Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 I agree completely. Dogs are not meant to be herbivores even if some can do so and apparently be healthy. Neither are people for that matter. We are omnivores and have been for eons - though an all raw vegan diet for a short period while fighting cancer is a good one. In the long run though, 90% or more of raw food vegans do not know what they are doing and end up with health problems due to inadequate intake of vital nutrients. oleander soup , " Tammatha " <tammatha wrote: > > I agree with Marc. Dogs should eat raw meats, some fruits & veggies. Cats only need meat they are strictly carnivorous. Neither does well with grain. It is why you hear about so many cats dying of renal failure. Their poor kidneys are working so hard to digest the dried up kibble they are being fed. Kibble kills our pets. They need the enzymes in the raw food just as we do. Sure we domesticated them but it doesn't mean their natural needs have changed because of it. Cooked food is dead...which is why there is so much illness and disease in humans & now in our pets. > > Tammatha > - > Marc > oleander soup > Wednesday, July 16, 2008 6:37 AM > Re: Re: Herxheimer Reaction/Oleander/Marc > > > > Bonnie & Cody, > > The suggestion to cut down on animal proteins is only applicable to human beings. Dogs have a different digestive system and they can metabolize animal proteins better than humans. However, it is still not advisable to give them only cooked meat because the natural enzymes that break down the meat are destroyed in the cooking. One reason why domestic animals are getting typical human diseases are that they are not eating their natural foods. They often share our unhealthy eating habits. > > Marc Swanepoel > > - > evian793 > oleander soup > Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:28 PM > Re: Re: Herxheimer Reaction/Oleander/Marc > > > > Marc, > > I see one of the things you suggested was to cut back on meats, proteins, however when I receive the oleander for Cody he always gets meat daily which is high in protein. Should I be worried about this, I do know grains and carbs are not good for a furkid with cancer. I know you were speaking about people mostly but now I wonder about Cody's diet..... > > Thanks, > > Bonnie & Codyboy > > > > > > ---------- > Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 I don't agree that 90% end up with health issues that is pretty steep. I'm sure some do but then people that eat cooked food and animals products also have many health issues and are malnourished as well. It is about the human knowledge not the diet no matter what the food intake is. Tammatha - Tony oleander soup Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:26 PM Re: Herxheimer Reaction/Oleander/Marc I agree completely. Dogs are not meant to be herbivores even if somecan do so and apparently be healthy.Neither are people for that matter. We are omnivores and have beenfor eons - though an all raw vegan diet for a short period whilefighting cancer is a good one. In the long run though, 90% or more ofraw food vegans do not know what they are doing and end up withhealth problems due to inadequate intake of vital nutrients. Tonyoleander soup , "Tammatha" <tammatha wrote:>> I agree with Marc. Dogs should eat raw meats, some fruits & veggies.Cats only need meat they are strictly carnivorous. Neither does wellwith grain. It is why you hear about so many cats dying of renalfailure. Their poor kidneys are working so hard to digest the dried upkibble they are being fed. Kibble kills our pets. They need theenzymes in the raw food just as we do. Sure we domesticated them butit doesn't mean their natural needs have changed because of it. Cookedfood is dead...which is why there is so much illness and disease inhumans & now in our pets.> > Tammatha> - > Marc > oleander soup > Wednesday, July 16, 2008 6:37 AM> Re: Re: Herxheimer Reaction/Oleander/Marc> > > > Bonnie & Cody,> > The suggestion to cut down on animal proteins is only applicableto human beings. Dogs have a different digestive system and they canmetabolize animal proteins better than humans. However, it is stillnot advisable to give them only cooked meat because the naturalenzymes that break down the meat are destroyed in the cooking. Onereason why domestic animals are getting typical human diseases arethat they are not eating their natural foods. They often share ourunhealthy eating habits.> > Marc Swanepoel> > - > evian793 > oleander soup > Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:28 PM> Re: Re: Herxheimer Reaction/Oleander/Marc> > > > Marc,> > I see one of the things you suggested was to cut back on meats,proteins, however when I receive the oleander for Cody he always getsmeat daily which is high in protein. Should I be worried about this,I do know grains and carbs are not good for a furkid with cancer. Iknow you were speaking about people mostly but now I wonder aboutCody's diet.....> > Thanks,> > Bonnie & Codyboy> > > > > >-------------------------> Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live musicscene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com!> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 No, it is about furnishing the body with good sources of all the vital nutrients, including healthy fats, enzymes, vitamins, minerals and trace minerals that a body needs for optimum health. It is certainly possible with a vegan or raw vegan diet, but you really have to know what you are doing and use proper supplementation or else you will ultimately end up with health problems. Like those who strictly follow the Atkins diet long term, you may look healthy, and even feel healthy, but health problems are developing slowly but surely . . . UNLESS you really know what you are doing and supply all the needs for an optimum healthy body and immune system. The large majority of natural health authorities will tell you the exact same information. And I might point out that the longest lived peoples on earth are those who consume a diet that is mostly raw and vegan but that also includes at least some meat. oleander soup , " Tammatha " <tammatha wrote: > > I don't agree that 90% end up with health issues that is pretty steep. I'm sure some do but then people that eat cooked food and animals products also have many health issues and are malnourished as well. It is about the human knowledge not the diet no matter what the food intake is. > > Tammatha > - > > oleander soup > Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:26 PM > Re: Herxheimer Reaction/Oleander/Marc > > > I agree completely. Dogs are not meant to be herbivores even if some > can do so and apparently be healthy. > > Neither are people for that matter. We are omnivores and have been > for eons - though an all raw vegan diet for a short period while > fighting cancer is a good one. In the long run though, 90% or more of > raw food