0k and................

 

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I forgot to mention the Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) in my post to

Janna. This is a marvelous tool, as it repairs disrupted energy flowing

throughout the body caused by illness, pain, or emotional trauma. It is

good for anything and I also use it. Again, the link is

http://www.emofree.com/

 

I would like to thank the poster that included this before.

 

One thing about EFT, it demands practice. But notice the relief you

feel as you are doing the tapping, for whatever condition you use it

for. And then it becomes habit.

 

First step is to become nutritionally sound and once on a healthy diet

with the proper supplements, you will be surprised just how fast the

body will heal itself. After that, all things are possible.

 

Hugs,

 

 

oleander soup , Joan Connorton <jecgsd wrote:

>

> VIOLET HOLLAND wrote:

> > Janna,

> > I am in the process of getting off my anti depressant, I take

Effexor,

> > have been on it for at

> > least 10 yrs. I just keep cutting the dose down, gradually. I was

> > on 3 tablets a day

> > know I am on 1/2 a pill a day, it just takes time. I am not

suffering

> > in anyway.

>

>

>

>

>

> Hello group --- I know I'm in the minority already!, but I've been on

> various medications for years for depressions & migraine & tension

> headaches. At the time I started (at a well-know headache center) I

was

> told that with the medication & the therapy (that was required at the

> same time) I would eventually, probably be able to cut down, and come

> off most or all of the medications. Somewhere along the line, that

> changed. I remember a visit when I was told that research had

> discovered that in many cases the medications were not really

> " medicating " you, they were simply replacing neurotransmitters, or

> whatever....that your particular body/brain was unable, or was not,

> making - so they were in fact normalizing your neurochemicals, not

> messing with them. So, there was a chance that I would have to take

> some of my meds for the rest of my life. Like people w/ low thyroid

are

> just getting the system up to normal.

> So - altho I have less energy than I would like, I would like to be a

> lone voice for the occasional necessity of depression medications.I

have

> gotten off some myself, some w/ my dr approval, and am a great fan of

> tapering. (They tried everything for my headaches, and I mean

> everything, including oxycontin! I just asked for an extra 2 weeks to

> make the taper longer and had no trouble.) Taking them is not always

> bad and getting completely off them, I'm not convinced, is not always

> good. = a drugged, but lucid Joan

>

[Guest guest]

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Has anyone else gotten off of antidepressants, etc while doing flushes and  parasite cleanses? Can they be done at the same time? What order is best? Suggestions for anxiety and insomnia other than more meds (have tried melatonin, kava, etc - I don't think that they are supposed to be taken with pharma stuff)? So, what works without driving one over the edge with withdrawal? If you don't want to post, please email me privately. I would really appreciate it. JannaPlease let me know if you think that Sutherlandia effects/improves depression. I really need to know if I need to look at theroadback. org stuff now!! Please, please let me know. I think that the meds have just quit working and I feel awful

 

Reply: Well, I never did anything slowly. I just got off of the antidepressants....When I realized that they were a huge part of my problems...it was a lot easier. I find L5-HTP works great, but I only take it in the morning. If I am experiencing any anxiety, I am sure to take Valerian. The thing I have found most likely to help me sleep...like all night long (melatonin works for a few hours) is spraying myself down with Epsom's salt water and then applying cocoa butter. I firmly believe that killing the pathogens will help the depression. Whether it is by strengthening your immune system or by MMS, the battle for your mind is the same battle as those fighting AIDS, etc.

 

Serotonin Deficiency Syndrome - Anxiety - Depression

 

Serotonin Deficiency SyndromeDepression Obesity Alcoholism Premenstrual syndrome (PMS) Anxiety disorders, including panic Fibromyalgia Insomnia Migraine headaches Obsessive-compulsive disorder Aggressive or violent tendencies ******************************************************************************************** What do these seemingly unrelated conditions have in common? They all may be caused by a deficiency of serotonin in the brain, according to a substantial body of medical research conducted over the past several decades. Serotonin, a neurotransmitter that carries vital signals between brain cells, is involved in numerous central nervous system actions, such as the regulation of mood, sleep and appetite. Poor diet, lack of exercise, use of harmful substances such as caffeine or alcohol, and ongoing physical and

