Seeking advice on Sutherlandia OPC and Prostate Cancer

[Guest guest]

Hi Tony,

 

I ordered Sutherlandia OPC some time ago as a possible part of my

protocol in my struggle with prostate cancer. I would appreciate MUCH

interaction with you (and others in the group) in the weeks and months

ahead. I started taking Sutherlandia OPC today in light of the

preliminary report of current blood tests at Alta Bates Cancer Center

(Berkeley, CA) for blood drawn on 7/22/08. The results, which are

given in part below, require difficult decisions on my part.

 

1) Calcium/Phosphorus ratio: ideal goal = 2.50

 

I reached that goal, as the following data shows:

 

Date || Calcium || Phosphorus || Ca/Ph

Ref. || 8.4-10.2 || 2.5-4.5 || ~ 2.50

 

01/24/08 || 9.1 || 3.3 || 2.76

06/10/08 || 9.0 || 2.8 || 3.21

07/22/08 || 8.8 || 3.5 || 2.51

 

Taking IP-6 (along with my regular dosage of Min-Col) successfully

raised my serum Phosphorus level to its highest mark thus far at 3.5

(ref. range = 2.5-4.5). Maintaining the ratio of 2.5 between Calcium

and Phosphorus is important in building bone tissue in the fight with

osteoporosis. Magnesium is also of great importance. My current serum

Magnesium level is 2.4 (ref. range = 1.6-2.3), but I have no

confidence in this particular test. Thus far I have been unable to get

the proper test done [ionic magnesium] so as to establish a proper

baseline from which to work.

 

2) My PSA has apparently risen to 30.3, which is a BIG DISAPPOINTMENT.

This suggests that my current strategy based on Essiac Tea [in place

of Protocel] is not working. At the same time, the picture is

complicated by my recent experience with Avodart and the long period

of recovery from ADT (androgen deprivation therapy). I do not yet have

some very important numbers [LH, DHT, T, E2, etc]. These numbers

should be in by Monday or Tuesday of next week.

 

Here is the data for PSA and PSADT (PSA doubling time):

 

Date || PSA || PSADT

Ref. || <4.0 || >2.14 [my personal baseline]

 

05/19/03 || 05.5 baseline PSA [with no PCa]

03/29/06 || 13.9 || 2.14

06/29/06 3-month injection of Zoladex at time of Dx

07/25/06 || 05.9 || ----

08/11/06 || 02.0 || ----

09/07/06 3-month injection of Lupron

10/03/06 || 00.9 || ----

11/16/06 aborted ADT (and chemo)

05/22/07 || 01.8 || ----

06/01/07 started testosterone replacement

06/29/07 || 04.8 || ----

08/14/07 || 07.2 || ----

10/23/07 || 16.8 || 2.75

11/27/07 || 18.2 || 2.62

01/02/08 || 19.4 || 2.55

01/24/08 || 25.0 || 2.15

02/12/08 started taking Avodart to control DHT

03/11/08 || 20.9 || 2.50

04/30/08 stopped taking Avodart

06/10/08 || 23.0 || 2.45

07/22/08 || 31.3 || 2.07

 

My PSADT three months before my diagnosis with PCa (on 3/29/06) was

2.14 and it is now 2.07. I have not yet arrested the growth of PCa in

my body. It continues to advance at essentially the same rate.

 

The 2 1/2 months on Avodart complicates the picture further, because

Avodart lowers PSA without necessarily having any effect on PCa as

such, much like ADT and estrogenic therapy (such as Prostasol). My

focus is on getting rid of my cancer, not on reducing my PSA per se.

At the same time, I obviously want to see my PSA declining and my

PSADT going up. I remain more or less at the starting point in this

struggle. Two years and four months have passed and the rate of PSA

increase remains more or less what it was when I started.

 

I need the remaining test results in hand to make a proper assessment

of where to go from here. For the time being, I have decided to add

Sutherlandia OPC to my own protocol -- along with Essiac Tea, IP-6,

Flax Hull Lignans, and Laetrile maintenance therapy to see what

happens to my PSA and PSADT numbers. I also plan to continue my

gradual inclusion of the Budwig Protocol, as I reach my goals in terms

of weight loss.

 

Duane Christensen

 

Dx 6/06 @ 68 | bPSA 13.9, bPSADT 2.14, Gl 3+3 | ADT (5 mns) + chemo (2

mns) aborted 11/16/06 | Protocel 19 mns (11/1/06-6/14/08), Laetrile

(fr 1/11/08), w/ Essiac Tea, IP-6 & Flax Hull Lignans (fr 6/14/08) and

Sutherlandia OPC (fr 7/25/08)

[Guest guest]

By all means do keep us posted of your progress. I wish more members

would do the same. That is what this forum was created for in the

first place - to have oleander takers share their experiences.

 

I have high hopes for your progress with the oleander. It has had

some wonderful success with prostate cancer.

 

Here is an articles you might be interested in regarding prostate cancer:

 

http://www.naturalnews.com/023680.html

 

Essaic is a good overall cleanser and detoxer but really not a very

strong cancer figher, not in today's world of added toxins and

depleted soils.

