Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Oleander can make one feel sickly? Cody hasn't been eating at all and wondering if oleander can make one feel sick from it? I have tried to give him all his supplements including IP6, and way more CS but he's still not eating and tried to vomit recently. So just wondering if oleander can have this effect when first taking it for the first few days? Thanks, BonnieGet fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 On an empty stomach in a little fellow who is getting on in years and has had a lot of chemo, I would imagine that it would be very possible - especially since relatively mild nausea can be a side effect. Supplements of just about any kind taken by any person or animal who has gone for a long time without eating, are not likely to sit well on the stomach. As I recall, you had posted about Cody not eating before the oleander. I don't know what to suggest. Maybe one of those feeding syringes and some liquified food. I am really hoping that his appetite returns and he has time for the silver, oleander and inositol/IP6 to work. No one or nothing can survive for long without nutrients though. oleander soup , evian793 wrote: > > Oleander can make one feel sickly? Cody hasn't been eating at all and > wondering if oleander can make one feel sick from it? I have tried to give him > all his supplements including IP6, and way more CS but he's still not eating > and tried to vomit recently. So just wondering if oleander can have this > effect when first taking it for the first few days? > > Thanks, > > Bonnie > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Tony, Have been trying everything under the sun to feed Cody so I finally am force feeding him some baby food now. The vet called and wants to see Cody tomorrow. I am VERY worried now as he's never gone this long before after chemo. He's not only refusing he's adamant about it. One thing, after I feed him he's not vomiting it up but I do wonder why he just won't eat period. This happened firstly when he was diagnosed with gall bladder problems, they took it out and found the cancer. He always snaps back from chemo but not this time! Maybe I stared the supplements too soon, just not sure. Thank you anyway for your help, I am just very worried if i'm doing the right thing for him now. Bonnie & CodyGet fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Hi Bonnie, No, you did not start the supplements too soon. Please keep us posted with what the doctor says. My prayers are with you. Hugs, oleander soup , evian793 wrote: > > Tony, > > Have been trying everything under the sun to feed Cody so I finally am force > feeding him some baby food now. The vet called and wants to see Cody > tomorrow. I am VERY worried now as he's never gone this long before after chemo. > > He's not only refusing he's adamant about it. > > One thing, after I feed him he's not vomiting it up but I do wonder why he > just won't eat period. This happened firstly when he was diagnosed with gall > bladder problems, they took it out and found the cancer. > > He always snaps back from chemo but not this time! Maybe I stared the > supplements too soon, just not sure. > > Thank you anyway for your help, I am just very worried if i'm doing the > right thing for him now. > > Bonnie & Cody > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Hi Bonnie, Have you tried slippery elm? Or the homeopathic remedy nux vomica 30 c or x? Either of these might be helpful. Not sure if baking soda would be ok for a dog. Good luck.Nonie > oleander soup , evian793 wrote:> >> > Oleander can make one feel sickly? Cody hasn't been eating at all and > > wondering if oleander can make one feel sick from it? I have tried> to give him > > all his supplements including IP6, and way more CS but he's still> not eating > > and tried to vomit recently. So just wondering if oleander can have> this > > effect when first taking it for the first few days?> > > > Thanks,> > > > Bonnie> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Bonnie - I do not think you started any supplements too soon - of course it is unlikely that a mainstream vet will agree. If your vet is honest he will agree with the obvious - that chemo has been unable to get rid of Cody's cancer, just knock it back a bit, and each successive round of chemo takes a toll. Whenever you have that situation, there will come a time when your dog will not snap back or a time when the vet finally tells you that further chemo is not advised. If anything, I wish that you had been able to start the supplements much earlier. There comes a point when there is nothing further that mainstream medicine or nature either one can do. I am just hoping we have not reached that point, but we must be prepared for the possibility. You