Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Hello everyone! I am new here. This is my first posting. I have a very special cat, Max, who has been fighting fibrosarcoma for almost 3 yrs now. In between 3 surgeries to remove re-growth, I've been giving Max many anticancer supplements. I believe these have resulted in a slowing of the re-growth. Now that the vet says he will not be able to remove the most recent re-growth, I am once again looking for new tactics. I made Oleander soup using a recipe given me by an herb specialist. The prep of the oleander was the same-- boiled for 4 hrs, strained, etc. His recipe also included powdered bloodroot, fresh aloe and dried chapparal leaves. I put the " tonic " in empty capsules so he will take it and I'm slowly increasing the dose to prevent side effects. (When I tried to increase too fast he vomited for 8hrs and was lethargic.) My questions at this point are: Has anyone heard anything about using OS on this cancer in cats? and.....if there is any other advice to be given I'd surely appreciate it! It's been a long haul with my dear, sweet little friend. I sure would like to kick this monster and see him live a few more years. BTW- he appears to be the picture of health at this point....I'm not prolonging the life of a suffering animal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Welcome to the group. Marc and Tony should be by to answer your questions with regard to dosage and the extra ingredients in the oleander soup. We also have quite a few members giving their " furkids " oleander and I am sure they will be delighted to share what they are doing and the progress being made. You may want to consider giving Max colloidal silver. It is a miracle healer for animals and Inositol-IP-6. I wish you and Max the very best and we are so glad you have joined us. Hugs, oleander soup , " crazymomof464 " <bahorn2 wrote: > > Hello everyone! > I am new here. This is my first posting. I have a very special cat, > Max, who has been fighting fibrosarcoma for almost 3 yrs now. In > between 3 surgeries to remove re-growth, I've been giving Max many > anticancer supplements. I believe these have resulted in a slowing of > the re-growth. Now that the vet says he will not be able to remove > the most recent re-growth, I am once again looking for new tactics. > I made Oleander soup using a recipe given me by an herb specialist. > The prep of the oleander was the same-- boiled for 4 hrs, strained, > etc. His recipe also included powdered bloodroot, fresh aloe and dried > chapparal leaves. I put the " tonic " in empty capsules so he will take > it and I'm slowly increasing the dose to prevent side effects. (When > I tried to increase too fast he vomited for 8hrs and was lethargic.) > > My questions at this point are: > Has anyone heard anything about using OS on this cancer in cats? > and.....if there is any other advice to be given I'd surely appreciate it! > > It's been a long haul with my dear, sweet little friend. I sure would > like to kick this monster and see him live a few more years. > > BTW- he appears to be the picture of health at this point....I'm not > prolonging the life of a suffering animal. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 As long as your cat tolerates the mix it sounds like a good one. I suspect the upset stomach comes more from the other herbs. No, I do not know of any history of oleander use with cats. Until Cody the furkid came along, I only knew that it had been successful with dogs from second hand sources, albeit good ones. I would add colloidal silver and inositol/IP6 to the regimen if it were me. I would also make sure that your cat gets good, wholesome sources of food. A vegetarian diet is NOT healthy for dogs or cats, and particularly not cats - who need high amounts of animal protein. I would also advise removing any sources of contamination in your cat's environment - including any herbicides, pesticides or other chemicals. And I would make sure that your cat got high quality water - not from the tap and especially not from a garden hose. oleander soup , " crazymomof464 " <bahorn2 wrote: > > Hello everyone! > I am new here. This is my first posting. I have a very special cat, > Max, who has been fighting fibrosarcoma for almost 3 yrs now. In > between 3 surgeries to remove re-growth, I've been giving Max many > anticancer supplements. I believe these have resulted in a slowing of > the re-growth. Now that the vet says he will not be able to remove > the most recent re-growth, I am once again looking for new tactics. > I made Oleander soup using a recipe given me by an herb specialist. > The prep of the oleander was the same-- boiled for 4 hrs, strained, > etc. His recipe also included powdered bloodroot, fresh aloe and dried > chapparal leaves. I put the " tonic " in empty capsules so he will take > it and I'm slowly increasing the dose to prevent side effects. (When > I tried to increase too fast he vomited for 8hrs and was lethargic.) > > My questions at this point are: > Has anyone heard anything about using OS on this cancer in cats? > and.....if there is any other advice to be given I'd surely appreciate it! > > It's been a long haul with my dear, sweet little friend. I sure would > like to kick this monster and see him live a few more years. > > BTW- he appears to be the picture of health at this point....I'm not > prolonging the life of a suffering animal. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 I have just come across very interesting information with regard to feline fibrosarcoma. Apparently, some fibrosarcomas are the result of vaccinations. Let me post the links I have found. http://www.cathealth.com/FSA.htm http://www.thepetcenter.com/sur/sar.html Keep in mind, these are mainstream sites, but I thought this information was actually.... startling. Hugs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Excellent information and I don't even have a cat. --- On Thu, 7/17/08, May <luellamay129 wrote: May <luellamay129 Re: Cat with fibrosarcomaoleander soup Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 8:51 PM I have just come across very interesting information with regard tofeline fibrosarcoma. Apparently, some fibrosarcomas are the result ofvaccinations.Let me post the links I have found.http://www.cathealt h.com/FSA. htmhttp://www.thepetce nter.com/ sur/sar.htmlKeep in mind, these are mainstream sites, but I thought this informationwas actually.... startling.Hugs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Take the bloodroot out of the mix! This is most likely the cause of the vomiting. I belonged to the Black Salve list and bloodroot was only used in the salve, not taken internally because of this.--Nancy and Gemma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Yes, it's a big red flag and constant fight for natural health practitioners with pets. We know that vaccine sites often develop cancers and yet we have to jump through massive hoops to legally avoid them all and not be considered "neglectful" of our pets. My shabrador, Flash, got a terribly fast growing cancer on her back left leg, EXACTLY ON the site of the rabies vaccine she had received barely a month earlier. I gave her a bath once a month and noticed a half-golf ball sized lump during the bath time, which had not been there barely a month earlier. This was 8 years ago and I remember crying and crying and crying over her grim prognosis for weeks until someone told me to go see this holistic vet a few cities away and I did. I stopped going to church and kept asking why and why and why. That meeting with the veterinarian changed my life, my lifestyle, my diet, my values, my beliefs, my priorities. The vet opened the door and my eyes and my ears and my mind to something I had only periferally been aware of - the power of, sabotage and persecution of, and richness of holistic, natural health. 7 years later, I got diagnosed with cancer, despite the massive life and diet change I had made over the years - and I finally got my answer to my 8-year old question "why did Flash get cancer?" She got cancer so I would learn, get ready and be prepared for my own diagnosis. I feel like I was years ahead of an average cancer patient, once the shock wore off. I knew what needed to be done, what I needed to learn, where the sources and resources were. Ooops, sorry! I didn't mean to make this a long reply...I guess I needed to say out loud what I've been thinking and thanking heavens for every single day since my diagnosis.... For my dog and her sacrifice. She made it through cancer, by the way - thanks to the amazing Dr. Penny. And passed away 6 years later from kidney failure at 17 years of age. Angel Re: Cat with fibrosarcoma Posted by: " May" luellamay129 luellamay129 Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:51 pm (PDT) I have just come across very interesting information with regard tofeline fibrosarcoma. Apparently, some fibrosarcomas are the result ofvaccinations.Let me post the links I have found.http://www.cathealth.com/FSA.htmhttp://www.thepetcenter.com/sur/sar.htmlKeep in mind, these are mainstream sites, but I thought this informationwas actually.... startling.Hugs, Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Thanks to all for your replies! Tony, I've been giving Max IP6 for about 2 yrs now. I give 2 caps/day on an empty stomach. He also gets Transfer Factor (immune booster). How much colloidal silver would you recommend for a 9 pound cat? I'm trying to stay hopeful and calm about this, but the more the tumor grows the more fearful I become. How long does it generally take to see results from OS-- or is it different in each case? oleander soup , " Tony " wrote: > > As long as your cat tolerates the mix it sounds like a good one. I > suspect the upset stomach comes more from the other herbs. > > No, I do not know of any history of oleander use with cats. Until Cody > the furkid came along, I only knew that it had been successful with > dogs from second hand sources, albeit good ones. > > I would add colloidal silver and inositol/IP6 to the regimen if it > were me. I would also make sure that your cat gets good, wholesome > sources of food. A vegetarian diet is NOT healthy for dogs or cats, > and particularly not cats - who need high amounts of animal