Vegetarianisn

July 21, 2008

I have researched diet and nutrition extensively and I also know a

number or vegetarians. Yes, you can get all the protein you need from

a vegan diet and you can even get all the amino acids and enzymes too

- but you HAVE to know what you are doing. Too many vegetarians, for

reasons of ethics or perceived health benefits, simply eat all fruits

and vegetables and thing that is healthy. You have to eat the right

mix and do so consistently for it to be healthy.

If a person wants to be a vegetarian, that is fine - but please,

educate yourself and be willing to eat the right varieties of

vegetables, even supplementing if necessary.

Some of the most experienced vegans ever - dating back to the 60's -

put together a site detailing some of the problems and pitfalls with

going vegan. Many of them stopped. The site is http://beyondveg.com/

At that site, which I recommend anyone considering converting to an

all vegan diet read, the have a very compelling section that debunks

the myth of humans being herbivores.

http://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/comp-anat/comp-anat-1a.shtml

Humans are clearly omnivores and meat has been a part of their diet

for the entire 2.5 million years since genus Homo emerged. In other

words, our bodies are adapted to include meat and to exclude meat

entirely, while possible, is not what we are. And I might add that

the myth about teeth is obvious - during the entire 2.5 million year

there has not been one fossil of man that included the fangs and

incisors of a carnivore, and yet there has never been a fossil of a

non-meat eater found. Of course we do not have fangs and incisors

like carnivores - we AREN'T CARNIVORES. We ARE omnivores.

From the Natural Vegetarian Resource group itself comes this statement:

" All the available evidence indicates that the natural human diet is

omnivorous and would include meat. "

As they point out, humans have a choice and do not HAVE to eat meat,

but meat is nevertheless a part of a natural human diet.

Part of my research into anti-aging and longevity involved examining

the diets of the longest lived and the most healthy peoples in the

world. They ALL eat some meat. Granted that the most healthy ones eat

only a small amount of meat and a lot of vegetables and fruits, but

that is just what I recommend: mostly raw vegetables and fruits,

nuts, seeds, roots, tubors, femented grain, no unfermented soy (which

far too many vegans consume).

I guess the bottom line is that we can argue this subject until we are

blue in the face, but I will continue to recommend an almost entirely

or entirely raw vegetarian diet for actively fighting cancer and a

diet that includes some meat otherwise.

Live long, live healthy, live happy!

Tony

July 21, 2008

"The China Study" is much more compelling than any website. It is factual research done by unbiased individuals for ten years. Many people have a difficult time ending animal eating, it is an addiction. It is not easy for most to make such a significant change. Yes, as I have been saying it has to be done correctly, just like any diet. Vegan people aren't the only ones who need to be balanced about what they eat, everyone does. Just because you aren't vegan doesn't mean you eat correctly. On another note completely. Veganism isn't always just about health, for many it is about caring for the earth and having compassion for our fellow beings as well.

Tammatha

-

Tony

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Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:52 PM

Vegetarianisn

I have researched diet and nutrition extensively and I also know anumber or vegetarians. Yes, you can get all the protein you need froma vegan diet and you can even get all the amino acids and enzymes too- but you HAVE to know what you are doing. Too many vegetarians, forreasons of ethics or perceived health benefits, simply eat all fruitsand vegetables and thing that is healthy. You have to eat the rightmix and do so consistently for it to be healthy.If a person wants to be a vegetarian, that is fine - but please,educate yourself and be willing to eat the right varieties ofvegetables, even supplementing if necessary.Some of the most experienced vegans ever - dating back to the 60's -put together a site detailing some of the problems and pitfalls withgoing vegan. Many of them stopped. The site is http://beyondveg.com/At that site, which I recommend anyone considering converting to anall vegan diet read, the have a very compelling section that debunksthe myth of humans being herbivores.http://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/comp-anat/comp-anat-1a.shtmlHumans are clearly omnivores and meat has been a part of their dietfor the entire 2.5 million years since genus Homo emerged. In otherwords, our bodies are adapted to include meat and to exclude meatentirely, while possible, is not what we are. And I might add thatthe myth about teeth is obvious - during the entire 2.5 million yearthere has not been one fossil of man that included the fangs andincisors of a carnivore, and yet there has never been a fossil of anon-meat eater found. Of course we do not have fangs and incisorslike carnivores - we AREN'T CARNIVORES. We ARE omnivores.From the Natural Vegetarian Resource group itself comes this statement:"All the available evidence indicates that the natural human diet isomnivorous and would include meat."As they point out, humans have a choice and do not HAVE to eat meat,but meat is nevertheless a part of a natural human diet.Part of my research into anti-aging and longevity involved examiningthe diets of the longest lived and the most healthy peoples in theworld. They ALL eat some meat. Granted that the most healthy ones eatonly a small amount of meat and a lot of vegetables and fruits, butthat is just what I recommend: mostly raw vegetables and fruits,nuts, seeds, roots, tubors, femented grain, no unfermented soy (whichfar too many vegans consume).I guess the bottom line is that we can argue this subject until we areblue in the face, but I will continue to recommend an almost entirelyor entirely raw vegetarian diet for actively fighting cancer and adiet that includes some meat otherwise.Live long, live healthy, live happy!Tony