have a small dog pretty far along in years who has fought a tough battle against cancer, chemo and more - and I am hoping for the best, as I am sure the whole forum is. oleander soup , evian793 wrote: > > Tony, > > Have been trying everything under the sun to feed Cody so I finally am force > feeding him some baby food now. The vet called and wants to see Cody > tomorrow. I am VERY worried now as he's never gone this long before after chemo. > > He's not only refusing he's adamant about it. > > One thing, after I feed him he's not vomiting it up but I do wonder why he > just won't eat period. This happened firstly when he was diagnosed with gall > bladder problems, they took it out and found the cancer. > > He always snaps back from chemo but not this time! Maybe I stared the > supplements too soon, just not sure. > > Thank you anyway for your help, I am just very worried if i'm doing the > right thing for him now. > > Bonnie & Cody > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Bonnie, Tony is right. It is not the supplements and not the oleander. Cody did not bounce back from that last round of chemo and I am so very sorry. I am hoping for a miracle that somehow, something will kick in. My heart goes out to you and I think of you and Cody throughout the day. Love and Hugs, oleander soup , " Tony " wrote: > > Bonnie - > > I do not think you started any supplements too soon - of course it is > unlikely that a mainstream vet will agree. If your vet is honest he > will agree with the obvious - that chemo has been unable to get rid of > Cody's cancer, just knock it back a bit, and each successive round of > chemo takes a toll. Whenever you have that situation, there will come > a time when your dog will not snap back or a time when the vet finally > tells you that further chemo is not advised. If anything, I wish that > you had been able to start the supplements much earlier. There comes > a point when there is nothing further that mainstream medicine or > nature either one can do. I am just hoping we have not reached that > point, but we must be prepared for the possibility. > > You have a small dog pretty far along in years who has fought a tough > battle against cancer, chemo and more - and I am hoping for the best, > as I am sure the whole forum is. > > > > > > oleander soup , evian793@ wrote: > > > > Tony, > > > > Have been trying everything under the sun to feed Cody so I finally > am force > > feeding him some baby food now. The vet called and wants to see Cody > > tomorrow. I am VERY worried now as he's never gone this long > before after chemo. > > > > He's not only refusing he's adamant about it. > > > > One thing, after I feed him he's not vomiting it up but I do wonder > why he > > just won't eat period. This happened firstly when he was diagnosed > with gall > > bladder problems, they took it out and found the cancer. > > > > He always snaps back from chemo but not this time! Maybe I stared the > > supplements too soon, just not sure. > > > > Thank you anyway for your help, I am just very worried if i'm doing > the > > right thing for him now. > > > > Bonnie & Cody > > > > > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 I know that mms is a sore subject but I have to tell that brought back my appetite from zero. Somehow, it increases acid. Second thought; you might get a raw egg down his throat with the syringe.Maybe blend with the greens(?)--- On Mon, 7/28/08, May <luellamay129 wrote: May <luellamay129 Re: Wondering if...oleander soup Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 11:01 PM Bonnie,Tony is right. It is not the supplements and not the oleander. Codydid not bounce back from that last round of chemo and I am so verysorry. I am hoping for a miracle that somehow, something will kick in.My heart goes out to you and I think of you and Cody throughout the day.Love and Hugs,oleander soup, "Tony" @. ..> wrote:>> Bonnie ->> I do not think you started any supplements too soon - of course it is> unlikely that a mainstream vet will agree. If your vet is honest he> will agree with the obvious - that chemo has been unable to get rid of> Cody's cancer, just knock it back a bit, and each successive round of> chemo takes a toll. Whenever you have that situation, there will come> a time when your dog will not snap back or a time when the vet finally> tells you that further chemo is not advised. If anything, I wish that> you had been able to start the supplements much earlier. There comes> a point when there is nothing further that mainstream medicine or> nature either one can do. I am just hoping we have not reached that> point, but we must be prepared for the possibility.>> You have a small dog pretty far along in years who has fought a tough> battle against cancer, chemo and more - and I am hoping for the best,> as I am sure the whole forum is.