protein. > > I would also advise removing any sources of contamination in your > cat's environment - including any herbicides, pesticides or other > chemicals. And I would make sure that your cat got high quality water > - not from the tap and especially not from a garden hose. > > > > oleander soup , " crazymomof464 " <bahorn2@> wrote: > > > > Hello everyone! > > I am new here. This is my first posting. I have a very special cat, > > Max, who has been fighting fibrosarcoma for almost 3 yrs now. In > > between 3 surgeries to remove re-growth, I've been giving Max many > > anticancer supplements. I believe these have resulted in a slowing of > > the re-growth. Now that the vet says he will not be able to remove > > the most recent re-growth, I am once again looking for new tactics. > > I made Oleander soup using a recipe given me by an herb specialist. > > The prep of the oleander was the same-- boiled for 4 hrs, strained, > > etc. His recipe also included powdered bloodroot, fresh aloe and dried > > chapparal leaves. I put the " tonic " in empty capsules so he will take > > it and I'm slowly increasing the dose to prevent side effects. (When > > I tried to increase too fast he vomited for 8hrs and was lethargic.) > > > > My questions at this point are: > > Has anyone heard anything about using OS on this cancer in cats? > > and.....if there is any other advice to be given I'd surely > appreciate it! > > > > It's been a long haul with my dear, sweet little friend. I sure would > > like to kick this monster and see him live a few more years. > > > > BTW- he appears to be the picture of health at this point....I'm not > > prolonging the life of a suffering animal. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Amen!Thank you for sharing that. Love Maracuja "toreadpeoplehealthinfo Yes, it's a big red flag and constant fight for natural health practitioners with pets. We know that vaccine sites often develop cancers and yet we have to jump through massive hoops to legally avoid them all and not be considered "neglectful" of our pets. My shabrador, Flash, got a terribly fast growing cancer on her back left leg, EXACTLY ON the site of the rabies vaccine she had received barely a month earlier. I gave her a bath once a month and noticed a half-golf ball sized lump during the bath time, which had not been there barely a month earlier. This was 8 years ago and I remember crying and crying and crying over her grim prognosis for weeks until someone told me to go see this holistic vet a few cities away and I did. I stopped going to church and kept asking why and why and why. That meeting with the veterinarian changed my life, my lifestyle, my diet, my values, my beliefs, my priorities. The vet opened the door and my eyes and my ears and my mind to something I had only periferally been aware of - the power of, sabotage and persecution of, and richness of holistic, natural health. 7 years later, I got diagnosed with cancer, despite the massive life and diet change I had made over the years - and I finally got my answer to my 8-year old question "why did Flash get cancer?" She got cancer so I would learn, get ready and be prepared for my own diagnosis. I feel like I was years ahead of an average cancer patient, once the shock wore off. I knew what needed to be done, what I needed to learn, where the sources and resources were. Ooops, sorry! I didn't mean to make this a long reply...I guess I needed to say out loud what I've been thinking and thanking heavens for every single day since my diagnosis... . For my dog and her sacrifice. She made it through cancer, by the way - thanks to the amazing Dr. Penny. And passed away 6 years later from kidney failure at 17 years of age. Angel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 You could give up to an ounce or more a day in the water. As far as oleander, among humans you usually see improvements within 30-60 days, but it can vary widely among cancers and individuals. While oleander may get the upper hand within a couple of months or so, it can also sometimes take many months and even a year or so to completely eliminate the cancer. Unfortunately, nothing, not even oleander is a guarantee or magic bullet. Oleander does come close though, in my experience and research. oleander soup , " crazymomof464 " <bahorn2 wrote: > > > Thanks to all for your replies! Tony, I've been giving Max IP6 for > about 2 yrs now. I give 2 caps/day on an empty stomach. He also gets > Transfer Factor (immune booster). How much colloidal silver would you > recommend for a 9 pound cat? > I'm trying to stay hopeful and calm about this, but the more the tumor > grows the more fearful I become. How long does it generally take to > see results from OS-- or is it different in each case? > > > oleander soup , " Tony " @> wrote: > > > > As long as your cat tolerates the mix it sounds like a good one. I > > suspect the upset stomach comes more from the other herbs. > > > > No, I do not know of any history of oleander use with cats. Until Cody > > the furkid came along, I only knew that it had been successful with > > dogs from second hand sources, albeit good ones. > > > > I