July 21, 2008

Tony, I completely agree with you.

Well stated. I think discussing things like this is very profitable

because what we put into our body has a huge effect on whether or not the body

heals.

A vegetarian and mostly raw diet is

always indicated when fighting disease. There are several reasons for

this:

1) It gives the digestive tract a

" rest " since fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, etc. are very easy to

digest and thus the body can focus more of it attention from digestion to

healing. The body has to put a lot of energy into digesting meat.

2) Fruits and vegetables when

eaten correctly provide the body with important nutrients. Fruits and

vegetables contain water, enzymes, oxygen (very important), and nutrients that

the body can easily absorb, transport and utilize IF the digestive tract is

working properly.

3) Fruits and vegetables can be

consumed raw and thus you get the full synergistic benefit. While some do

promote eating meat raw, I don't think this is a good idea considering the

possibilities of parasites and the fact that unless you have butchered the meat

yourself, you never know the circumstances or the handling procedures.

Eating raw assures the full benefit of all of the healing properties.

Steaming is next best and then cooking last. Over-cooking provides a

" dead " result.

People usually feel better on some type

of a vegetarian diet. However, as Tony said, you must know what you are

doing and I have seen even some very knowledgeable people have to stop being

vegetarian because their body was breaking down. There is a lot of

misinformation out there being promoted by very passionate people -- but that

doesn't make it truth in every instance or for everybody.

Even my own dr encouraged me to

" branch-out " a bit after healing from cancer. This was very

difficult for me to do since this is the diet that helped my body to

heal. After a while I realized that eating some organic, free-range meat

now and then actually helped me to feel much better, but this was AFTER

HEALING.

Many vegetarians (those who eat no meat

or dairy) look anorexic and some even have a " bugging " of the eyes

which usually indicates thyroid concerns. They do not even have a healthy

look about them. And some even go to tanning salons so that they will

" look " healthy. Nothing wrong with tanning salons if used

wisely, it's just that they know they don't look healthy so a tan helps with

that health " look. "

There are a lot of people out there that

will lead people down the wrong path in the name of making a buck. And

The China Study, as good of a book that it is (I agree with a lot of it) is not

the FACT or " easy solution " that we may think. It is very easy

to take information and make it say what you want it to say. On another

forum someone gave a great synopsis of the book about how it was not completely

correct, but I didn't save the post. I regret that because what was said

was very good.

" Campbell was able to draw a single

unifying principle: 'People who ate the most animal-based foods got the most

chronic disease. . . . People who ate the most plant-based foods were the

healthiest and tended to avoid chronic disease.'”

People have eaten meat for a long, long

time and have remained healthy. That IS fact. It's only in the last

100 years or so that we have seen health decline so rapidly and there are many

reasons for this.

My grandparents all lived to be in their

90's. They grew up on farms and ate " fresh and unadulterated "

meat, milk, eggs and vegetables grown in gardens. They got plenty of

sunshine and exercise and didn't have negative, visual media such as TV.

Going to the " picture show " was a luxury that not many could

afford. People took time to relax and had good sleeping patterns.

They drank clean water and sugar was a luxury. They took responsibility

for their health and learn how to heal themselves using herbs, etc.