emotional stress can depress the levels of serotonin your body makes, resulting in the range of serious problems mentioned above, or what is collectively known as serotonin deficiency syndrome.Out of the ten or so major neurotransmitters in the brain, serotonin is the one researchers and scientists are most concerned with in the onset and the treatment of these various medical and psychiatric problems. Many studies have been focused on how it affects behavior, mood, aggression, appetite control, pain transmission, sexual behavior, and many more of our traits, activities and functions. In the past few decades, these intensive research programs by both pharmaceutical companies and universities have led to the development of many powerful serotonin-active medications. Most well known of these drugs are Prozac, a popular antidepressant which enhances the mood-regulating activity of serotonin, and Redux, an appetite suppressant that controls eating

by delivering a dose of serotonin to the appetite control centers in the brain. Other serotonin-altering drugs relieve anxiety, enhance sleep, and ease muscular and skeletal pain. Unfortunately, these drugs come with troublesome side effects that are well documented and can be severe. Redux, and its partner, Pondimin, prescribed as the fen-phen combination, were recently removed from the market after doctors discovered that they caused permanent damage to the heart valves in as many as one third of the people who took them.But there is another way, a natural way, to increase levels of serotonin in the brain. Serotonin is produced inside the body from tryptophan, an amino acid found in many foods. You may be aware of how eating a large turkey dinner or drinking a cup of warm milk has a calming and sedating effect on the body. Both turkey and milk have plentiful amounts of the amino acid, tryptophan. Yet tryptophan, after being ingested,

must first be converted into 5-hydroxy-L-tryptophan, or L-5-HTP, before itâ?Ts final conversion into serotonin.But what ever happened to Tryptophan? READ VERY CAREFULLY - Editor Tom OBrien, NCThe amino acid tryptophan, once a popular supplement for relaxation and sleep-enhancement, was removed from the market in 1989 after its mistaken association with a number of deaths. (Later it was determined that a contaminated batch from a single manufacturer in Japan had been responsible, but tryptophan was never released back onto the market.) Editor's Note" The Commission of Health of the FDA reapproved L-Tryptophan back in March 2001 for public consumption but the powerful interests of the pharmaceutical cartel ensure no Medical or Science Journalists covered the story. It is completely legal to market L-Trytophan today).******************************************************************************************The following

ad copy is from a 5-HTP supplier but good educational material - Tom OBrien, NC Fortunately for us, L-5-HTP supplements are readily available, and much more effective. Compared with L-tryptophan, L-5-HTP is one step closer to serotonin in the body's manufacturing process. In addition, far more L-5-HTP is converted to serotonin (70% versus 1-3% for tryptophan) making dietary L-5-HTP far more efficient than L-tryptophan at boosting serotonin levels in the brain. And because it is extracted naturally from an African herb (Griffonia simplicifolia), L-5-HTP is inherently safer than a synthetically produced compound like L-tryptophan.L-5-HTPA Natural Alternative to Prozac60 - 100 mg CapsulesIn Europe, L-5-HTP has been used for decades as an approved treatment for depression, sleep problems and other medical complaints. It is just now starting to sweep America. There is substantial scientific evidence to support the

contention that L-5-HTP is a safe, natural way to boost brain serotonin levels. Detailed clinical trials have shown L-5-HTP to produce results equal to or better than standard synthetic drugs used in the treatment of problems arising from serotonin deficiency syndrome, including depression.L-5-HTP and DepressionAs research mounted during the 1970s and â?~80s L-5-HTP was increasingly regarded as a potentially valuable antidepressant with few side effects. Results of dozens of studies have shown L-5-HTP to be just as effective as the established drugs; the SSRIâ?Ts such as Prozac, the MAO inhibitors and the tricyclic antidepressants. The advantages of L-5-HTP lie in the fact that L-5-HTP is better tolerated and associated with fewer and much milder side effects, the most common being digestive distress, and it usually went away with continued use of the supplement.L-5-HTP and FibromyalgiaOver the past 25 years, Dr. Federigo