would add colloidal silver and inositol/IP6 to the regimen if it > > were me. I would also make sure that your cat gets good, wholesome > > sources of food. A vegetarian diet is NOT healthy for dogs or cats, > > and particularly not cats - who need high amounts of animal protein. > > > > I would also advise removing any sources of contamination in your > > cat's environment - including any herbicides, pesticides or other > > chemicals. And I would make sure that your cat got high quality water > > - not from the tap and especially not from a garden hose. > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " crazymomof464 " <bahorn2@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello everyone! > > > I am new here. This is my first posting. I have a very special cat, > > > Max, who has been fighting fibrosarcoma for almost 3 yrs now. In > > > between 3 surgeries to remove re-growth, I've been giving Max many > > > anticancer supplements. I believe these have resulted in a slowing of > > > the re-growth. Now that the vet says he will not be able to remove > > > the most recent re-growth, I am once again looking for new tactics. > > > I made Oleander soup using a recipe given me by an herb specialist. > > > The prep of the oleander was the same-- boiled for 4 hrs, strained, > > > etc. His recipe also included powdered bloodroot, fresh aloe and dried > > > chapparal leaves. I put the " tonic " in empty capsules so he will take > > > it and I'm slowly increasing the dose to prevent side effects. (When > > > I tried to increase too fast he vomited for 8hrs and was lethargic.) > > > > > > My questions at this point are: > > > Has anyone heard anything about using OS on this cancer in cats? > > > and.....if there is any other advice to be given I'd surely > > appreciate it! > > > > > > It's been a long haul with my dear, sweet little friend. I sure would > > > like to kick this monster and see him live a few more years. > > > > > > BTW- he appears to be the picture of health at this point....I'm not > > > prolonging the life of a suffering animal. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Angel, thank you for sharing this heartfelt story with us. Hugs, oleander soup , Maracuja <howdurdago wrote: > > Amen! > Thank you for sharing that. > Love Maracuja > ________________________________ > > > " toreadpeoplehealthinfo > > Yes, it's a big red flag and constant fight for natural health practitioners with pets. We know that vaccine sites often develop cancers and yet we have to jump through massive hoops to legally avoid them all and not be considered " neglectful " of our pets. > > My shabrador, Flash, got a terribly fast growing cancer on her back left leg, EXACTLY ON the site of the rabies vaccine she had received barely a month earlier. I gave her a bath once a month and noticed a half-golf ball sized lump during the bath time, which had not been there barely a month earlier. > > This was 8 years ago and I remember crying and crying and crying over her grim prognosis for weeks until someone told me to go see this holistic vet a few cities away and I did. I stopped going to church and kept asking why and why and why. > > That meeting with the veterinarian changed my life, my lifestyle, my diet, my values, my beliefs, my priorities. The vet opened the door and my eyes and my ears and my mind to something I had only periferally been aware of - the power of, sabotage and persecution of, and richness of holistic, natural health. > > 7 years later, I got diagnosed with cancer, despite the massive life and diet change I had made over the years - and I finally got my answer to my 8-year old question " why did Flash get cancer? " > > She got cancer so I would learn, get ready and be prepared for my own diagnosis. I feel like I was years ahead of an average cancer patient, once the shock wore off. I knew what needed to be done, what I needed to learn, where the sources and resources were. > > Ooops, sorry! I didn't mean to make this a long reply...I guess I needed to say out loud what I've been thinking and thanking heavens for every single day since my diagnosis... . For my dog and her sacrifice. > > She made it through cancer, by the way - thanks to the amazing Dr. Penny. And passed away 6 years later from kidney failure at 17 years of age. > > Angel > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 How uplifting it must have been for you to realize how much " ammunition " you had already built up by the time you were diagnosed! To be informed is to be armed and that in itself is empowering! To know that you don't HAVE to rely totally on doctors, but can take steps to help cure yourself gives one a sense of freeness and strength. Can I ask how your dog w/ fibrosarcoma was cured? 