 

Be sure to add some plant derived trace minerals and take extra

measures to cleanse and protect your liver. It is likely impaired to

begin with (or was at the time you developed the cancer) and it is

going to be burdened further from the toxins released from the cancer

cell die-offs.

 

 

 

oleander soup , " Duane Christensen "

<duanechristensen wrote:

>

> Hi Tony,

>

> I ordered Sutherlandia OPC some time ago as a possible part of my

> protocol in my struggle with prostate cancer. I would appreciate MUCH

> interaction with you (and others in the group) in the weeks and months

> ahead. I started taking Sutherlandia OPC today in light of the

> preliminary report of current blood tests at Alta Bates Cancer Center

> (Berkeley, CA) for blood drawn on 7/22/08. The results, which are

> given in part below, require difficult decisions on my part.

>

> 1) Calcium/Phosphorus ratio: ideal goal = 2.50

>

> I reached that goal, as the following data shows:

>

> Date || Calcium || Phosphorus || Ca/Ph

> Ref. || 8.4-10.2 || 2.5-4.5 || ~ 2.50

>

> 01/24/08 || 9.1 || 3.3 || 2.76

> 06/10/08 || 9.0 || 2.8 || 3.21

> 07/22/08 || 8.8 || 3.5 || 2.51

>

> Taking IP-6 (along with my regular dosage of Min-Col) successfully

> raised my serum Phosphorus level to its highest mark thus far at 3.5

> (ref. range = 2.5-4.5). Maintaining the ratio of 2.5 between Calcium

> and Phosphorus is important in building bone tissue in the fight with

> osteoporosis. Magnesium is also of great importance. My current serum

> Magnesium level is 2.4 (ref. range = 1.6-2.3), but I have no

> confidence in this particular test. Thus far I have been unable to get

> the proper test done [ionic magnesium] so as to establish a proper

> baseline from which to work.

>

> 2) My PSA has apparently risen to 30.3, which is a BIG DISAPPOINTMENT.

> This suggests that my current strategy based on Essiac Tea [in place

> of Protocel] is not working. At the same time, the picture is

> complicated by my recent experience with Avodart and the long period

> of recovery from ADT (androgen deprivation therapy). I do not yet have

> some very important numbers [LH, DHT, T, E2, etc]. These numbers

> should be in by Monday or Tuesday of next week.

>

> Here is the data for PSA and PSADT (PSA doubling time):

>

> Date || PSA || PSADT

> Ref. || <4.0 || >2.14 [my personal baseline]

>

> 05/19/03 || 05.5 baseline PSA [with no PCa]

> 03/29/06 || 13.9 || 2.14

> 06/29/06 3-month injection of Zoladex at time of Dx

> 07/25/06 || 05.9 || ----

> 08/11/06 || 02.0 || ----

> 09/07/06 3-month injection of Lupron

> 10/03/06 || 00.9 || ----

> 11/16/06 aborted ADT (and chemo)

> 05/22/07 || 01.8 || ----

> 06/01/07 started testosterone replacement

> 06/29/07 || 04.8 || ----

> 08/14/07 || 07.2 || ----

> 10/23/07 || 16.8 || 2.75

> 11/27/07 || 18.2 || 2.62

> 01/02/08 || 19.4 || 2.55

> 01/24/08 || 25.0 || 2.15

> 02/12/08 started taking Avodart to control DHT

> 03/11/08 || 20.9 || 2.50

> 04/30/08 stopped taking Avodart

> 06/10/08 || 23.0 || 2.45

> 07/22/08 || 31.3 || 2.07

>

> My PSADT three months before my diagnosis with PCa (on 3/29/06) was

> 2.14 and it is now 2.07. I have not yet arrested the growth of PCa in

> my body. It continues to advance at essentially the same rate.

>

> The 2 1/2 months on Avodart complicates the picture further, because

> Avodart lowers PSA without necessarily having any effect on PCa as

> such, much like ADT and estrogenic therapy (such as Prostasol). My

> focus is on getting rid of my cancer, not on reducing my PSA per se.

> At the same time, I obviously want to see my PSA declining and my

> PSADT going up. I remain more or less at the starting point in this

> struggle. Two years and four months have passed and the rate of PSA

> increase remains more or less what it was when I started.

>

> I need the remaining test results in hand to make a proper assessment

> of where to go from here. For the time being, I have decided to add

> Sutherlandia OPC to my own protocol -- along with Essiac Tea, IP-6,

> Flax Hull Lignans, and Laetrile maintenance therapy to see what

> happens to my PSA and PSADT numbers. I also plan to continue my

> gradual inclusion of the Budwig Protocol, as I reach my goals in terms

> of weight loss.

>

> Duane Christensen

>

> Dx 6/06 @ 68 | bPSA 13.9, bPSADT 2.14, Gl 3+3 | ADT (5 mns) + chemo (2

> mns) aborted 11/16/06 | Protocel 19 mns (11/1/06-6/14/08), Laetrile

> (fr 1/11/08), w/ Essiac Tea, IP-6 & Flax Hull Lignans (fr 6/14/08) and

> Sutherlandia OPC (fr 7/25/08)

>