Families took care of one another and often had grandparents living with

them. Just a completely different mind-set than what most people live

today. Certainly they had their stresses and as my Mom used to say

" life back then was not always as easy as the sitcoms portray. "

We have adulterated everything in our

lives that help to provide good health -- food, water, environment, emotions,

mind, etc. We have pasteurized and literally cooked away all the healing

qualities of foods. Then we pre-package these foods into toxic containers that

are lined with chemicals and plastics. And we add toxic preservatives so

that they food can sit on a shelf for long time periods. This is most

likely WHY we see so much disease -- along with the fact that we consume

pharmaceuticals like they are candy. We are killing ourselves in the name

of convenience! Slowly but surely our fruits and vegetables are becoming

adulterated and soon, if Monsanto and Dow have their way, the only type of fruits

and vegetables available will be genetically modified and/or contain

vaccinations or meds. Sound ridiculous? So did GMO foods 50 years

ago. So did needing to purchase clean water! Personally, I think it

is imperative that we teach our children and grandchildren how to grow organic

gardens. Heirloom seeds are another thing that will probably be in short

supply soon.

Tony, I don't think you were being a

grump and there was no need to apologize for telling the truth. I have

seen vegetarians get cancer and I have seen vegetarians who look healthy and a

lot who don't look healthy. So when fighting disease, allowing the body

to rest and focus on healing by eating foods easiest to digest is

imperative. However, once a person is well it doesn't mean that strict

vegetarianism needs to continue as long as one is sensible and eats modest

portions of clean meat and fish. Once a person is healthy and well, it's all

about balance and making sure that what is consumed is clean and pure as

possible.

Be Well

Loretta

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I

have researched diet and nutrition extensively and I also know a

number

or vegetarians. Yes, you can get all the protein you need from

a

vegan diet and you can even get all the amino acids and enzymes too

-

but you HAVE to know what you are doing. Too many vegetarians, for

reasons

of ethics or perceived health benefits, simply eat all fruits

and

vegetables and thing that is healthy. You have to eat the right

mix

and do so consistently for it to be healthy.

If

a person wants to be a vegetarian, that is fine - but please,

educate

yourself and be willing to eat the right varieties of

vegetables,

even supplementing if necessary.

Some

of the most experienced vegans ever - dating back to the 60's -

put

together a site detailing some of the problems and pitfalls with

going

vegan. Many of them stopped. The site is http://beyondveg.com/

At

that site, which I recommend anyone considering converting to an

all

vegan diet read, the have a very compelling section that debunks

the

myth of humans being herbivores.

http://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/comp-anat/comp-anat-1a.shtml

Humans

are clearly omnivores and meat has been a part of their diet

for

the entire 2.5 million years since genus Homo emerged. In other

words,

our bodies are adapted to include meat and to exclude meat

entirely,

while possible, is not what we are. And I might add that

the

myth about teeth is obvious - during the entire 2.5 million year

there

has not been one fossil of man that included the fangs and

incisors

of a carnivore, and yet there has never been a fossil of a

non-meat

eater found. Of course we do not have fangs and incisors

like

carnivores - we AREN'T CARNIVORES. We ARE omnivores.

From

the Natural Vegetarian Resource group itself comes this statement:

" All

the available evidence indicates that the natural human diet is

omnivorous

and would include meat. "

As

they point out, humans have a choice and do not HAVE to eat meat,

but

meat is nevertheless a part of a natural human diet.

Part

of my research into anti-aging and longevity involved examining

the

diets of the longest lived and the most healthy peoples in the

world.

They ALL eat some meat. Granted that the most healthy ones eat

only

a small amount of meat and a lot of vegetables and fruits, but

that

is just what I recommend: mostly raw vegetables and fruits,

nuts,

seeds, roots, tubors, femented grain, no unfermented soy (which

far

too many vegans consume).

I

guess the bottom line is that we can argue this subject until we are

blue

in the face, but I will continue to recommend an almost entirely

or

entirely raw vegetarian diet for actively fighting cancer and a

diet

that includes some meat otherwise.

Live

long, live healthy, live happy!

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July 21, 2008

We all have our own experiences in life and opinions but there is no denying 20 yr scientific research this is not misinformation or passion. It cannot be denied the ramifications either of what eating animals is doing to humans and what it is doing to the planet. Why "branch- out" when something was so benefical to the body and environment, not to mention the animal. Compassion for others and our earth is in turn healthy (mentally & physically) for us all as well.

Tammatha

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Dr. Loretta Lanphier

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Monday, July 21, 2008 10:35 AM

RE: Vegetarianisn

Tony, I completely agree with you. Well stated. I think discussing things like this is very profitable because what we put into our body has a huge effect on whether or not the body heals.