17 is a very long life for a dog. I have been in email contact with several persons whose cats were professionally diagnosed w/ this cancer and cured w/ " Cansema " tonic. If the oleander tonic that I'm using now doesn't work I'm thinking about ordering some cansema. I have a reputable source for this. Max was nauseous last night which, according to my herbologist, is a sign that I've reached the maximum dose he can tolerate for now. I will give him a day off and then go back on the tonic tonight at the dose he was on (not increase beyond that) I've read that large doses are not necessary to be effective. Is that your understanding also? I have to keep telling myself, too, that he only weighs 9lbs and will not need anywhere NEAR a human dose! Yes, I learned too late that this cancer can be caused by vaccinations. Knowing this only adds guilt to my grief! Since he LOVES the outdoors (I believed he'd curl up and die if I kept him in) I thought I was doing the right thing by protecting him from these diseases that can be transmitted by other cats/animals outside. Ironically, in 1989 I was aware of the high incidence of bad effects from the pertussis vaccine for humans (which many blindly allowed to be injected into their babies) and did not have my first 2 children vaccinated for that particular vaccine. But I didn't know about the pet vaccines. From lab tests, it's inconclusive as to whether or not Max's cancer is vaccine associated. It appeared a full yr. after his last vaccination. Usually the lump appears at the site sooner. So his may be a randomly occurring form of fibrosarcoma. So glad I found this forum. Most people think I'm a KOOK for trying to help Max through his cancer using herbs! - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Not every rescue organization vaccinates to death. I never did and many of my friends don't either. Breeders vaccinate also. It's just that everyone is so afraid... in every aspect of life especially when you are offering/selling something that is living or mechanical, you worry about it possibly coming back to haunt you or may become a liability, so people over compensate. Lawsuits scare people to vaccinate and do all kind of things that are unnecessary. People worry about the dog getting ill or biting, etc. Like Nonie says we are brainwashed to believe the vaccines are necessary. Everything is about education, research and keeping an open mind. Never follow the sheep. Tammatha - Nonie oleander soup Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:31 PM RE: Re: Cat with fibrosarcoma Thanks for posting, Angel. I stopped vaccinating in 1985. My current dog has a lot of chronic disease thanks to vaccines...made the huge mistake to buy her from a rescue! What a misnomer that is! Rescue to death from toxic poisoning! She does have an exemption now. She will never be vaccinated again.There are a couple of great lists for animals on ..the truth about vaccinations and jstsayno2vacs. It's really amazing any animals survive a trip to the vet, with the vacs, garbage "food' and flea/tick/heartworm pesticides. Vaccines are nothing but a scam and make huge amounts of money through the suffering of our beloved pets. Sorry for the rant, but, the poisoning of animals and brainwashing of their owners, is a major upset for me.Nonie Yes, it's a big red flag and constant fight for natural health practitioners with pets. We know that vaccine sites often develop cancers and yet we have to jump through massive hoops to legally avoid them all and not be considered "neglectful" of our pets. Angel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2008 Report Share Posted July 20, 2008 Hello crazymom, Yes, "uplifting" is a great word for how it felt when I realized what a gift my dog gave me. I'm all alone here in this country. I have no family here and although my circle of influence includes hundreds of people I engage with regularly, awfully quickly after my diagnosis I realized that this circle consists of mainly acquaintances and not friends, which I really naively believed they were! So, getting the diagnosis and in midst of realization that I'm truly alone and can not lean on anyone or hand over over any part of my survival to any one - I also realized that there's no way in hell I would have been able to make it through this sharp-left-turn intelligently, non-hysterically, and "alternatively" if I hadn't already learned how to do it with and for my dog. I'm not exactly sure what cured Flash's cancer. As "our" Tony said on this list - cancer isn't a one-bullet target but rather an all-hands-on-deck type of deal, if you don't mind my mixing of metaphors! And fortunately, the holistic doc whom I serendipitously found for Flash, shared this belief and implemented this approach. We used IP6 in massive doses, we used colloidal silver, we used the budwig protocol, we used blood cleansing, we used graviola, we used acupuncture, we used the zapper, we used maca, we used vitamin C, we used modified essiac, we used alfalfa, iodine, selenium, coq10. Who knows what really knocked it out or if the sheer momentum and synergy of all that we did overwhelmed the cancer into remission. Once her cancer markers went down to normal range, I still continued with some of these protocols out of sheer fear that the cancer would return if I didn't, but it was hard for me to pick which ones to drop and I would continue using most of them by pulsing them on and off every few weeks and at lower doses than during out "offensive." For kitties it's a bit different, if I remember