>> Tony>>>> oleander soup, evian793@ wrote:> >> > Tony,> >> > Have been trying everything under the sun to feed Cody so I finally> am force> > feeding him some baby food now. The vet called and wants to seeCody> > tomorrow. I am VERY worried now as he's never gone this long> before after chemo.> >> > He's not only refusing he's adamant about it.> >> > One thing, after I feed him he's not vomiting it up but I do wonder> why he> > just won't eat period. This happened firstly when he was diagnosed> with gall> > bladder problems, they took it out and found the cancer.> >> > He always snaps back from chemo but not this time! Maybe I staredthe> > supplements too soon, just not sure.> >> > Thank you anyway for your help, I am just very worried if i'm doing> the> > right thing for him now.> >> > Bonnie & Cody> >> >> >> > ************ **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign upfor> > FanHouse Fantasy Football today.> > (http://www.fanhouse .com/fantasyaffa ir?ncid=aolspr00 050000000020)> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 oleander soup , Nonie <nmsammy wrote: > > Hi Bonnie, > Have you tried slippery elm? Or the homeopathic remedy nux vomica 30 c or x? > Either of these might be helpful. Not sure if baking soda would be ok for a dog. > Good luck.Nonie > > > > > oleander soup , evian793@ wrote:> >> > Oleander can make one feel sickly? Cody hasn't been eating at all and > > wondering if oleander can make one feel sick from it? I have tried> to give him > > all his supplements including IP6, and way more CS but he's still> not eating > > and tried to vomit recently. So just wondering if oleander can have> this > > effect when first taking it for the first few days?> > > > Thanks,> > > > Bonnie> > Hi Bonnie & Cody... Here is an easy recipe that might help with nutrients...You can syringe it down his throat if needed...I'd start out with a small amount to make sure he keeps it down...Really really hope the best for you and your pup! Recipe for 11 Calories per CC 1. 10 oz. of canned evaporated milk or goats milk (not pasteurized cows milk - this will cause scow ers - dogs cannot drink normal cows milk) 2. 3 oz. sterilized water (baby water or boiled water) this is not needed if using goats milk 3. 1 raw egg yolk 4. 1 tablespoons regular mayonnaise (optional) 5. 1 cup of whole yogurt (avoid skim or fat free) Place ingredients in a blender and blend or use a wire whisk. Keep cool and discard leftovers after 7 days. Warm formula to body temperature (dogs are 101 degrees). Discard any un-used formula. This is a thick mixture - use a stomach tube to tube feed or enlarge the hole in the nipple to get an easy access for pup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Question: For nausea, have you tried giving Cody just a bit of candied ginger? It works for me and others.Allen> oleander soup > robertselisa Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:03:02 +0000> Re: Wondering if...> > oleander soup , Nonie <nmsammy wrote:> >> > Hi Bonnie, > > Have you tried slippery elm? Or the homeopathic remedy nux vomica 30> c or x?> > Either of these might be helpful. Not sure if baking soda would be> ok for a dog. > > Good luck.Nonie> > > > > > > > > oleander soup , evian793@ wrote:> >> >> Oleander can make one feel sickly? Cody hasn't been eating at all and> > > wondering if oleander can make one feel sick from it? I have> tried> to give him > > all his supplements including IP6, and way more> CS but he's still> not eating > > and tried to vomit recently. So just> wondering if oleander can have> this > > effect when first taking it> for the first few days?> > > > Thanks,> > > > Bonnie>> >> Hi Bonnie & Cody...> Here is an easy recipe that might help with nutrients...You can> syringe it down his throat if needed...I'd start out with a small> amount to make sure he keeps it down...Really really hope the best for> you and your pup!> Recipe for 11 Calories per CC> > 1. 10 oz. of canned evaporated milk or goats milk (not pasteurized> cows milk - this will cause scow ers - dogs cannot drink normal cows milk)> 2. 3 oz. sterilized water (baby water or boiled water) this is not> needed if using goats milk> 3. 1 raw egg yolk> 4. 1 tablespoons regular mayonnaise (optional)> 5. 1 cup of whole yogurt (avoid skim or fat free)> > Place ingredients in a blender and blend or use a wire whisk. Keep> cool and discard leftovers after 7 days.> > Warm formula to body temperature (dogs are 101 degrees). Discard any> un-used formula. This is a thick mixture - use a stomach tube to tube> feed or enlarge the hole in the nipple to get an easy access for pup.> > > ---> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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