A vegetarian and mostly raw diet is always indicated when fighting disease. There are several reasons for this:

1) It gives the digestive tract a "rest" since fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, etc. are very easy to digest and thus the body can focus more of it attention from digestion to healing. The body has to put a lot of energy into digesting meat.

2) Fruits and vegetables when eaten correctly provide the body with important nutrients. Fruits and vegetables contain water, enzymes, oxygen (very important), and nutrients that the body can easily absorb, transport and utilize IF the digestive tract is working properly.

3) Fruits and vegetables can be consumed raw and thus you get the full synergistic benefit. While some do promote eating meat raw, I don't think this is a good idea considering the possibilities of parasites and the fact that unless you have butchered the meat yourself, you never know the circumstances or the handling procedures. Eating raw assures the full benefit of all of the healing properties. Steaming is next best and then cooking last. Over-cooking provides a "dead" result.

People usually feel better on some type of a vegetarian diet. However, as Tony said, you must know what you are doing and I have seen even some very knowledgeable people have to stop being vegetarian because their body was breaking down. There is a lot of misinformation out there being promoted by very passionate people -- but that doesn't make it truth in every instance or for everybody.

Even my own dr encouraged me to "branch-out" a bit after healing from cancer. This was very difficult for me to do since this is the diet that helped my body to heal. After a while I realized that eating some organic, free-range meat now and then actually helped me to feel much better, but this was AFTER HEALING.

Many vegetarians (those who eat no meat or dairy) look anorexic and some even have a "bugging" of the eyes which usually indicates thyroid concerns. They do not even have a healthy look about them. And some even go to tanning salons so that they will "look" healthy. Nothing wrong with tanning salons if used wisely, it's just that they know they don't look healthy so a tan helps with that health "look."

There are a lot of people out there that will lead people down the wrong path in the name of making a buck. And The China Study, as good of a book that it is (I agree with a lot of it) is not the FACT or "easy solution" that we may think. It is very easy to take information and make it say what you want it to say. On another forum someone gave a great synopsis of the book about how it was not completely correct, but I didn't save the post. I regret that because what was said was very good.

"Campbell was able to draw a single unifying principle: 'People who ate the most animal-based foods got the most chronic disease. . . . People who ate the most plant-based foods were the healthiest and tended to avoid chronic disease.'”

People have eaten meat for a long, long time and have remained healthy. That IS fact. It's only in the last 100 years or so that we have seen health decline so rapidly and there are many reasons for this.

My grandparents all lived to be in their 90's. They grew up on farms and ate "fresh and unadulterated" meat, milk, eggs and vegetables grown in gardens. They got plenty of sunshine and exercise and didn't have negative, visual media such as TV. Going to the "picture show" was a luxury that not many could afford. People took time to relax and had good sleeping patterns. They drank clean water and sugar was a luxury. They took responsibility for their health and learn how to heal themselves using herbs, etc. Families took care of one another and often had grandparents living with them. Just a completely different mind-set than what most people live today. Certainly they had their stresses and as my Mom used to say "life back then was not always as easy as the sitcoms portray."

We have adulterated everything in our lives that help to provide good health -- food, water, environment, emotions, mind, etc. We have pasteurized and literally cooked away all the healing qualities of foods. Then we pre-package these foods into toxic containers that are lined with chemicals and plastics. And we add toxic preservatives so that they food can sit on a shelf for long time periods. This is most likely WHY we see so much disease -- along with the fact that we consume pharmaceuticals like they are candy. We are killing ourselves in the name of convenience! Slowly but surely our fruits and vegetables are becoming adulterated and soon, if Monsanto and Dow have their way, the only type of fruits and vegetables available will be genetically modified and/or contain vaccinations or meds. Sound ridiculous? So did GMO foods 50 years ago. So did needing to purchase clean water! Personally, I think it is imperative that we teach our children and grandchildren how to grow organic gardens. Heirloom seeds are another thing that will probably be in short supply soon.

Tony, I don't think you were being a grump and there was no need to apologize for telling the truth. I have seen vegetarians get cancer and I have seen vegetarians who look healthy and a lot who don't look healthy. So when fighting disease, allowing the body to rest and focus on healing by eating foods easiest to digest is imperative. However, once a person is well it doesn't mean that strict vegetarianism needs to continue as long as one is sensible and eats modest portions of clean meat and fish. Once a person is healthy and well, it's all about balance and making sure that what is consumed is clean and pure as possible.