correctly, because their little tiny bodies process some of "our" substances differently, such as herbs and minerals, and vitamins even. It's easy to overdose them and cause damage to their liver and kidneys for some reason, if I remember correctly. I'm not confident enough in my own knowledge to tackle this on my own kitty, if I ever needed to - I would need to get a holistic vet to work with me closely. Yes, you are right, that's my understanding as well - more is not really better, specially with kitties. Absolutely. And as far as being a "kook," if that's someone smart and courageous enough to venture into unknown and controversial territory in search of solutions to a life-threatening problem - then I'm honored to wear that definition and you should be too! Angel Re: Cat with fibrosarcoma Posted by: "crazymomof464" bahorn2 crazymomof464 Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:23 am (PDT) How uplifting it must have been for you to realize how much"ammunition" you had already built up by the time you were diagnosed!To be informed is to be armed and that in itself is empowering! Toknow that you don't HAVE to rely totally on doctors, but can takesteps to help cure yourself gives one a sense of freeness and strength.Can I ask how your dog w/ fibrosarcoma was cured? 17 is a very longlife for a dog. I have been in email contact with several personswhose cats were professionally diagnosed w/ this cancer and cured w/"Cansema" tonic. If the oleander tonic that I'm using now doesn'twork I'm thinking about ordering some cansema. I have a reputablesource for this.Max was nauseous last night which, according to my herbologist, is asign that I've reached the maximum dose he can tolerate for now. Iwill give him a day off and then go back on the tonic tonight at thedose he was on (not increase beyond that) I've read that large doses are not necessary to be effective. Is thatyour understanding also? I have to keep telling myself, too, that heonly weighs 9lbs and will not need anywhere NEAR a human dose!Yes, I learned too late that this cancer can be caused byvaccinations. Knowing this only adds guilt to my grief! Since heLOVES the outdoors (I believed he'd curl up and die if I kept him in)I thought I was doing the right thing by protecting him from thesediseases that can be transmitted by other cats/animals outside. Ironically, in 1989 I was aware of the high incidence of bad effectsfrom the pertussis vaccine for humans (which many blindly allowed tobe injected into their babies) and did not have my first 2 childrenvaccinated for that particular vaccine. But I didn't know about thepet vaccines. From lab tests, it's inconclusive as to whether or notMax's cancer is vaccine associated. It appeared a full yr. after hislast vaccination. Usually the lump appears at the site sooner. Sohis may be a randomly occurring form of fibrosarcoma.So glad I found this forum. Most people think I'm a KOOK for tryingto help Max through his cancer using herbs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 - Thank you for your reply. Just one question: I'm not getting cancer marker tests done on Max-- when your dog's cancer went into remission did the tumor shrink or just stop growing? (I want to know what to expect if the oleander soup starts working.) Max has been on the oleander soup for almost 3 weeks now. I've been able to gradually increase his dose and then divide the dose into 2 seperate dosings. (I put the soup into empty capsules) Now I'm slowly increasing the 2 seperate doses and he hasn't shown side effects. According to my fingers, it doesn't appear that the tumor has grown ---I may be wrong bc it can grow downward and that can't be felt from the surface-- but I have to remain hopeful! Based on what you wrote about using Graviola for your dog and also the fact that Graviola is in Cansema Tonic and I know Cansema has worked on fibrosarcoma, I've decided to buy some graviola extract and add that to his regime. I agree with what you said about the synergy of several things working together to " beat down " the cancer........it's just finding the right combination that will work against the specific cell type of the tumor. I've also upped his dose of IP-6. You wrote:..... " overdose [cats] and cause damage to their liver and kidneys " I was hesitant when I first started him on herbs bc. of this. Since he's been on relatively high amounts of so many herbs and supplements, though, he's had 2 surgeries. Before each surgery he has had liver and kidney function tests and the results were normal, so I think he's been handling what I've been giving him. Thanks again for your reply. I hope some day I can come back here and ask you specifics about the " offensive " period (maintenance period after cancer has been put into remission). My Max is very special-- I've never met a more intelligent, expressive, affectionate, and fun loving cat! Bc. he has such great trust, he seems to understand that I'm trying to help him-- he tolerates all that I've been doing with him (pills, etc) and has never bit, scratched or even growled at me. Take care, Monica --- -- In oleander soup , <toreadpeoplehealthinfo