The END of the vegetarian argument on this forum

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I completely respect the ethical decisions that come into play for

some who chose to go Vegan. What I do not respect is their sometimes

strident fanaticism to try to convert the rest of us by laying guilt

trips on us about being " animal killers " when eating meat has been a

natural human diet for 2.5 million years.

 

There are studies out there that support just about anything one

wishes to find to support their views. There are also studies that

imply some basic intelligence and feelings in plants. We breathe in

micro-organisms in our air and eat them on our food. Where do we draw

the line? Are we to become breatherians?

 

We are at the top of the food chain and we are omnivores. We should

of course be good shepherds of all the earth, including the animals

and plants. Eating meat is not an addiction, that is just a catch

phrase used by vegetarians who would convert those who do not choose

to follow a vegetarian diet.

 

I understand your views, but eating meat is part of our natural diet

and our heritage. And it is not a subject that I am going to engage

in a prolonged debate about on my forum. So at this point we will

just have to agree to disagree, although our true disagreement is minor.

 

Thanks for your understanding,

 

 

 

 

 

oleander soup , " Tammatha " <tammatha wrote:

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> " The China Study " is much more compelling than any website. It is

factual research done by unbiased individuals for ten years. Many

people have a difficult time ending animal eating, it is an addiction.

It is not easy for most to make such a significant change. Yes, as I

have been saying it has to be done correctly, just like any diet.

Vegan people aren't the only ones who need to be balanced about what

they eat, everyone does. Just because you aren't vegan doesn't mean

you eat correctly. On another note completely. Veganism isn't always

just about health, for many it is about caring for the earth and

having compassion for our fellow beings as well.

>

> Tammatha

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> > oleander soup

> Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:52 PM

> Vegetarianisn

>

>

> I have researched diet and nutrition extensively and I also know a

> number or vegetarians. Yes, you can get all the protein you need from

> a vegan diet and you can even get all the amino acids and enzymes too

> - but you HAVE to know what you are doing. Too many vegetarians, for

> reasons of ethics or perceived health benefits, simply eat all fruits

> and vegetables and thing that is healthy. You have to eat the right

> mix and do so consistently for it to be healthy.

>

> If a person wants to be a vegetarian, that is fine - but please,

> educate yourself and be willing to eat the right varieties of

> vegetables, even supplementing if necessary.

>

> Some of the most experienced vegans ever - dating back to the 60's -

> put together a site detailing some of the problems and pitfalls with

> going vegan. Many of them stopped. The site is http://beyondveg.com/

>

> At that site, which I recommend anyone considering converting to an

> all vegan diet read, the have a very compelling section that debunks

> the myth of humans being herbivores.

>

> http://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/comp-anat/comp-anat-1a.shtml

>

> Humans are clearly omnivores and meat has been a part of their diet

> for the entire 2.5 million years since genus Homo emerged. In other

> words, our bodies are adapted to include meat and to exclude meat

> entirely, while possible, is not what we are. And I might add that

> the myth about teeth is obvious - during the entire 2.5 million year

> there has not been one fossil of man that included the fangs and

> incisors of a carnivore, and yet there has never been a fossil of a

> non-meat eater found. Of course we do not have fangs and incisors

> like carnivores - we AREN'T CARNIVORES. We ARE omnivores.

>

> From the Natural Vegetarian Resource group itself comes this

statement:

>

> " All the available evidence indicates that the natural human diet is

> omnivorous and would include meat. "

>

> As they point out, humans have a choice and do not HAVE to eat meat,

> but meat is nevertheless a part of a natural human diet.

>

> Part of my research into anti-aging and longevity involved examining

> the diets of the longest lived and the most healthy peoples in the

> world. They ALL eat some meat. Granted that the most healthy ones eat

> only a small amount of meat and a lot of vegetables and fruits, but

> that is just what I recommend: mostly raw vegetables and fruits,

> nuts, seeds, roots, tubors, femented grain, no unfermented soy (which

> far too many vegans consume).

>

> I guess the bottom line is that we can argue this subject until we are

> blue in the face, but I will continue to recommend an almost entirely

> or entirely raw vegetarian diet for actively fighting cancer and a

> diet that includes some meat otherwise.

>

> Live long, live healthy, live happy!

>

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