Sicuteri at the University of Florence in Italy, has treated many patients for fibromyalgia with L-5-HTP and has accumulated a tremendous amount of evidence of its success. In a published report, he notes, "In our experience, as well as that of other pain specialists, L-5-HTP can largely improve the painful picture of primary fibromyalgia." A double-blind study from the rheumatology unit of a prominent Milan hospital involved 50 patients, divided into two groups. The group that received L-5-HTP (100 mg per day) showed significant improvement in their symptoms, while the placebo group experienced virtually no improvement. Improvements with many symptoms were noted; number of painful areas, morning stiffness, sleep patterns, anxiety and fatigue. In a similar, second study, patients who took 100 mg of L-5-HTP three times daily reported initial results in several days, with maximum results at 30 days, and the benefits of the treatment continuing at that

level through the rest of the 90 day trial. L-5-HTP also produces excellent results as a treatment for chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS), due in large measure to its improvement of sleep quality and mood.L-5-HTP and Weight LossL-5-HTP can play an important role in its ability to help people lose weight. A 1992 placebo-controlled, double-blind study reported excellent results treating obesity using 900 mg L-5-HTP daily. Participants taking L-5-HTP lost 3-5 times as much weight as those who were taking a placebo.One important function of serotonin is to signal the brain when the body has ingested a sufficient amount of food, creating a feeling of satisfaction and fullness. With depressed levels of serotonin, it takes longer for the brain to recognize this satisfied feeling, and you are likely to eat more. Because L-5-HTP increases serotonin, and because serotonin makes you feel like youâ?Tve eaten enough, taking L-5-HTP can reduce your

appetite. And because increased levels of serotonin can improve your mood and raise your energy level, it may be much easier to stick to a diet as well as commit to an exercise plan, which contributes to further weight loss. L-5-HTP and MigrainesClinical research shows that L-5-HTP is as effective as pharmaceutical drugs in reducing symptoms of migraine headaches, presumably because of its serotonin-boosting properties. According to researchers at the University of Milanâ?Ts Pain Research and Treatment Unit, anywhere from 77.4 to 93.5 percent of people with chronic daily headaches get better when they take L-5-HTP. This study lasted two months and results continued to improve the longer the patients took L-5-HTP.L-5-HTP and InsomniaFirst reported during the early 1970s in studies by Dr. Richard J. Wyatt, at the National Institute of Health in Bethesda, Mary., and Dr. Vincent Zarcona at Stanford University, L-5-HTP is proving to

be a much more effective alternative for dealing with sleep problems in a safe and natural way. According to the studies, the advantage of L-5-HTP lies in its ability to improve sleep quality by increasing the length of time spent in both REM sleep and in deep sleep, without increasing total sleep time. The higher the dose, the more time spent in REM. By shifting the balance of the sleep cycle, L-5-HTP makes sleep more restful and rejuvenating. In addition, L-5-HTP has also been reported in numerous double-blind clinical studies, to decrease the time required to get to sleep and to decrease the number of awakenings.How much is usually taken?In a controlled trial, L-5-HTP (300 mg per day) was shown to be effective in reducing many symptoms of fibromyalgia, including pain, morning stiffness, sleep disturbances, and anxiety. Migraine attacks were reduced in frequency, severity, and duration in 90% of those taking 400 mg per day of L-5-HTP in a

well-controlled trial. Larger doses of L-5-HTP (600 mg per day) were found to be as effective as prescription medications for reducing migraine headache attacks in adults in two double blind studies. Children who suffered from migraines and had problems sleeping responded well to a daily dose of L-5-HTP equal to 20 mg for every 10 lbs of body weight in a controlled study. For depression, 300 mg per day is often effective. A single 100 mg nighttime dose of L-5-HTP was sufficient to improve the duration and depth of sleep in one placebo-controlled study. Appetite reduction and weight loss (averaging 11 lbs in twelve weeks) has occurred with doses of 600â?"900 mg daily. Vitamin B6, niacin, and magnesium help convert L-5-HTP to serotonin.Side Effects or InteractionsL-5-HTP causes mild gastrointestinal disturbances in some people. These side effects include mild nausea, heartburn, flatulence, feelings of fullness, and rumbling sensations. Check

with your health care provider before taking L-5-HTP if you have high blood pressure or diabetes, are pregnant or nursing, are taking antidepressant drugs, such as monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs) or selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs). L-5-HTP may add to the effects of St. John's wort.********************************************************************************************* REFERENCES:Caruso I, Sarzi Puttini P, Cazzola M, Azzolini V. Double-blind study of 5-hydroxytryptophan versus placebo in the treatment of primary fibromyalgia syndrome. J Int Med Res 1990;18:201â?"09.De Benedittis G, Massei R. 5-HT precursors in migraines: A double-blind cross-over study with 5-hydroxytryptophan versus placebo. Clin J Pain 1986;3:123â?"29.Titus F, Davalos A, Alom J, Codina A. 5-hydroxytryptophan versus methysergide in the prophylaxis of migraine. Eur Neurol 1986;25:327â?"29.Mathew NT. 5-hydroxytryptophan in the