wrote: > > Hello crazymom, > > Yes, " uplifting " is a great word for how it felt when I realized what a gift my dog gave me. I'm all alone here in this country. I have no family here and although my circle of influence includes hundreds of people I engage with regularly, awfully quickly after my diagnosis I realized that this circle consists of mainly acquaintances and not friends, which I really naively believed they were! So, getting the diagnosis and in midst of realization that I'm truly alone and can not lean on anyone or hand over over any part of my survival to any one - I also realized that there's no way in hell I would have been able to make it through this sharp-left-turn intelligently, non-hysterically, and " alternatively " if I hadn't already learned how to do it with and for my dog. > > I'm not exactly sure what cured Flash's cancer. As " our " Tony said on this list - cancer isn't a one-bullet target but rather an all-hands-on-deck type of deal, if you don't mind my mixing of metaphors! > > And fortunately, the holistic doc whom I serendipitously found for Flash, shared this belief and implemented this approach. We used IP6 in massive doses, we used colloidal silver, we used the budwig protocol, we used blood cleansing, we used graviola, we used acupuncture, we used the zapper, we used maca, we used vitamin C, we used modified essiac, we used alfalfa, iodine, selenium, coq10. Who knows what really knocked it out or if the sheer momentum and synergy of all that we did overwhelmed the cancer into remission. Once her cancer markers went down to normal range, I still continued with some of these protocols out of sheer fear that the cancer would return if I didn't, but it was hard for me to pick which ones to drop and I would continue using most of them by pulsing them on and off every few weeks and at lower doses than during out " offensive. " > > For kitties it's a bit different, if I remember correctly, because their little tiny bodies process some of " our " substances differently, such as herbs and minerals, and vitamins even. It's easy to overdose them and cause damage to their liver and kidneys for some reason, if I remember correctly. I'm not confident enough in my own knowledge to tackle this on my own kitty, if I ever needed to - I would need to get a holistic vet to work with me closely. Yes, you are right, that's my understanding as well - more is not really better, specially with kitties. Absolutely. > > And as far as being a " kook, " if that's someone smart and courageous enough to venture into unknown and controversial territory in search of solutions to a life-threatening problem - then I'm honored to wear that definition and you should be too! > > Angel > > > > > Re: Cat with fibrosarcoma > Posted by: " crazymomof464 " bahorn2 crazymomof464 > Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:23 am (PDT) > How uplifting it must have been for you to realize how much > " ammunition " you had already built up by the time you were diagnosed! > To be informed is to be armed and that in itself is empowering! To > know that you don't HAVE to rely totally on doctors, but can take > steps to help cure yourself gives one a sense of freeness and strength. > > Can I ask how your dog w/ fibrosarcoma was cured? 17 is a very long > life for a dog. I have been in email contact with several persons > whose cats were professionally diagnosed w/ this cancer and cured w/ > " Cansema " tonic. If the oleander tonic that I'm using now doesn't > work I'm thinking about ordering some cansema. I have a reputable > source for this. > Max was nauseous last night which, according to my herbologist, is a > sign that I've reached the maximum dose he can tolerate for now. I > will give him a day off and then go back on the tonic tonight at the > dose he was on (not increase beyond that) > I've read that large doses are not necessary to be effective. Is that > your understanding also? I have to keep telling myself, too, that he > only weighs 9lbs and will not need anywhere NEAR a human dose! > > Yes, I learned too late that this cancer can be caused by > vaccinations. Knowing this only adds guilt to my grief! Since he > LOVES the outdoors (I believed he'd curl up and die if I kept him in) > I thought I was doing the right thing by protecting him from these > diseases that can be transmitted by other cats/animals outside. > Ironically, in 1989 I was aware of the high incidence of bad effects > from the pertussis vaccine for humans (which many blindly allowed to > be injected into their babies) and did not have my first 2 children > vaccinated for that particular vaccine. But I didn't know about the > pet vaccines. From lab tests, it's inconclusive as to whether or not > Max's cancer is vaccine associated. It appeared a full yr. after his > last vaccination. Usually the lump appears at the site sooner. So > his may be a randomly occurring form of fibrosarcoma. > > So glad I found this forum. Most people think I'm a KOOK for trying > to help Max through his cancer using herbs! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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