vegans do not know what they are doing and end up with > health problems due to inadequate intake of vital nutrients. > > > > oleander soup , " Tammatha " <tammatha@> wrote: > > > > I agree with Marc. Dogs should eat raw meats, some fruits & veggies. > Cats only need meat they are strictly carnivorous. Neither does well > with grain. It is why you hear about so many cats dying of renal > failure. Their poor kidneys are working so hard to digest the dried up > kibble they are being fed. Kibble kills our pets. They need the > enzymes in the raw food just as we do. Sure we domesticated them but > it doesn't mean their natural needs have changed because of it. Cooked > food is dead...which is why there is so much illness and disease in > humans & now in our pets. > > > > Tammatha > > - > > Marc > > oleander soup > > Wednesday, July 16, 2008 6:37 AM > > Re: Re: Herxheimer Reaction/Oleander/Marc > > > > > > > > Bonnie & Cody, > > > > The suggestion to cut down on animal proteins is only applicable > to human beings. Dogs have a different digestive system and they can > metabolize animal proteins better than humans. However, it is still > not advisable to give them only cooked meat because the natural > enzymes that break down the meat are destroyed in the cooking. One > reason why domestic animals are getting typical human diseases are > that they are not eating their natural foods. They often share our > unhealthy eating habits. > > > > Marc Swanepoel > > > > - > > evian793@ > > oleander soup > > Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:28 PM > > Re: Re: Herxheimer Reaction/Oleander/Marc > > > > > > > > Marc, > > > > I see one of the things you suggested was to cut back on meats, > proteins, however when I receive the oleander for Cody he always gets > meat daily which is high in protein. Should I be worried about this, > I do know grains and carbs are not good for a furkid with cancer. I > know you were speaking about people mostly but now I wonder about > Cody's diet..... > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bonnie & Codyboy > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music > scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Everything about health is always better when knowing what you are doing of course that is agreed. It is not that anything is wrong with the raw vegan diet, it is that there are not many that know much about it. I don't believe that we are meant to eat meat. We are not built to handle it systemically. It is very acidic and hard to digest due to our much longer intestines than cats & dogs among many other things. Gabriel Cousen's expresses great concern as well as others the great harm that meat imposes. If someone wants to eat it because they like it that is another thing, but for health reasons there isn't benefit. Tammatha - Tony oleander soup Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:06 PM Re: Herxheimer Reaction/Oleander/Marc No, it is about furnishing the body with good sources of all the vitalnutrients, including healthy fats, enzymes, vitamins, minerals andtrace minerals that a body needs for optimum health. It is certainlypossible with a vegan or raw vegan diet, but you really have to knowwhat you are doing and use proper supplementation or else you willultimately end up with health problems. Like those who strictlyfollow the Atkins diet long term, you may look healthy, and even feelhealthy, but health problems are developing slowly but surely . . .UNLESS you really know what you are doing and supply all the needs foran optimum healthy body and immune system.The large majority of natural health authorities will tell you theexact same information. And I might point out that the longest livedpeoples on earth are those who consume a diet that is mostly raw andvegan but that also includes at least some meat.Tonyoleander soup , "Tammatha" <tammatha wrote:>> I don't agree that 90% end up with health issues that is prettysteep. I'm sure some do but then people that eat cooked food andanimals products also have many health issues and are malnourished aswell. It is about the human knowledge not the diet no matter what thefood intake is. > > Tammatha> - > Tony > oleander soup > Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:26 PM> Re: Herxheimer Reaction/Oleander/Marc> > > I agree completely. Dogs are not meant to be herbivores even if some> can do so and apparently be healthy.> > Neither are people for that matter. We are omnivores and have been> for eons - though an all raw vegan diet for a short period while> fighting cancer is a good one. In the long run though, 90% or more of> raw food vegans do not know what they are doing and end up with> health problems due to inadequate intake of vital nutrients. > > Tony> > oleander soup , "Tammatha" <tammatha@> wrote:> >> > I agree with Marc. Dogs should eat raw meats, some fruits & veggies.> Cats only need meat they are strictly carnivorous. Neither does well> with grain. It is why you hear about so many cats dying of renal> failure. Their poor kidneys are working so hard to digest the dried up> kibble they are being fed. Kibble kills our pets. They need the> enzymes in the raw food just as we do. Sure we domesticated them but> it doesn't mean their natural needs have changed because of it. Cooked> food is dead...which is why there is so much illness and disease in> humans & now in our pets.> > > > Tammatha> > - > > Marc > > oleander soup > > Wednesday, July 16, 2008 6:37 AM> > Re: Re: Herxheimer Reaction/Oleander/Marc> > > > > > > > Bonnie & Cody,> > > > The suggestion to cut down on animal proteins is only applicable> to human beings. Dogs have a different digestive system and they can> metabolize animal proteins better than humans. However, it is still> not advisable to give them only cooked meat because the natural> enzymes that break down the meat are destroyed in the cooking. One> reason why domestic animals are getting typical human diseases are> that they are not eating their natural foods. They often share our> unhealthy eating habits.> > > > Marc Swanepoel> > > > - > > evian793@ > > oleander soup > > Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:28 PM> > Re: Re: Herxheimer Reaction/Oleander/Marc> > > > > > > > Marc,> > > > I see one of the things you suggested was to cut back on meats,> proteins, however when I receive the oleander for Cody he always gets> meat daily which is high in protein. Should I be worried about this,> I do know grains and carbs are not good for a furkid with cancer. I> know you were speaking about people mostly but now I wonder about> Cody's diet.....> > > > Thanks,> > > > Bonnie & Codyboy> > > > > > > > > > > >> -------------------------> > Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music> scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com!> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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