prophylaxis of migraine. Headache 1978;18:111â?"13.De Giorgis G, Miletto R, Iannuccelli M, Camuffo M, Scerni S. Headache in association with sleep disorders in children: A psychodiagnostic evaluation and controlled clinical studyâ?"L-5-HTP versus placebo. Drugs Exptl Clin Res 1987;13:425.Byerley WF, Judd LL, Reimherr FW, Grosser BI. L-5-HTP: A review of its antidepressant efficacy and adverse effects . J Clin Psychopharmacol 1987;7:127â?"37Poldinger W, Calanchini B, Schwarz W. A functional-dimensional approach to depression: Serotonin deficiency as a target syndrome in a comparison of 5-hydroxytryptophan and fluvoxamine. Psychopathology 1991;24:53â?"81.Ceci F, Cangiano C, Cairella M, et al. The effects of oral 5-hydroxytryptophan administration on feeding behavior in obese adult female subjects. J Neural Transmission 1989;76:109â?"17.Cangiano C, Ceci F, Cascino A, et al. Eating behavior and adherence to dietary prescriptions in

obese adult subjects treated with 5-hydroxytryptophan. Am J Clin Nutr 1992;56:863â?"67.

[Guest guest]

I would be remiss if I did not mention that one NEEDS omega fatty acids to get the B vits through the blood/brain barrier. That mean that if you do not already take FISH OIL (and not flax, if you have depression, because you may not be able to utilize flax if you are from a people who traditionally lived a coastal life...) please consider adding FISH OIL to your diet along with a B complex type vitamin...also, sub-lingual B-12 maybe something you should consider. (Many who have absorption problems do not get B-12 from their diet or even oral supplements.) In fact, when I first started supplementing B-12, I was amazed at how much better I felt! That is how I first understood that I had problems with absorption. C

[Guest guest]

Hello Joan,

 

That point about having a chemical imbalance requiring chemical supplementation for the rest of your life, I believe, is an excellent drug company marketing ploy, nothing more. Perhaps there is a better way of supplying nutrition rather than chemicals - no one has a dietary deficiency of pharmaceuticals.

I recently read that nearly every elderly American is permanently medicated - this is a coup for the drug companies, but what a disgrace! An indictment of the medicos' ignorance of what constitutes health & how to achieve it.

 

I know that in our extended family, 2 have even had schizophrenic symptoms until they avoided gluten! Others have coeliac disease and my vaccine-injured son had bowel symptoms - grey clay-like foul stools, constipation, or diarrhoea for months on end until we took him off all gluten [and casein, a milk protein].

Another thing that helped the 2 men who had schizophrenic symptoms was Vitamin B3. http://www.doctoryourself.com/review_hoffer_B3.html

There is obviously a family tendency, perhaps triggered by vaccination, to react in different ways to gluten. I get eczema & migraine if I eat gluten. Feverfew helps me through the migraine if I inadvertantly eat it.

I am sure that a Natural Hygeine diet would be most beneficial for depression, anxiety, headaches etc. www.westonaprice.org/

All the best,

Maracuja

 

 

 

 

Joan

Wednesday, July 30, 2008 4:07:29 AMRe: Re: repeat post. Please - need advice

 

Hello group --- I know I'm in the minority already!, but I've been on various medications for years for depressions & migraine & tension headaches. At the time I started (at a well-know headache center) I was told that with the medication & the therapy (that was required at the same time) I would eventually, probably be able to cut down, and come off most or all of the medications. Somewhere along the line, that changed. I remember a visit when I was told that research had discovered that in many cases the medications were not really "medicating" you, they were simply replacing neurotransmitters, or whatever.... that your particular body/brain was unable, or was not, making - so they were in fact normalizing your neurochemicals, not messing with them. So, there was a chance that I would have to take some of my meds for the rest of my life. Like people w/ low thyroid are just

getting the system up to normal. So - altho I have less energy than I would like, I would like to be a lone voice for the occasional necessity of depression medications. I have gotten off some myself, some w/ my dr approval, and am a great fan of tapering. (They tried everything for my headaches, and I mean everything, including oxycontin! I just asked for an extra 2 weeks to make the taper longer and had no trouble.) Taking them is not always bad and getting completely off them, I'm not convinced, is not always good. = a drugged, but lucid Joan